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Your thoughts on paper, your thoughts on screen - still *your* thoughts?

 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:20 / 20.06.07
Your laptop, your brain? - from Wired:

"Electronic storage devices function as an extension of our own memory," Judge Dean Pregerson wrote. "They are capable of storing our thoughts, ranging from the most whimsical to the most profound. Therefore, government intrusions into the mind -- specifically those that would cause fear or apprehension in a reasonable person -- are no less deserving of Fourth Amendment scrutiny than intrusions that are physical in nature."

Fascinating to me; the laptop as mental prosthesis or extension, rather than as object. Acknowledgement of the close blending of us and our tools even in a hi-tech time?

This connects (for me, at least) to my long-ago pondering of fictional work as a mental prosthesis for exploring worlds.

But - politics/jurisprudence of privacy aside - is it accurate to talk about a laptop in this way? Does the laptop come - over time - to echo the personality of the person using it, or are they too homogenised for that? Would notes in a book not come under the same heading? At what point does a computer become an adjunct to the mind?

And so on.
 
 
Bandini
10:16 / 20.06.07
I read recently that employers have started checking out prospective employees by looking up their Myspace and Facebook pages. This can be a serious problem if you're a bit of an idiot and write stupid stuff on it or overly personal information like this guy,

New York Times

Also, I've never really understood the concept of Murdoch's rights over the content of Myspace. If you write a blog that gets published does Murdoch take a cut?

Apologies if this is a little off topic but if you're computer and the sites that you add to become an add-on brain then does this become part of a collective conscious, who now owns your thoughts and ideas. Myspace/Facebook can seem to be a bit like giving your diary to everyone in the world and trying to encourage them to read it?
 
 
Disco is My Class War
13:05 / 20.06.07
It's interesting that it's the laptop, and not desktop computers, that get talked about when people are trying to trace the convergence of intimacy personalisation and computers. I have been using both recently, and there really is a quantum differene in the way I relate to a laptop. It does feel more 'personal', more intimate: the way I sit, the way I can use it in bed, the portability of the thing, rather than being desk-bound and thus attached to a particular set of bodily practices associated with work.

I think, though, that tis' not just the hardware that's important to talk about here. Or maybe the hardware and software overlap. Firefox, now, with its endless customisation capabilities, or actually pretty much any software that allows the storage of bookmarks, rss feeds, personalised search functions, citeulike, amazon wishlists, del.icio.us.... The more you have all of that stuff stored on your own machine or in your own password-protected site preferences, the less memory you tend to retain. Or maybe people retain memory and memory traces in different ways.
 
 
predius
13:11 / 20.06.07
Apologies if this is a little off topic but if you're computer and the sites that you add to become an add-on brain then does this become part of a collective conscious, who now owns your thoughts and ideas. Myspace/Facebook can seem to be a bit like giving your diary to everyone in the world and trying to encourage them to read it?

The fact that it's online does not remove the fact that you still own it, unless you waive your copyright through MySpace's TOA. They're still MY thoughts, and I'm allowing them to be seen when posting them on Facebook, just as I MIGHT allow the TSA to see my bag if I think it will help. I do not think they should have the RIGHT to actually open it up unless they have reasonable suspicion.
 
 
grant
18:05 / 20.06.07
I often refer to iTunes as my brain. Or "musicbrane".

And iTunes is on the laptop at home, not the desktop.

So yes. I also think of Google often as being something like my memory. Where did I hear that thing....
 
 
sleazenation
18:45 / 20.06.07
Only in as much as anybook ever written exists as a hive mind, surely?
 
 
grant
19:28 / 20.06.07
But the time-scale of the net on broadband is much more analogous to the time-scale of dredging something out of memory. Looking things up in books involves more steps, more physical motion and more time - maybe only a minute or so more, but as a percentage-of-task, it's a huge, long wait.
 
 
astrojax69
01:53 / 22.06.07
daniel dennett discussed this idea of 'extensions of the mind' in his seminal 'consciousness explained' - arguing that we have been using 'mind extenders' for aeons as humans... simple things like diaries are excellent examples. no need for brain space to recall all our appointments and phone no.s when a little book can store them for us. al we need to remember is to look in the book; rather than remember the contents of the book.

the computer analogy is simply an extension of that idea. a good one, but one well discussed and covered before, i think.
 
  
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