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The Lacanian Thing

 
 
Wanderer
20:11 / 01.09.07
As part of my coursework for the fall, I'll be sitting in on a doctoral level seminar which begins with Lacan and moves to Deleuze. If people are interested in reading along with me, I'd both enjoy and benefit from other people's take on these bodies of thought. I thought it might be best to stick to the Lacanian end of things for now and if people are interested later on, we could move to Deleuze, potentially in another thread (or merely amend the discussion of Deleuze/Deleuze & Guattari found here). I realize people have constraints on their time which don't enable them to read a mountain of books (I'm actually sort of reading on the side rather than taking or formally auditing the course because of similar constraints), so if people want to pick one text and work through it in the next few months, that's great as well. We're starting with Seminar XI (Four fundamental concepts of psychoanalysis) and a companion anthology of journal articles, followed by the seminar on the Psychoses, Encore, and a book by Zizek (I think Looking Awry, not sure). If people are interested in a more general approach, we could discuss a concept at a time instead of working textually (this might help make the discussion clearer to those inexperienced with Lacan).
 
 
Wanderer
20:14 / 01.09.07
The link in the first post wasn't working. Link: Deleuze & Guattari
 
 
semioticrobotic
23:45 / 01.09.07
Can you post a reading list or a bibliography?
 
 
grant
00:39 / 02.09.07
I'd be interested in seeing how this goes. I only really barely got the hang of the mirror stage, and that in the context of film theory & identity. Limited corner of a corner.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:28 / 02.09.07
I'm on the excellent Looking Awry at this very moment - I could bring up some points from it here if you want. I find it a lot more rewarding to get to Lacan via Zizek than attempting to read pure Lacan. I'd reccomend LA to people like Grant, as I was in a similar position, except with literature instead of film.

So far I'd be ready to talk about "people's desires are about plugging a gap in the symbolic order to stop the Real getting in", "the little bit of the Real that sticks out", and various things to do with the gaze and the Other.

Here's the Wiki page, with lots and lots of stuff to grind through. Aside from the overview, this is not a good introduction, but might serve to find quotes and refs.
 
 
Wanderer
21:10 / 02.09.07
Sorry about the lack of bibliography, I figured the titles I'd listed would be enough. The wiki page has a timeline, with the names of the works, under the first published source. Actually, the more I think about this, the more I think Allecto's approach might be better (and cheaper ITO books). We could start with Looking Awry (amazon Here , UK page Here, or we could go through Reading Lacan, also by Zizek, description of which can be accessed through the pages above (its shorter and, I think, reads more like a collection of articles, not sure, haven't read it yet). If we're still up to discuss at that point, we could pick primary texts from there (I own the complete Ecrits, and could potentially scan some of the shorter of those at some point, as well as extracts from the seminars).
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:43 / 03.09.07
I'm planning to post on some material from Looking Awry tomorrow, should I go ahead?
 
 
Wanderer
15:31 / 03.09.07
Fine with me. As I wasn't originally going to read the book until later this term, I don't actually have it yet, so there might be a bit of lag before I can reply. What specific material were you going to examine? Do you want to go on a chapter basis, or is there some concept you'd like to start with? (input from the other people who expressed interest above would be great too; the more the merrier, even if your experience is minimal, and those of us who have at least skimmed the surface will do our best to clarify).
 
 
alas
17:01 / 03.09.07
I hope you'll do that, Allecto. I very much enjoyed that book and the book I referenced in our old Zizek thread, Everything you always wanted to know about Lacan (but were afraid to ask Hitchcock). I also found Jane Gallop's work on Lacan, Reading Lacan to be really helpful for my comps. But right now all I remember is that she and Zizek did a bang-up job on that whole mirror-stage thing and it all made sense, somehow, back then...
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:36 / 04.09.07
It'll have to be tomorrow now, I'm afraid, as I've left the book in my kitchen. However, this is unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

I'll probably do it chapter-by-chapter. Sometimes I'll copy out a bit of the text and say "Yes, I can see how this works, like for example ..." and sometimes I'll say "This makes no sense at all, can anyone help?"
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:07 / 05.09.07
Right then. I'll quote this bit from the Preface to give you an idea of what the book does:

Walter Benjamin commended as a theoretically productive and subversive procedure the reading of the highest spiritual products of a culture alongside its common, prosaic, worldly products. What he had in mind specifically was a reading of the sublime ideal of the love couple represented in Mozart's Magic Flute together with the definition of marriage found in Immanuel Kant (Mozart's contemporary), a definition that caused much indignation ... Marriage, Kant wrote, is "a contract between two adult persons of the opposite sex on the mutual use of their sex organs." It is something of the same order that has been put to work here ... a reading of the most sublime theoretical motifs of Jacques Lacan together with and through ... contemporary mass culture.

Plus some bits of Shakespeare and Kafka.

So let's look at this section from "A Black Hole in Reality", pg.9:

Richard II proves beyond any doubt that Shakespeare had read Lacan, for the basic problem of the drama is the hystericization of a king, a process whereby the king loses the second, sublime body that makes him a king, is confronted with the void of his subjectivity outside the symbolic mandate-title "king", and is thus forced into a series of theatrical, hysterical outbursts, from self-pity to sarcastic and clownish madness. Our interest is limited, however, to a short dialogue between the Queen and Bushy, the King's servant, at the biginning of act II, scene II. The King has left on an expedition of war, and the queen is filled with presentimentsof evil, with a sorrow whose cause she cannot discern. Bushy attempts to console her by pointing out the illusory, phantomlike nature of her grief:

B: Each substance of a grief hath twenty shadows,
Which show like grief itself, but are not so.
For sorrow's eye, glazed with blinding tears,
Divides one thing entire to many objects;
Like perspectives, which rightly gaz's upon
Show nothing but confusion; ey'd awry
Distinguish form: so your sweet majesty,
Looking awry upon your lord's departure,
Finds shapes of grief more than himself to wail;
Which, look'd on as it is, is nought but shadows
Of what is not. Then, thrice-gracious queen,
More than your lord's departure weep not: more's not seen;
Or if it be, 'tis with false sorrow's eye,
Which for things true weeps things imaginary.

