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The Wire Season 1: Crime and Punishment

 
  

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Not in the Face
09:05 / 11.09.07
By unrealistic I meant that it seemed that this was his 'schitck'. That was the first impression I got from him - although I already knew I really liked the Wire I was still prepared for it to be less good than it is and to rely on stuff like that as a way of dodging characterisation. Perhaps because of the poor quality of a lot of the TV cop shows which do that, giving a character an oddity and using that as 'human interest'. As with most things in the Wire, as the series develops the viewer is forced to change their opinions and Lester no less than anyone.

Yeah, I'd agree about the mythic quality of the Towers. I think its worth noting in terms of the Wire as a social commentary how little attention is given to them - they are literally written off.
 
 
Spaniel
09:28 / 11.09.07
Petey, yes, I was struggling to articulate my thoughts about Lester's character, specifically why he's sometimes a lot less inclined than McNulty to rock the boat despite clearly being motivated by some of the same drives. I used the word cynical when perhaps I should have used experienced or, indeed, "wise".

As I said above, Lester learnt his wisdom the hard way.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
11:27 / 11.09.07
As stated earlier, I find Prez to be one of the most "Hollywood" but also the most satisfying arcs in the whole of Season One.

Part of this is strength of acting -- at the start of the season, I knew Prez, and I hated the character: the talentless yet arrogant fuck-up that projects every failing on the world around him. You know he's going to screw up, and there's a feeling of horrible inevitability around the character, and he's written to push a lot of buttons -- he's a racist, he's an asshole, he's got entitlement thanks to marrying into the Major's family.

But Jim True-Frost does a stellar job of turning Prez around, and the scenes where Prez finally starts to realize that he is good at something are among my favourite in the whole season. By the end of the season, my most-loathed character is one of my favourites, largely due to his puppy-dog eagerness to do something worth doing; this also sets up some crushing disappointment in seasons to come. And even in Prez's best moments, you still get the sense that in the "real world" he'll revert right back to being a fuck-up in half a second if somebody lets him off the leash.

One of the core themes of The Wire is that everyone can shine if they find the right place and time for themselves. Avon, Omar, Bunk and Freamon seem to have found their zones -- they all seem to be doing what they do best by the end of the season, and are reasonably content doing it. McNulty and Stringer take a bit longer to find their respective spaces, D'Angelo finds the space he wants but discovers it's the wrong one, and you can see Bodie growing into it (arguably Bodie follows the same arc as Prez, but on the other side of the fence). Wallace is the poster boy for somebody who could shine, but is never given any chance at all.

Prez is the only happy ending in Season One. There's a slight whiff of cheese about it, but it really appealed to me, and underscores the tragedy of all the characters that never get a second chance at anything or never understand that one is possible in the first place.

Oh, and as a Coen Brothers fan it's trippy to see Buzz the Bellhop in a serious dramatic role. Hey, buddy!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:37 / 11.09.07
Lester's 'resurrection' is also arguably a happy ending: true, his reward is a job working for Rawls, but he's a murder police, as he should be, after years of being buried.

I think that the idea that people need to find the right place and time for themselves is something one sees illustrated in Prez's story and some others, but I don't think The Wire makes optimistic generalisations like "everybody can shine if... etc", and I think trying to apply it to every major character will just result in bad fits and headaches.
 
 
Spaniel
11:45 / 11.09.07
Lester's 'resurrection' is also arguably a happy ending: true, his reward is a job working for Rawls, but he's a murder police, as he should be, after years of being buried.

And the hot girlfriend.
 
 
Spaniel
12:01 / 11.09.07
And even in Prez's best moments, you still get the sense that in the "real world" he'll revert right back to being a fuck-up in half a second if somebody lets him off the leash.

And I think that goes a considerable way to ameliorating the cheese factor. At the end of season 1 I certainly didn't feel that Prez had learnt everything he needed to learn. Sure, he was good in the office, and it was great that he was being given a chance to redeem himself and shine after his appalling fuck-ups, but this was still a guy who I was very unsure about, and, frankly, we weren't given any reason not to be. It took until season 4 before I started to trust that he'd had made some real headway with his issues. And I'm not sure anyone would describe Prez's fate in season 4 as a reward of any sort.
 
