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Kabalistic Correspondences Homework

 
  

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Digital Hermes
17:43 / 03.08.07
It's something I've been meaning to do for a while, but I'm finally getting off my ass and doing it. I'm building a key of mystical correspondences, syncrenizing Dion Fortune and Crowley's books and lists on the subject. I'll also be adding some of my own... (I've been considering trying to map certain Marvel or DC superheroes onto the Tree as an example.)

I'm trying to get a wide variety of views on this, so other than Fortune and Crowley, is there any other books or resources you might point out?

Or anecdotes of similar key-building efforts?

(I've seen the previous topics relating to mapping diverse things to the tree, but didn't see one for general discussion and advice.)
 
 
Aertho
17:48 / 03.08.07
Only superheroes? I was hoping you'd follow the zeitgeist and and assign Bumblebee to Tiferet.
 
 
EvskiG
18:07 / 03.08.07
I'm trying to get a wide variety of views on this, so other than Fortune and Crowley, is there any other books or resources you might point out?

The key one would be The Complete Magician's Tables, essentially an updated and expanded version of 777.

Regardie's Golden Dawn has a nice set of charts, too.
 
 
Digital Hermes
19:21 / 03.08.07
Only superheroes? I was hoping you'd follow the zeitgeist and and assign Bumblebee to Tiferet.

Bumblebee, or Optimus? Optimus I would say is closer to the sacrificed/resurrected god, that which transecend and uplifts everyone else... at least using most of the original marvel comics as continuity... Optimus has died so many times in most of the incarnations we've seen!

(All of this geeking out is tenously connected to Kabalah in that I'm hoping I've remembered where and what Tiferet is...)
 
 
Digital Hermes
19:24 / 03.08.07
Also, thanks for the recommends, Ev G...
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
21:48 / 04.08.07
The sign of Megatron slain

The sign of the false mourning of Starscream

The sign of Unicron and uumm Galactus!

The sign of Galvatron risen!

I am Qlippoth-o-tron!

On a serious note I've recently combined Allen Bennet's correspondences between the King scale of colours and the 12 note chromatic scale. My guitar is covered in individual coloured stickers with each note written on. I'd like to say this is some occult thingummy but it's actually a way to learn where every note lies on the board. I am however looking at R J Stewart's work on music and magick which sounds like the real deal....

On top of which I'm learning every old blues song to do with hoodoo starting with Lightin' Hopkin's Black Cat Bone. I fully plan to do the whole crossroads thing at the right time.

Any advice /actual experience welcome.

Anyone ding anything similar with music and magickal correspondences?
 
 
Sublime Pathos
05:30 / 06.08.07
"The sign of Megatron slain

The sign of the false mourning of Starscream

The sign of Unicron and uumm Galactus!

The sign of Galvatron risen!

I am Qlippoth-o-tron!"

I wish I could tell this joke to someone and they would get it. That would really make me enjoy life.
 
 
Digital Hermes
17:21 / 07.08.07
I think it'd be fascinating to listen to music composed with a kabalistic key scale in mind... I don't know much about the playing or writing of music, but just hearing you try to play the unknowable chords beyond kether might be fascinating. Would one play silence, to imply en soph?
 
 
Aertho
23:12 / 07.08.07
What is the final output you intend to make? I can see a journey of sorts through symphony, using the tone and general theme of each sphere to drive the piece. Still, I'd suggest it not being a linear process, but perhaps an interactive website? I've no clue what you intend to do.

Ein Soph might be silence, but Kether would be all spheres before it, playing in unison, quietly, and from far far away.

Malkuth would be recording realtime and playing back.
 
 
Digital Hermes
01:34 / 08.08.07
My own intent for the correspondences goes into a notion I got from Magick Without Tears, wherein Crowley suggests going on an average walk, like to the corner store, but finding magical correspondances for everything, from the colour of the cars that pass before you, to how many thresholds you cross. I figure that by increasing my general correspondance awareness, I could enhance my general mystical experience of living.
 
 
electric monk
03:59 / 08.08.07
How firm a grasp d'you have on the basic associations, DH? (God name, Hebrew letter/value/meaning, color, number, tarot card, relevant Yetziratic passage, etc.)
 