Que: It may be so; but yet my inward soul
Persuades me it is otherwise: howe'er it be,
I cannot but be sad, so heavy sad,
As, though in thinking on no thought I think,
Makes me with heavy nothing faint and shrink.

B: 'Tis nothing but conceit, my gracious lady.

Que: 'Tis nothing less: conceit is still deriv'd
From some forefather grief; mine is not so,
For nothing hath begot my something grief;
Or something hath the nothing that I grieve:
'Tis in reversion that I do possess;
But what it is, that is not yet known; what
I cannot name; 'tis nameless woe, I wot.


Zizek's explanation follows. Needs to be read three times.

By means of the metaphor of anamorphosis , Bushy tries to convince the Queen that her sorrow has no foundation, that its reasons are null. But the crucial point is the way his metaphor splits, redoubles itself, that is, the way Bushy entangles himself in contradiction. First ("sorrow's eye, glazed with blinding tears,/Divides one thing entire to many objects"), he refers to the simple, commonsense opposition between a thing as it is "in itself", in reality, and its "shadows", reflections in our eyes, subjective impressions multiplied by our anxieties and sorrows. When we are worried. a small difficulty assumes giant proportions, the thing appears to us far worse than it really is. The metaphor at work here is that of the a glass surface sharpened, cut in a way that causes it to reflect a multitude of images. Instead of the tiny substance, we see "its twenty shadows."

In the following lines, however, things get complicated. At first sight, it seems that Shakespeare only illustrates the fact that "sorrow's eye ... divides one thing entire to many objects" with a metaphor from the domain of painting ("like perspectives which rightly gaz'd upon show nothing but confusion; ey'd awry distinguish form"), but what he really accomplishes is a radical change of terrain - from the metaphor of a sharpened glass surface, he passes to the metaphor of anamorphosis, the logic of which is quite different: a detail of a picture that "gaz'd rightly," i.e., straightforwardly, appears as a blurred spot, assumes clear, distinguished shapes once we look at it "awry," at an angle.

The lines that apply this metaphor back to the Queen's anxiety and sorrow are thus profoundly ambivalent: "so your sweet majesty, looking awry upon your lord's departure, finds shapes of grief more than himself to wail; which, look'd on as it is, is nought but shadows of what is not." That is to say, if we take the comparison of the Queen's gaze with the anamorphotic gaze literally, we are obliged to state that precisely by "looking awry", i.e., at an angle, she sees the thing in its clear and distinct form, in opposition to the "straightforward" view that sees only an indistinct confusion (and, incidentally, the further development of the drama fully justifies the Queen's most sinister presentiments).

But, of course, Bushy does not "want to say" this, his intention was to say quite the opposite: by means of an imperceptible subrpetion , he returns to the first metaphor (that of a sharpened glass) and "intends to say" that, because her gaze is distorted by sorrow and anxiety, the Queen sees cause for alarm, whereas a closer, matter-of-fact view attests to the fact that there is nothing to her fear.

...If we look at a thing straight on, matter-of-factly, we see it "as it really is", while the gaze puzzled by our desires and anxieties ("looking awry") gives us a distorted, blurred image...


Then we get on to Object Petit A, but for now I thought I'd let the above sink in. What do you think? Does it make sense?
 
 
grant
14:38 / 05.09.07
That sounds simply like an explanation of anamorphosis - I'm a little confused what this has to do with Lacan (but as previously stated, I'm not clear on what Lacan *is* beyond a certain small bit of metaphor).

There's a great Brothers Quay short animating a lecture on anamorphosis.

I'm interested in how the watery eye somehow magically becomes a sharpened glass. What kind of stunt is that? Water isn't glass, although both substances can refract light in peculiar ways.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:52 / 05.09.07
Well Anamorphosis comes into Lacan in a big way - you're seeing "a little bit of the Real that sticks out", that can't be processed into the symbolic order (i.e. into language).
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:57 / 05.09.07
This Holbein is the usual example, by the way:



You have to "look awry" to understand what that skewed bit is (even if everyone now knows that it's a skull, think back to its first unveiling).

You can't know the image of the skull whilst looking straight-on at the rich ambassadors. While you look straght-on at the rich ambassadors you are perturbed by the "thing", the "blot".

The intended meaning of the painting is that as long as you look straight-on at the ambassadors, meet their gaze, exist "in their world" of worldly riches, burgeoning capitalism, etc, you will be blinded to death; when you step out of their world/ontology/ideology you see death for what it is and they seem like an inconsequential blur.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:58 / 05.09.07
Oh, but whilst you're in their world there's still that strange something down there. So you can never fall entirely into the symbolic order, there is always a bit of the Real left over.
 
 
grant
16:47 / 05.09.07
Oh, cool - so Lacan is *into* anamorphosis as a figure of the Real, right?

Just for kicks, here's a synopsis and clips (on the right) of the Quay Brothers short on the subject. You apparently have to be in a British university to access the clips, or just get the DVD. One of their examples is a mural - the anamorphic (anamorphous?) image only becomes clear as you walk through a doorway into the painting.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:26 / 06.09.07
Oh, cool - so Lacan is *into* anamorphosis as a figure of the Real, right?

He certainly seems to be. He considers the blot, as far as I understand, to be "Phallic", because it sticks out. I think there are Anal and Oral figures of the Real as well.
 
  
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