 
Spaniel
10:09 / 12.09.07
Out of interest, do we all know about this?

(I've linked to a blog review because it gives you some idea what's actually between the covers)
 
 
Thorn Davis
10:53 / 12.09.07
Boboss, the thread blurb does request that there are no spoilers beyond the end of season 1. I haven't seen season 4 yet and kind of feel that revelations as to whether characters come to a sticky end or not falls in the category of 'spoiler'.
 
 
Spaniel
11:52 / 12.09.07
I can see how you might think it is but what I have written isn't a spoiler. To say more would be.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:37 / 12.09.07
I'd still advise against, Boboss. Saying a character is even in a future season is a spoiler, let alone saying what you think about their status at that point.
 
 
Spaniel
12:41 / 12.09.07
Good point.

It's difficult when you're discussing serialized drama, innit.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
14:15 / 12.09.07
To be fair, I sinned first when I mentioned it back on P. 1, which Boboss was really just following up on. Sorry!
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
03:55 / 18.09.07
Holy crap.

Just finished Season 1. Not sure if it's the best TV show I've ever seen or not. It still needs to wrestle with Deadwood for that. But it certainly replaces Homicide (my all time fave TV show pre-Deadwood) as my favourite crime drama.

I can't really go into a detailed gushing without bringing in spoilers, but wow. Such a vivid and well-realized group of characters, all built in ways I've rarely seen TV characters put together and all dodging your normal character arcs.

Tell me straight. Does it stay that good in later seasons?
 
 
sleazenation
05:41 / 18.09.07
Yes.
 
 
Mug Chum
06:05 / 18.09.07
It gets quite better, in my opinion.

(ps: my favorite shows are still Deadwood and Arrested Development, but I still can't help feeling this show is better -- even if it doesn't fulfill my favorite tastes and interests)
 
 
Spaniel
08:04 / 18.09.07
Definitely gets better.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:22 / 18.09.07
I can't really go into a detailed gushing without bringing in spoilers, but wow.

As the thread summary says, so long as they're just spoilers for season 1, then go right ahead.
 
 
Janean Patience
11:41 / 18.09.07
McNulty’s arc in this season is effectively masked by the needs of the plot. We need someone who’s willing to push further and further and reject all compromise in his desire for justice and, even though we know his reasons are less than pure, that’s forgotten beneath his righteous zeal. Until that wonderful moment where the rug’s pulled out, Kima gets shot, and McNulty’s exposed as a selfish fucker who endangers everyone else’s career and even life because he wants glory. Which we knew all along, but seeing him naked for that moment is still magical, a reveal as good as the end of Clockers.

D’Angelo, on the other hand, we like because he’s our guy. He’s human, he’s compassionate and his disgust with much of what’s done in the name of his uncle’s business makes it easy for the audience to forgive his sins. But he’s worse than McNulty. He’s a bad soldier: he’s a fuck-up. Boasting to the sofa boys about how he killed the girl, projecting his own desire to get out of the game onto Wallace. If he hadn’t, if he’d been harder on Wallace, maybe the kid wouldn’t have caved in, started using, confessed to the police and become a loose end and got shot. D’Angelo wanted him out of the game. But the only way to get out of the game is to die.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
12:54 / 20.09.07
The defining feel of this show for me was that at the start I liked almost none of the characters. None at all, yet by about episode 5 I was totally won over. It's this sort of sympathy by prolonged engagement that feels novelistic (in the way that you don't usually get with prolonged engagement with say, a game, unless it's something like Dreamfall) and it's this novelistic feel that I like about it so much.

That and the fact that I can see the drug dealers much more clearly on the streets now. It's educational!
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
21:13 / 20.09.07
One of the moments that utterly blew me away is when Rawls steps up after Kima gets shot. We see him as this petty beaurocrat for the whole series and then when she goes down, he steps up to the plate. Sure, he's an asshole, and a petty bureaucrat, but he still gets McNulty's back, even though he hates the man.

