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Books as objects.

 
  

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DavidXBrunt
13:39 / 17.09.07
I know there was a wee bit of criticism when a couple of threads started in the comics forum that were about collecting comics rather than the contents. I'm saying that so that if this thread offends I'll understand if it vanishes but there are a couple of book related topics I'd find interesting to hear opinions on, though I won't start both threads at once.

Basically I couldn't resist starting this topic because I love books. Not just in the sense of I like to read but in the sense that a really well presented book is an object of beauty to me.

I've recently sprung for a collection of Dickens novels and whilst the ones I got are nice hardbacks the ones I wanted - the Heron centennial editions - really appealled to me. Mock leather, nice weight, clean crisp print I suspect that just seeing them on my bookshelf amongst my classics collection would have cheered me up.

Then there's newer books like anything that collects Edginton and D'israelis comics. With those the care and attention that has gone into the compilation clearly shines through with the extra materials that make them such interesting reads. The matt finish of their Dark Horse collections, combined with superp design makes them a pleasure to just hold.

For me the content is, naturally, the most important part of a book but when it's presented well it enhances the pleasure. Look at the new Penguin paperbacks. Lovely covers but thin paper and awful printing. Give me fifty or sixty year old edition of the same book anyday.

And that's before we get into discussions of cover art. When Josh Kirby died there was a quote from Terry Pratchett that went along the lines of "It's sad but nothing will change. They'll be the same books" and I'm shallow enough to think he's wrong. There's a warm eccentricity to the older Discworld book covers that isn't there in the newer books, and that does affect the way they're seen.

Yeah, I know. But so what? Bet I'm not alone, though. Any one else with a love of books as objects wants to share?
 
 
Dusto
14:16 / 17.09.07
The Arion Press edition of Moby Dick is beautiful, with woodcuts by Barry Moser and a font designed just for the book. A wave crashing over the "C" in "Call me Ishmael." I love that book. Alasdair Gray always puts out nice objects. And the hardcover edition of City of Saints & Madmen, by Jeff VanderMeer is really great (there's even a short story written on the dust jacket). I was also extremely pleased with the job that McSweeney's did designing my book. The cover artist is a guy named Josh Cochran (portfolio available at www.joshcochran.net), and his work is amazing in general. But the foil inlay, the jacketless hardcover, the endpapers, the fact that it's actually clothbound... I couldn't be happier with the object itself.
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
14:37 / 17.09.07
Second for Alasdair Grey's books - all beautifully put together, gorgeous typesetting and the author's own illustrations. I'm far from a collector, but I adore older cloth-bound novels from the early part of this century and the last.
 
 
Dusto
15:48 / 17.09.07
Also, William Vollmann handmakes limited editions of his books, and the ones of those I've seen are all pretty cool.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
15:56 / 17.09.07
I am a shameful sucker for the Folio Society, and have far too many Folio Society books for my own good. Which isn't a ghastly overwhelming collection or anything, but given that I'm on a constrained budget, even a few Folio Society editions of things that could be bought as a 99-cent budget paperback feels decadent.

But by GOD do they do good work. My last great splurge was a two-volume set of The Icelandic Sagas, and not only is it a great read, I'm convinced that the Folio editions help make them a great read.

Heavy hardcovers in their own rigid slipcases, sturdily bound and printed on thick, lustrous, not-too-white paper. I stress thick. There's a bit of weight when you turn the page. You can feel yourself making progress. Gorgeous art plates inside, in this case iconic paintings by Simon Noyes.

I'm not shilling for the company or anything, but seriously, I have yet to buy any Society books that don't tangibly add to reading as an aesthetic experience.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:54 / 18.09.07
Absolutely. A nicely designed and well put together book makes a much better read than a shoddy paperback, because someone obviously cared about it. Back in the days when all books were hard-backed and gold-etched and the rest, I feel people were encouraged to take pride in books and literature generally, though I don't know how true that is.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
15:41 / 18.09.07
Whether it's true or not it certainl seems like truth, if you know what I mean.

It's strange that I can look at a row of similar cloth bound books from a hundred years ago without despairing but if I look in Waterstones and see a row of similar looking books I think it shows a lack of imagination.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
16:58 / 18.09.07
In many ways modern books are either over- or under-designed. Novels tend to be covered in crazy fonts and other stuff, whereas academic texts are made to look boring.
 
 
sorenson
19:22 / 18.09.07
Agreed with the love of the well-made book.

But I also love books as objects regardless of their quality. There is something about the musty smell and crumbling pages of an old cheap paperback copy of a book that I love, either found in an op-shop or one I've had since a child, that brings me an enormous amount of comfort and pleasure. I also love the sheer presence of books - for me, a house without walls of bookshelves, regardless of the quality of the content or presentation of the books within, is not really a home. In fact, I think I prefer bookshelves with a crazy mix of shapes and sizes and colours to the more uniform look of a row of well-bound hardcovers.