 
Digital Hermes
14:23 / 08.08.07
I'd say my grasp in tenous at best, electricmonk. I've read a fair amount on the subject, but I haven't bothered to create my own correspondances, or memorize the traditional ones. Which is the purpose of the homework, I figure.

Put another way; I'm fairly confident in my understanding of Qabalah theory, it's use as a metaphor and a symbol set, but I haven't actually dealt with the Tree on a day-to-day, sphere-to-sphere level.
 
 
electric monk
15:29 / 08.08.07
Ah, okay.

You might want to consider, IMO, getting the basic correspondences down first before getting into something like this. I started a similar project a while back, and have had to all but pack it in due to my lack of basic knowledge of the Tree and the Sephira. I found that my kludging stuff onto the Tree felt very...uninformed. Initially, I imagined doing this would help me memorize the basic stuff that I'd avoided and keep me motivated. In fact, the opposite happened. I realized that what I was doing was all surface and no depth, and that dry book research and charting wasn't going to substitute for the hard work of memorizing a few important bits and working with them via meditation, mindfulness, and magic work. A great failure on my part, and one I'm not eager to see repeated by those in my circle.

It's great that you want to work with the Tree in this fashion, but I think in the long run you'll be better served by learning the basic set of correspondences and spending some time with them instead. There's plenty to be learned from the few associations listed in my previous post, and plenty there that will enhance your daily life for the better once you've taken them in and made them yours. They are the groundwork, the foundation for further exploration of the Tree.
 
 
Digital Hermes
15:37 / 08.08.07
That's some sage advice, and a good idea. I guess my next question would be, whose basic structure should I use? I've got Dion Fortune's Mystical Qabalah and 777, as well as Book 4 at home, and then the internet has a panopoly of tables for it as well. Is there such a thing as an agreed-upon consensus for the Qabalah?

Upthread had been mentioned Regardies Golden Dawn, which I've been interested in as well... should I try to bring them all together into one, or is that getting ahead of myself again? Pick one, the one that feels 'right' and then compare the others once I've got a solid base?

Uh, never mind. I guess I just answered myself.

(None of this is to say that others can't still post correspondances here... Feel free to post a link to a sound file of someone playing all the notes from Malkuth to Kether!)
 
 
Papess
16:28 / 08.08.07
Regardie's Golden Dawn might be a big bite (and a big book) to make sense of at first. It is certainly informative, and can help reference all sorts of correspendances. Even in relation to rituals such as LBRP and the Rosy Cross, adding depth to both the rituals and the Otz Chim. However, big, big book. Quite daunting, IMO.

My suggestion would be for the more concise A Garden of Pomegranates. Then the more extensive The Tree of Life. Just to break stuff up a bit. The Qabala is a whole lot of information to digest.
 
 
EvskiG
17:03 / 08.08.07
As a slight digression, why why why do people call the Tree of Life the "Otz Chim"?

The Hebrew words for Tree of Life (עץ חיים) sound nothing like "otz chim."

More like

Eytz (very close to "eights")

Chai-yim (chai- (like chai tea, but with the "ch" like "loch" or the German "ach") + -yim (rhymes with Tim or vim))
 
 
Papess
17:16 / 08.08.07
Hmm, I had meant to change that, Ev. I was wary of that transliteration, myself. Thank you for the clarification.
 
 
Unconditional Love
18:06 / 08.08.07
Hermetic Kabbalah I like this place, especially if approaching from a hermetic angle. Has lots of useful stuff.
 
 
Digital Hermes
17:21 / 16.08.07
In the interests of integrating cyberspace and aether, I thought I would enter correspondances into either a spreadsheet or a database.