Bubbs' story arc really tore me, up, though. It one of those bits where I wouldn't have minded a bit more of a "TV" ending, even though I know that what happened to him is the more realistic ending.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:31 / 20.09.07
Oh yeah, I've been thinking for a few days that I owed this thread a post about Bubs, since he's such an amazing character who we've not talked about too much. What I love about Bubs is how he manages to be so warm, so charming, and so instinctively moral, even as he is also clearly someone who will sometimes lie, hustle and steal just to get a fix (through his sister's reaction to him, it's strongly implied we've never even seen Bubs at his worst).

Andre Royo's "Don't tell her, huh?" is one of the most heart-rending deliveries of a heart-rending line ever.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
16:05 / 01.10.07
I just watched Season 1 for the second time, and I have a question. How did Bunk know about "tap-tap-tap"? Wallace stopped short of implicating D when he was being questioned, and it doesn't seem like that would have come from the earlier interrogation of Omar. Sure, Bunk worked the crime scene and knows how the girl was killed, but how did he know about the "tap-tap-tap"?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:31 / 17.10.07
I've just finished watching s.1 on FX, now I'm going to have to buy the series on DVD and watch it again before I can really take part here, so I will just say how much I enjoyed the characterisation, people aren't 'good', they aren't 'bad' and they aren't also that compromised 'grey' that many dramas that get past the first hurdle then fall into, they are just people, so Stringer does evening classes and goes to the market. I was a bit concerned at first with the two fat old cops and the incompetent violent ones and was relieved that those two were written out pretty quickly and the young one flourished and became a good cop when he was mentored by someone who encouraged him in his strengths without patronising him.

There was the slightly awkward thing of showing us Keema out on the town with her partner and friends, after she told her story about why she became a cop I did think 'oh dear, is she going to die at the end of the episode' and I was almost right.

So, McNulty ends the first series going out with the water-police. Are we to assume he foolishly told his C.O. where he didn't want to go?
 
 
Mug Chum
20:20 / 17.10.07
He told it casually to Bunk and to the lovely big guy supervisor (can't remember his name), who - from what I remember - told Rawls thinking he was doing McNulty a favor.
 
 
Spaniel
20:25 / 17.10.07
Lady, as far as I can remember there's a scene where he tells Landsman (sp?) that he dreads The Boat
 
 
Spaniel
20:26 / 17.10.07
Zip, I'm pretty sure Landsman didn't think anything of the sort - he's Rawls' man through and through
 
 
Mug Chum
20:54 / 17.10.07
Might be. I need to watch the first two season again, been a long time now.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:58 / 18.10.07
Jay has complicated loyalties, I think - remember the scene where he gets Rawls to give McNulty another chance, via an appalling story about being unable to concentrate while wanking? It's worth remembering that McNulty in turn continually does things that will make piss Jay off too...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:21 / 18.10.07
Dear all,

Could I ask everyone to watch out for themselves saying things like "and what happens in Season 1 just makes his fate in Season 4 all the more tragic". If it's impossible to talk about Season 1 without talking about Season 4, having seen Season 4, please could you go to the Season 4 thread, where nobody will mind you talking about Season 1. I have just finished Season 1, and am very excited about it, and having already been spoiled by David Goddamn Simon on the audio commentary to "Cleaning Up", I'd really like to avoid further spoilers. If I have to avoid Barbelith to do so, I will, but it would be a bit of a shame.
 
 
Spaniel
09:53 / 18.10.07
Good point about Jay, Petey. He does indeed stick up for McNulty that time.

My impression of Jay is that he's primarily about the chain of command and doing the job the way he's told to. It's about the board, it's about the numbers, it's about his men working cases, it's about being a safe pair of hands, it's about clearances. I could go into more detail but that would involve discussing later seasons - I think it's worth noting, however, that there's no bloody way Jay would be where he is if he wasn't Rawls's man: the idea that Rawls would tolerate any subordination or even much in the way of freethinking from his sergeant is, frankly, ludicrous.
 