And after years of working in bookshops I can guarantee that publishing houses put a lot of effort into making sure that consumers can judge books by their covers!
 
 
Dusto
21:22 / 18.09.07
Yeah, I love any book. I can't bring myself to write in books (which set me apart a bit from my fellow English grad students). And it bugs me how beat up my books can get when I lug them around in my back pack. I would probably go so far as to say that I fetishize books. Probably because I was raised in a house with almost no books in it.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
18:10 / 19.09.07
One of those stories that I don't remember myself, but my mom likes to tell people to embarrass me: apparently when I was six or so, my first-grade teacher would read to the class every day. On the first day of school she pulled out a book, read a few pages, and then proceeded to mark where she stopped by dog-earing the page. I, having been raised on a steady diet of bibles and library books, flipped out and gave her a stern talking-to, ending in her solemnly promising to use bookmarks from then on.

Which she did.
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
21:03 / 19.09.07
A friend of mine works for the Folio Society. She says they're a bunch of (lovely) paper and book fetishists.

Great when you do something you're passionate about, isn't it?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
15:32 / 30.09.07
Did anyone else lust after The Glass Books of The Dream Eaters on the basis of the cover? I completely lusted. Then I gave in. Now I own a shiny blue book with a slightly fetish feel to it.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
16:47 / 30.09.07


I was also extremely pleased with the job that McSweeney's did designing my book.

My favourite book as object has to be You Shall Know our Velocity. It's just classic.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:09 / 01.10.07
Nick, yes! Everytime I went to a bookshop I ended up reading part of it on the basis of the cover but I never could justify buying it.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
12:03 / 01.10.07
It's... well, maybe it's worth it. I am enjoying the book, but I feel there should be more. I want it to be lusher, sexier, darker, scarier, funnier... but then, I feel that about most classics, too. I mean, Jeez, why are there no killer robots in Christmas Carol?
 
 
Dusto
15:13 / 01.10.07
A friend of mine has started cutting up her large books into more portable chunks. I was physically revulsed the first time I saw her pull a hunk of pages out of her bag.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
17:50 / 01.10.07
A friend of mine has started cutting up her large books into more portable chunks. I was physically revulsed the first time I saw her pull a hunk of pages out of her bag.

I won't lend my books in case friends break the spines, let alone hack them up. My fiance's mother mocks me about this, like I'm some kind of book loving Rain Man.

Also, so that all my posts in this thread are about You Shall Know Our Velocity, doesn't the main character do this to a Winston Churchill biography?
 
 
Ava Banana
18:07 / 01.10.07
Why would someone do such a thing? I think I'd cry if I saw that. Years ago I lent a book to a friend who had a thing for munching on paper and when she returned it, it looked like it had been nibbled by rats because she'd torn off the corners and eaten them. I think that was the day I learned that you really do see a red mist when extremely cross.
 
 
Dusto
18:20 / 01.10.07
My friend started doing this because she knows an older woman with arthritis who does this, because she (the older woman) can't get her hands around the spine of a book. But my friend just wanted something lighter to carry on the subway.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
18:47 / 01.10.07
Your friend is a bad person and should be made to do the same with her favourite clothes.
 
 
Twice
19:09 / 01.10.07
I won't lend my books in case friends break the spines

I find this equally hard to take. An old book in pristine condition seems curiously wasteful. I think, if you saw my bookshelf (the floor) you might feel a bit sick.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
11:49 / 02.10.07
I used to have a girlfriend who would knacker my books on the grounds that 'I wasn't respecting her if she wasn't allowed to read them'. Occasionally I still find a book that has been knacked by her and feel ill. But that's just thinking about the relationship.

She destroyed my pristine Sandman collection and was unrepentant and refused to learn how to hold a book. When I argued that destroying my property wasn't showing me respect she...actually, that particular story is pretty disturbing.

The nadir was when she asked to borrow a book and then hurled it at my head with force enough to break the plaster on the wall because I hadn't warned her about the word Lobster being amongst the many thousands in the particular short story she wanted to read.

The woman I live with, love completley, hold dearer to me than even Tharg the Mighty, treats her books like red haired strep-kids but mine like a beloved first born. Which, when alls said and done, is about right.
 
 
Twice
12:40 / 02.10.07
...treats her books like red haired strep-kids but mine like a beloved first born. Which, when alls said and done, is about right.