Spreadsheets: best for crunching numbers and showing you piles of data at once.

Database: best for taking a ton of data and finding one particular element of it.

Has anyone digitized their Qabalah yet?
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
16:03 / 17.08.07
an interface similar to the Byzant site's Kabbalah might help (although, it's a very basic overview of the relationship between the Tree, the Tarot, Astrology, etc... the site design isn't too bad).

I had initially begun looking at the Kabbalah as a response to my self imposed question, "What do we mean by 'the Tree of Life?'" It was some time to sift through the variations and come upon the Kabbalah. I had used it as a basic structure for a novel I'm writing in perpetuity (a closet novel), and soon my model became more complicated than my story. I have a poster scrawled with notes from several years ago I dredge out once in a while.

In looking at the physical symbol of the tree, 10 Sephiroth and 22 paths, I wondered at Tifereth as the central sphere of the hierarchical tree. As it feels we are shifting from a hierarchical way of looking at things to a rhizomatic way, I thought I'd rotate the tree around Tifereth.

and so this figure emerged:


This creates 20 + 1 sephiroth & 60 paths (I've played with the design of this since, and the number of paths is yet in flux). I haven't assigned any symbolism/meaning to any of it yet, however, the structure around the central sphere suggests the 8 trigrams of the I-Ching, the 20 Glyphs of the Mayan Calendar, the 4 directions.

Don't know if this might help to inform your project by offering a different perspective or simply distract.
 
 
brother george
17:17 / 17.08.07
I think that I've seen this symbol as the symbol engraved in Lon Milo Duquette's Pentacle Disk in the Magical Egypt documentary (the one with Anthony West, etc). Hehe, nice.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
17:34 / 17.08.07
always nice to rediscover something already existant on one's own.

I'll have to take a look for Duquette's documentary.

thx.
 
 
Digital Hermes
18:05 / 17.08.07
As for the symbol, it does seem fascinating, yet also confusing. Now, isn't there essentially a four-level tree anyway? I seem to remember something like that from Dion Fortune, I think. Maybe that could apply here, or something similar. Four kinds of Kether, etc.

The only problem for me, is that without finding any attachment, this symbol doesn't have much use for me... but I'm not abandoning it, so much as I'm trying to figure out how to apply it.

I haven't heard of this documentary; do they explain how Milo uses it?
 
 
Unconditional Love
18:24 / 17.08.07
You could employ the four worlds to the four elements and buy 4 menorah to represent the 7 lower sephirah of each world using colour codes on the candles, each wall of the temple having representations of the 3 upper sephirah of those worlds.(or again candles)

Synchronizing each corresponding world by the lighting of candles and burning of incense while in prayer or meditation.

Or just move one menorah around to different areas.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
21:57 / 17.08.07
the figure for the 4 trees is still hierarchical. The idea was to create a radial geometric figure (well, there wasn't any idea - I just mucked about, then the image caught my attention.)

I'm using the above image to map the numerology associated with time reckoning. It doesn't have any meaning attached to it at present. It's just a series of lines and circles.

in any case, I didn't want to distract from the discussion from the Kabbalah, just wanted to offer a point of contrast.
 
 
Digital Hermes
15:41 / 21.08.07
I don't think you're distracting from the conversation so much as you're presenting something new to consider. I'd be interested to see this same concept applied, with Malkuth as the centre, which makes more sense to me.

(Malkuth as a sort of cosmic spoke, around which a whole set of 4's could spin... elements, Kaballah's own 4 levels, etc.)

Stretching it might add more sephiroth then your current project needs, though...
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
10:39 / 22.08.07
To be honest, I think this sort of mounting of correspondence upon correspondence, endless memorisation of obscure symbolism, valiant efforts to make sense out of and bring together other magician's disparate and often conflicting spins on this material, and admirably creative efforts at coming up with new abstract visual maps to the Tree of Life glyph - isn't necessarily the best way to get to grips with it.

