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Banning of users

 
  

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Tom Coates
14:11 / 13.09.07
Cal's in town and he's agreed to do a couple of jobs for us, and I asked him to attack the issue of banning to start off with. He *may* be prepared to do some other stuff around the place, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Moderators will now see an edit user link next to people's posts. They can go into that and propose a ban if they want. They'll need another eight moderators or admins to agree, but two negative votes will stop the process dead in its track. In emergencies, Admins now have the power to ban or unban people on a whim, but if I find out people have done this without bloody good reason, I'll throw an enormous wobbly and shout at everyone before getting rid of the power completely.

I expect people to go through decent processes around this stuff. If someone starts a banning motion and you as a moderator do not think it has got enough exposure, then it's your responsibility to veto it and start a thread about it. Could I ask moderators to NOT VETO moves to ban that REFLECT THE GENERAL WILL OF THE BOARD, except—of course—on major points of principle that you're prepared to defend.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:13 / 13.09.07
Thank you, Tom (and Cal). The lack of a banning function's been the main stumbling block, really. It's much appreciated.
 
 
Tom Coates
14:14 / 13.09.07
Also, I've asked Cal to add in a feature so that if someone has made a mistake in their post that needs minor editing, the edit won't need to be checked by mods if they change it within five minutes. My hope is that this will get rid of a lot of trivial moderation actions that people just approve without reading, and helps people take the job more seriously.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:18 / 13.09.07
This has potential - but can we now talk about who should be moderating, if the power to enact or prevent a ban is part of the remit again?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:21 / 13.09.07
That seems fair. Think it's something we can thrash out between us and then present Tom with a final list so he doesn't have to keep updating one at a time?
 
 
Tom Coates
14:24 / 13.09.07
That would be very helpful, thanks. Let's start off by getting rid of people who are not on the board very much as mods. If you guys could come to an agreement on a list of user numbers that you want me to remove from moderation (find out a user number by hovering over their user name) and send it to me, I'll sort that out straight away and then we can start talking about who should replace them.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:24 / 13.09.07
Cool. I think new thread, probably - if we can take out the people who are no longer on Barbelith, that will give us an idea of how many active moderators we have, and thus how much of a quorum 8 is...
 
 
electric monk
14:26 / 13.09.07
Ha! Just noticed this. Sounds like a step in the right direction to me.

I'm getting a "There was an error processing your request: You don't have the necessary permissions to perform this function." when I cllick the link. Has this been rolled out for all mods?
 
 
jentacular dreams
14:28 / 13.09.07
I get the same.
 
 
jentacular dreams
14:29 / 13.09.07
From the link it also seems to be trying to home in on the post as well as the user.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:31 / 13.09.07
You won't be here long enough to find out, pardner.

*Click*
*Click*
*Click*

Bugger.

I'm getting it too - I imagine Cal hasn't turned it on yet.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:32 / 13.09.07
He appears to be testing the post-editing function at the moment.
 
 
Spaniel
14:40 / 13.09.07
What is?

New functionality?

Banning functionality?

These are crazy times.
 
 
Tom Coates
14:45 / 13.09.07
What particular functionality is this error message the result of. What are you trying to do?
 
 
Tom Coates
14:45 / 13.09.07
Also EVERYONE SAY THANK YOU TO CAL.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:45 / 13.09.07
It's the edit user function. The five-minute moderation grace period works - Ijust tried it.
 
 
cal
14:46 / 13.09.07
oops - try now?
 
 
electric monk
14:50 / 13.09.07
Yes, I'm able to see the "Moderate User" screen now

Thanks very much for doing this, Cal. It is truly appreciated.
 
 
jentacular dreams
14:50 / 13.09.07
Seems to work, though I stopped short of banning myself. Are there any old/test suits hanging about?

How about Epop?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:51 / 13.09.07
Ban Ganesh!
 
 
Tom Coates
14:53 / 13.09.07
We'll have no random lynchings now you have the power, please...

{sigh}
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:59 / 13.09.07
Alas I don't have the power
 
 
jentacular dreams
14:59 / 13.09.07
Both are no longer here. Not so much random lynchings as desecration of graves.

Try thinking of them as cadavers....
 
 
electric monk
15:03 / 13.09.07
Mice, please stop.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:04 / 13.09.07
How, then, would we know that they have been banned? No, this requires fresh meat.

I'm bumping the Topics of Concern, which is where non-technical questions about this new functionality should go, I think.

Oh, and thanks, Cal!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:10 / 13.09.07
Thanks Cal!
 
 
semioticrobotic
15:23 / 13.09.07
Incredible, Cal. Thank you so much.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
15:24 / 13.09.07
Thanks, Cal!
 
 
Olulabelle
15:24 / 13.09.07
Has anyone got a random suit that they created somewhere long ago? If so, you could ban that to check out the process. Or get Tom to make a suit especially for banning.
 
 
semioticrobotic
15:27 / 13.09.07
Am I reading this correctly? We now have the capacity to edit our own posts within five minutes of having posted them? How does one do this?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:29 / 13.09.07
One clicks "edit post".
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
15:34 / 13.09.07
Thanks Cal and Tom, super-heartening to see tools being put in place that will seriously contribute to the long-term viability of the board. Top work!
 
 
semioticrobotic
15:38 / 13.09.07
When I click "Edit Post" I see the same screen I always do.

Update: Just modified my own post. Neat-o!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:39 / 13.09.07
*Incoherent squeals of astonished joy*
 
 
Saint Keggers
15:44 / 13.09.07
Nice to see.
Its as if Cal went to the near-barbcorpse*, yelled "Clear!" and thumped its heart back into action.

*cause, you see, barbelith is dying!

Well done Cal.
 
  

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