Oh yes, that sounds an ideal approach. From my end, though, a book is as much a valid and valuable abject just by its having been (ab)used. For instance, some of my most treasured books are those in which I scribbled at school: not just the wise notes dictated by teacher, but the inanities, momentary crushes and splinters of teenaged angst which turn that book into a part of me. Also, I treasure oter peoples' jottings and notes in margins and within the text body. I thrill to see, in pencil, someone's added apostrophe or, even better, some claim underlined twice or thrice and "NO!" scrawled angrily across the margin. This, to me, adds to the book and gives it history. I love to see a battered and well read book. It's been round the block; it's done its job, it has been a book. The equally treasured tome, spotless, upright and uncreased seems almost unfair on the book: like keeping a thoroughbred in a stable.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
10:15 / 08.10.07
So... in the case of Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norell... who bought black and who bought white, and why?
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
15:50 / 08.10.07
*Hangs head in shame*

I brought both. And the three edition paperback.

My name is Jawsus and I have a problem.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
09:52 / 09.10.07
However if you've now decided that you only need one hardback and want to sell...
 
 
teleute
14:59 / 09.10.07
She destroyed my pristine Sandman collection and was unrepentant and refused to learn how to hold a book

That sentance sent shivers down my spine. If someone did that to any of my Sandman stuff I'd break their fingers. With a mallet. I think the presentation of The Wake in graphic novel form (hardback, 1st) is quite possibly one of the most beautiful books I own. I'm also very fond of Alice in Sunderland by Brian Talbot. It was pure pleasure reading that book, not just for the content.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:04 / 09.10.07
Dusto: My friend started doing this because she knows an older woman with arthritis who does this, because she (the older woman) can't get her hands around the spine of a book. But my friend just wanted something lighter to carry on the subway.


Nick: Your friend is a bad person and should be made to do the same with her favourite clothes.

...And into the land of crazy we go. Seeing as Dusto's friend has presumably done this to her own copies of books, rather than anybody else's, I think she should only cut up her favourite clothes if she finds that beneficial for using public transport as well. Some people do cut up their own clothes of course, for any number of perfectly good reasons, and there are also people who are appalled by this - I don't see the difference.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
10:01 / 10.10.07
Uh, Petey? You do realise that there was a slightly jokey tone to the conversation? And even if you didn't, you're picking me up on the clothes thing while teleute is wielding a mallet back there?

For the sake of clarity, I don't believe Dusto's friend has compromised her moral position by doing this, although I do get a strong tingle of alarm at the sight of a book being deliberately damaged, because it is irretrievably and irrationally linked in my head with book-burning in various unhappy moments around the world. I know, theoretically, that books - even very nice ones - are mass-produced objects whose value is derived from the pattern, not the presence, except in cases of great craftsmanship and antiquity, where considerations of uniqueness and history might apply - such as the Magna Carta or the original Shakespeares. I just have a hard time not thinking of them as physical incarnations of knowledge and emotion.

Can I redirect the panel to the discussion of books as unbelievable covetable objects? In a completely non-thinky way?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:05 / 10.10.07
Oh, the mallet thing is clearly well into the land of crazy, indeed a freehold has been purchased there. teleute is clearly to be mentally filed under M for MENTALLIST. I was just identifying the point at which dubious territory was entered.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
10:30 / 10.10.07
Well if there'd been a Mallet handy I would have been tempted. I know. Mentalist.

Still very angry that someone would do that over a decade later...sigh. I know.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:32 / 10.10.07
Yes, but that's about someone you were in a relationship with damaging your property. Its connection to a discussion about books as object, and even how people choose to treat their own possessions, is illusory.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:58 / 10.10.07
Barbelith: You're never more than two metres away from an imaginary lady having her fingers broken.

I'm with Nick - not so much on the clothes front, but on the disproportionate reverence I place on books as against other mass-produced items of about the same value - like a T-shirt, say, or a copy of a computer game. I don't know if that's because of the associations with book-burning or whether I was just taught to respect and grew up with books in a way I didn't with clothes or Doom. However, the aesthetic qualities of the book are less important than the practical qualities - portability definitely being one of those. I'd hesitate to cut a book up - not least because of the logistical hassle of keeping the pages together - but if books were sold as, say, a wallet or hard case containg however many 100-page sections, each slim-bound individually, that would be great.

Aesthetically or as objects, I do really like the colour-coded paper-covered Penguin softbacks from the olden days, although they get damp something chronic. I wish I'd lived in a time when one's bookcases could be solid blocks of colour.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
12:47 / 10.10.07
I noticed Penguin had brought out a selection of recent titles in the classic colour coded style and I was sorely tempte to purchase a few, What a carve up! being the most tempting.

There is something about that design that really appeals to me. There's a small section of Penguin books hidden away on a low shelf behind the vicars desk in Dads Army which I always thought was a very clever, telling detail.
 
  

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