I find it often seems to take you off into an entirely contrived and theoretical headspace that largely just exists on elaborate posters you've made and pinned to your wall, or secret mentalist notebooks that you keep in a drawer and bring out whenever you want to feel a bit magical. It's like there's a strong geek element to western magic, where it's some special hobby that we squirrel away and bring out whenever we want to step into a magical world for a few hours. There's something almost escapist about it, where this barrage of complex symbolism is brought in to replace and, for a few hours, perhaps obliterate the unsatisfying mundanity of your day-to-day life.

There is sometimes a sense among certain magicians that "Malkuth" is the boring stuff, that we've all had enough of, so we need to get away from that and go off and explore all of these mystical realms, eventually - if we're really clever - getting all the way up to Kether and becoming Ipsissimuses (Ipsissimi?), then we'll really have it made, eh. As great a book as it is, I think Alan Moore's 'Promethea', perhaps inadvertently, tends to re-enforce this view of western magic as a magical mystery tour. It can be that. You can tackle it like that and have experiences like that - but ultimately, I think the point of the Tree of Life is that it's about your life. The clue is in the name really.

I've found myself that the best way to understand this material is to look for it in your actual life, and constantly relate it back to nature, your emotions, the processes taking place within you and in the world. Put the books down and go for a walk in nature, try to find Netzach in the world of the senses. Observe the ebb and flow of your fantasy life, your dreams and secrets, and learn something of Yesod. Look at your patterns of aggression, dominance, and severity, and comprehend the nature of Geburah. Allow your correspondences to emerge out of this active engagement with what these symbols actually represent - because, although it's been said, many times, many ways - the map is not the territory.

Malkuth is not the boring, mundane bit of the Tree - it's the whole point of it. The culmination of the whole process. Kether and Malkuth are one pulsation. Here we are in the world. For example, if you are trying to understand, say, Crowley's tables of correspondences - and you are wondering why the Empress card of the Thoth deck has pictures of a mother Pelican and a Sparrow on it, you might want to go and observe and have direct contact with actual pelicans and sparrows to grasp those mysteries. A lot of the time people seem to think that symbolism is just about the idea of a thing, rather than the thing itself. As if Liber Resh deals exclusively with the idea of the Sun and what it means symbolically, and doesn't really relate much to the actual Sun out there in the sky right now. But Nature and Magic are one. If you can learn anything from the diagram of the Tree of Life, it is that GOD, Kether, the Mysteries of the Sephiroth, express themselves and find their perfect fruition in Malkuth, in the Kingdom, in Nature, in the World. Magic is right under our noses all of the time if we have the eyes to see it.
 
 
brother george
14:37 / 22.08.07
Correspondences are only useful in kabbalistic rituals and/or to anchor the experience/knowledge (when and if you receive it) of a sephiroth or a path to a set of symbols. You can also employ them in ritual and ask for instruction.
Collecting them in a notebook like a card collecting hobby is pretty much useless.
After a while you also discover your own on top of the recorded ones.

A good way to start is to do pathworkings and leave a sensible amount in between to moving to the next (about 1 to 2 months). It would be more succesfull if you can find someone who can open the gates for you, but if you are working solo then you don't have much of a choice.

It can be quite of a revelation when you start to experience the Tree in the context of your own life. Knowledge is received and things that previously sounded geeky, mental and dry academic start to really make sense.

All these are "tied" into a set of symbols and can have an endless amount of practical application, talismans, rituals, etc.
 
 
Digital Hermes
15:12 / 22.08.07
That was a great post, Gypsy. I was going to pull something to quote, but all of it seemed to be what I wanted to say, so I'd just point everyone to read the above.

What you're suggesting is my plan. It's the ability to infuse the magical into every breath of life. All this theoretical work is background and repetition around the core concepts of Netzach, Hod, or any other sphere. Going through tables of correspondances is like doing repetitions of a technique, or forms, in martial arts. The eventual point isn't to have a reasoned and planned response to every situation, but to have cultivated instincts. In this case, poetical, magical instincts!