 
Mug Chum
20:48 / 18.10.07
I wouldn't exactly say freethinking (not because he is or isn't, but because it entails that sort of discussion). I thought his wanking monolongue showed a nice portrait of how one would go "against" Rawls while continually selling to him they're on the same boat.

And I loved Haus' new name (and loved his addition to The Wire viewers on the board).
 
 
nedrichards is confused
07:28 / 19.10.07
Yes Boboss I think you've got a good point there. Landsman is the epitome of what it means to be good police but still only care about the numbers. Most of the sympathetic police characters are all about the quality of arrests, hitting gangs where it hurts, no unthinking low level rips. Herc and Carver are also of this mind clearly but Landsman is The Man (not least for his omnipresent porn collection, surely a disciplinary offence waiting to happen). And like you there's some stuff around this that needs skating over in this thread but this seems to be the major philosophical tension on the police side (wheras on the drugs side I'd say it's something like 'is violence intrinsic to the game or can you sell drugs without busting heads')
 
 
Spaniel
09:15 / 19.10.07
Well, I don't want to overstate my case. I think Jay is given enough humanity for me to believe that he has a conscience - there are scenes in later seasons that I could use to illustrate my point, but obviously we won't be going there - and that he has concerns over and above that board, it's just that the board clearly has a central place in his working life, and that, as a consequence, he likely cleaves to a rather traditional (chain of command, clearances) policing philosophy.

In light of what I've said above, I wouldn't want to suggest that Landsman doesn't have it in him to go against Rawls, just that I don't see it happening very often. It's made more than apparent that in that unit it's Rawls way or the... er... Boat. Sure, you might be able to manipulate him on occasion but if you want to survive under his command you better not try it very often. Could the show be any clearer about this?
 
 
Mug Chum
09:20 / 19.10.07
Funny, it always strucked me (for no reason really, since the show never says anything) that Rawls had to take McNulty's shit through the years in different variations and more diluted ways.

(damn, it's really hard to talk about the show without going spoilery)
 
 
PatrickMM
02:36 / 30.10.07
I finished watching the first season yesterday and it lived up to the huge hype, if not the best show ever, it's certainly up there. It's such a rich world, and I'm constantly impressed by the ways that Chase is able to tell you exactly who someone is without resorting to obvious exposition.

A large part of that is his willingness to let you drift for a while. At the beginning of the show we're introduced to a huge number of characters, but gradually they're all fleshed out and we understand why they're there. It's not an easy show to watch at first because there are fewer of the obvious narrative hooks tht make it easy to watch. However, I do think the show's difficulty is a bit overstated. It's no network pilot, but give it a couple of episodes and you've got a consistent amount of narrative payoff. In a lot of ways, it's more accessible than the rambling, introspective final season of The Sopranos.

Throughout, I saw a lot of similarities with The Sopranos, notably in the central notion that you can't get out of the game. Once you commit to this life, you become dependent on it, D'Angelo's dream of the witness protection program is the same as Vito's trip to New Hampshire, you want it work, but know it won't. I'm sure there's been a ton of stuff written about the similarities between the two shows, though Wire fans seem to have an almost irrational dislike for The Sopranos, constantly needing to point out that The Wire is better. However, I see a clear connection between the two shows, with each depicting a different stage in the gentrification and social acceptance of criminal activity.

Tony had no choice about a life of crime, but has reached the point where his kids can move on. The Barksdales are on the way there, but haven't quite made it. If Avon had kids, they could probably leave the life, but lower level people like D'Angelo can't. The brilliance of the final scene with him in the prison is the way it equates drugs and family and personal identity. Without the drugs, he ceases to exist. That's why these kids can't do anything else, they were raised to do one thing, and need to excel at it.

But, one of the most interesting threads for me going forward is looking at how Stringer might try to tighten up the family and perhaps make it legitimate, a kind of Godfather II thing. Is that his ambition or does he just want to make more money with drugs? I guess I'll find out soon enough.
 
  

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