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XK, I'm glad that it wasn't your intent to present [your]self as an authority of board policy, but with respect that's not what I called you on in my original post. Rather, I was calling you on the fact that you whipped out, from nowhere and with no consultation, what you in your own words called an agreement (and later a contract) for SJJ to remain a member of the board. You then, again without consultation, proposed to SJJ further clauses to be added to this agreement, which, he has yet to respond to.
My point here is that SJJ volunteered to stop posting in Policy outside this thread, and to put Haus on ignore, after these things were suggested to him by, IIRC, Haus and me respectively. At no point did either of us seek to hold SSJ to an agreement - because, in my case at least, and I suspect in Haus', this is not something I believe or wish I have the power to do.
So no binding agreement or contract exists, except that between SJJ and himself, which is a matter for his own conscience. SJJ is free to act as he wishes, until such a time a ban is enacted by Tom Coates. The decision to ban could, conceivably, be made by Tom Coates as a result of SJJ repeating behaviours that he's agreed with himself to put a stop to, but I don't believe that it's up to any one poster (or, indeed, any subset of posters) to draw up a contract with another which will restrict their freedom on Barbelith. The only 'contract' any poster might be said to agree to here is the one they 'sign' by reading the FAQ section on 'Things that will get you into trouble pretty quickly' when they first join, although whether that act of reading is indeed a 'signiature' is a moot point.
The aspect of your actions I found unhelpful is what seemed to me to be your assumption of the power to draw up a contract with SJJ without his consent, or the consent of your board mates, and then suggest that this contract be used to hold SJJ to account at a later date. To be clear, it's not that I don't think that SJJ might not have benefitted from being reminded, at this stage, of the things he has done that have upset a number of people on this board. Rather, it is that I value Barbelith as a place where every poster is provided with equal freedoms. Nobody here, I believe, should be under contract to behave a certain way, not least because it creates asymmetrical power relations. Please understand that I mention all this not because I'm a card carrying SJJ fan, or because I want to have a pop at you. If it's appeared otherwise, my sincere apologies.
Haus... I didn't feel it necessary to mention that several people have moved for a ban, because to my mind that much was already clear from the thread, which would have already been read in its entirety by any resposible reader before they arrived at my postings. As such I did not, as you suggest, attempt to present, for whatever reason, a narrative where this has not happened. Now, it seems to me that your words for whatever reason might be read as an attempt by you to paint me as a troll apologist, a reading that's perhaps compounded by the rather selective quotation you make from the beginning of the banning thread I started on DeDI. For you and any interested parties, here's a link to that thread. A quick read will, I hope, make clear that I was hardly waving the flag for DeDI.
To repeat: the information that several people wanted SJJ banned was already up-thread, and to reposting it seemed superfluous to me. As such, your statement that
Just because you might not agree with those who have moved that Mathlete should be banned, you do not have the power to redact according to your desired model everything they have said, any more than you would every expression of the idea that he should not if you were of the other party.
is, while factually correct (I indeed do not have the power you mention), not really a valid criticism of my actions. An acknowledgement of this, and an apology, would be nice.
I'm more than happy to 'fess up to the fact that quoting your typo back at you wasn't exactly my most adult moment. Then again, I'm hardly the only poster here who's been tempted to go for the cheap shot. Indeed, your habit of persistently referring to posters you have no particular frienship with by a suit name they've abandoned might be said to be of this order (I wonder, do you call me by my old name because it echoes the way in which you call SJJ by his old name, in an attempt to subtely pair us in the reader's mind?). So, too, might your gag about what you call my desire to reset the Matrix - designed, perhaps, to file me away with those Barbelith undesirables who seek to shatter their fellow board members' reality tunnels, or when cornered close the connectors.
In the interest of harmony (no Discordian, I), I'm happy to apologise for pointing out your typo. To that, I'll add that I've been impressed at the restraint you've shown SJJ. |
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