The notion of everything everpresent everywhere, if only we could see it, is a very Gnostic perspective, at least as far as I've been learning, and it appeals to me quite a bit...
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:57 / 22.08.07
Gypsy you seem to be saying that there is a tree of life in every sephirah, which is something i have read.

I think much of this perception of Malkuth comes from the heavy associations of thinking about the material world in certain religious concepts. Examining the material as for example only a place of suffering and misery throws forth the idea that it is some how to be escaped, rather than answers and magic to be sought within it.

Each respective other sephirah also contains a tree of life as does each sephirah in each world if you consider each sephirah to contain a tree.

The value of these note books and posters is in the art and sensory pleasure they give, the accomplishment in producing a piece of art for the senses and mind to engage with. The time and effort gone into finding associations, it should be included in the everyday transactions and associations made, one should not exclude the other but both processes should be inclusive.

Nothing wrong with geeks. Just as a side note, throwing oneself *only* into the senses is another form of escapism, a denial of the totality of human experience which includes all manner of geekery and other weirdness. Not suggesting thats what your saying, just making the point that sensory is not the only way to perceive or experience.
 
 
brother george
17:18 / 22.08.07

All this theoretical work is background and repetition around the core concepts of Netzach, Hod, or any other sphere. Going through tables of correspondances is like doing repetitions of a technique, or forms, in martial arts.

No its not, actual work of ritual using the theory in order to transform it into knowledge (gnosis not intellectual) is what repetition of technique/forms is. Going through tables of correspondences in your head amounts to little or nothing at all.
 
 
Digital Hermes
20:39 / 22.08.07
I wasn't aware that my statements were excluding ritual work, though I find it strange to consider that meditating on any of the sephiroth would amount to 'nothing at all.' Especially since not everyone's process is identical. Part of what Crowley's Magick Without Tears puts forward is the idea of taking the magick of of the pentragram and into the world around you. (Something that some of his own work seems to contradict, mind you, but there you go.)

What rituals do you use, Brother George to make the Tree live for you?
 
 
brother george
06:03 / 23.08.07
All this theoretical work is background and repetition

From this I assumed you were talking about theory. Meditation is not theory, it is practice. Then again, meditation has different meanings for different people.

The type of ritual done does not matter becase pretty much every curriculum and rituals used by ceremonial magic touches the tree in its way. The only way for you to bring the Tree into your life is through limitation and perseverance.
Although if you read about my previous post I mention that pathworkings can be a nice start.

"Meditating" about the sephiroth and its paths is a valid thing of itself but it DOES NOT amount to the whole picture. Categorizing stuff on a diagram does not challenge you, neither introduces you to any initiatory/transformative current.

The "groundwork" of which you speak of is not correspondences, but the gradual purification of the lower self (malkuth/hod/netzatch/yesod) so that it can sustain the light that WILL start opening to you from the higher sephiroth. If you are not ready and cannot sustain it, well, we all know how insuferable "born again" people are.

Of course, this may seem typical High Magic posing and blarbing but to each his own I guess.

Best wishes.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
07:52 / 23.08.07
Gypsy you seem to be saying that there is a tree of life in every sephirah, which is something i have read.

I wasn't saying that at all. My point was that the Tree of Life is about your life that you live and experience every single day, and to understand what these symbols mean in any capacity you have to relate them to your every day experience. The Tree of Life is a map that describes the process of being, and that simple but all-important fact seems to get quite easily lost amidst the table of correspondence, ritual and pathworkings.

just making the point that sensory is not the only way to perceive or experience.

OK then, what do you experience that has no grounding in any of your senses?
 
 
brother george
11:04 / 23.08.07
The Tree of Life is a map that describes the process of being, and that simple but all-important fact seems to get quite easily lost amidst the table of correspondence, ritual and pathworkings.

But the result of doing the rituals and the pathworkings is exactly this! knowledge of the Tree relating to your life!
 
  

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