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PatrickMM
21:25 / 12.06.07
Anyone else catch the first episode? It had the misfortune to air just moments after the already legendary final moments of The Sopranos, I had to take some time to process that so I didn't see the episode until yesterday. But, I like what's there so far. There's a bunch of weird stuff, but it's played in a generally realistic way, with the same kind of quirk as Twin Peaks, and family drama in the tradition of Six Feet Under. I'm not sure where the show is going, but I'll definitely be there for episode two.

And, I know it's early, but any theories on what's the deal with John? Or the levitation? Or the bird?
 
 
Mark Parsons
22:49 / 12.06.07
The promos did nothing for me, but I did watch and was hooked by the Strummer & Mescaleros tune over the credits, then by the show itself. Interesting characters, great cast. I thought that John was the least interesting element, not that he was poorly presented in any way, but rather that I liked everybody else so much he suffered by comparison.

NB: the show is co-created by Kem Nunn, the "inventor" of the surf-noir genre. I read a novel of his ages ago and enjoyed it very much.
 
 
Mug Chum
01:00 / 13.06.07
It already begun?

I'm mostly curious by the fact that it's from David Milch. And reading some of what he has to say, this show might end up being pretty interesting, even if Deadwood died on a sour note.

(It's not always you get to see a metaphysical surf-noir series with prophet aliens from a man who made a western as "Godfather meets high-brow version of Mckenna, Leary, Goswami etc")
 
 
Spaniel
11:30 / 13.06.07
Oooh, sounds good.

Downloady time!
 
 
slagar
18:35 / 13.06.07
i enjoyed the first show. i won't have any theoiries about it until i rewatch it and catch a couple more episodes.

it's interesting the negative reaction, downright hate, the show is getting. the early reviewers panned it because it wasn't easily described in a single sentence. from what i can understnd, the complaints come from the lack of anything happening in the pilot, which i don't quite agree with, but it's odd to me the abscence of something generates disaproval.

i think there's a lot of potential, and with Milch being the writer, i'm expecting there will be a payoff down the line in the series.
 
 
PatrickMM
21:45 / 13.06.07
Here's a pretty interesting interview with Milch where talks about how waves are the only representation we have of the nature of the atoms in the universe, or something like that. Things get a bit sidetracked into jokey land, but it sounds like some big ideas are at play in the series, and I'm eager to see where it all goes.

And Slagar, I'd agree the negative reaction is a bit perplexing. Particularly coming off the insane rage people have for the Sopranos finale, I've got to wonder why people can't enjoy mystery anymore? One or two episodes into a series, it's nice to have potential and intrigue rather than another cliched setup. Now, maybe people are just mad at being burned on glacial shows like Carnivale and Lost, but this show doesn't seem as wrapped up in weird mythology as those did. It's enjoyable on a family drama and the weird stuff is just a bonus. The first episode's sitting really well with me, I'm more intrigued by this show than I have been by a show in a long time.
 
 
Mug Chum
00:13 / 14.06.07
Just saw it.

I liked this 1st episode a lot and I get the feeling I'll love it further on. The intro alone was lovely, and when the couple having sex on the sand was cut to the weird blackscreen with wave and the particle going at it, I freaked a little bit in my body (as well as the final shot). But the thing I loved about Deadwood, for instance, is that no matter how much we were dwelling in the mud and shit, the show was doing it to find the human gold in, it was overall quite life-affirming at it's most dreadful horror, it wasn’t “mature” because it was grim&gritty&filth (I’m looking at you, comic books!), it was mature because it knew how that grim related to the human experience. Now the weirdness wtf-factor that Lost insisted on since the first (successful) wtf from the Polar Bear. JFC’s second levitation scene would be nothing if the human factor from the son, on the relief for being no tumor unexpressed because it’s colliding with the WTF of the moment, the flying relief and the sharing and unifying witnessing of it. The weirdness is only as good if has some proportionate balance with the down-to-earth of human emotional myriad (or even better, levitation is only as good if there are feet on the ground, even if only in winks – something that shows like Lost lost track of by insisting on the intrigue to the point of becoming humanless banal meaningless bluffs).

I feel some relation will be made between the merging and “unifying” oceanic bliss from heroine, levitation, the wave riding peak with fallen heroes and community decay, and -- like Deadwood -- “God” as the dissolution of self and the illusion of the sense of separation, and the notion of community (and family, in any sense of the word) as a singular organism.

I guess since the guy has a history with it, the junkie and it’s thematic environments must be a constant point for Milch he must elaborate on it to himself with his work, but there are also other recurrences from Deadwood (I wouldn’t know about NYPD Blue, didn’t liked it and didn’t watch more than one or two episodes) like the “brain tumor” in relation to taking off (while in Deadwood the tumor was real, with consequences being between the minister no longer feeling the presence and contact with God and having epileptic seizures and mumbling nonsense and religious nonsense, but all with a sense of doubt from the minister if it was God’s way, like with drugs, to make contact, even if through the illusion of), the dead bird (the scene with Johnny in DW), the intricate dynamic in language with John (even if Ellsworth first scene in DW, or one scene alone with Wu hold more fodder than this entire episode) and the signifiers of his instances towards the family and people in general with his totally alieness-outsider but the one with the most vulnerable outgoing inclusive reach (that fitted well thematically with the illegal aliens at the beginning while he sneaked up on Luke Perry without knowing better).

And it’s great seeing Ellsworth again. And fuck yeah, Luiz Guzman! Ed ONeil as an old sweet fart, holy crap (I still can't imagine him as Al Swearegen)...

I think Milch is quite fucking great, but I’m afraid he can sometimes buy into his own bull or sell it a bit too much. I read another interesting thing he said about the waves that I’ll try to find later to post here.
 
 
Mug Chum
04:29 / 15.06.07
Ok, John (FC) Monad... totally Silver Surfer!
 
 
Mug Chum
06:20 / 18.06.07
Jesus Fuckin' Christ, can't find a decent torrent on the 2nd episode... goddamn magic pants.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
17:11 / 18.06.07
Try the Repak listed here: http://www.isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=john+cincinnati
 
 
Mark Parsons
03:16 / 19.06.07
I missed Ep 2. Any comments?
 
 
PatrickMM
04:03 / 19.06.07
I thought it was fantastic, significantly better than episode one, and I already liked that a lot to begin with. Maybe it's just that I'm more into the universe, but it felt less self consciously quirky, the characters were gaining agency and control over their universe, and the ending was exhilirating. Definitely try to see it, this was great and next week's episode looked even better.
 
 
Mug Chum
22:32 / 19.06.07
Thanks for the link, Mongoose.

That was really nice. I didn't figure I could be surprised by something I was already expecting. PatrickMM said it best, it was less self-consiously quirky. And John's routine was funnier. And I'm just glad that if they were to play drama on the kid's condition in that vein to play with further developments, they already got it out of the way quick.

Cunningham's epileptic condition seems to tap on Milch's tiny obsession with St. Paul (Deadwood was supposed to be in Rome with Paul as one of the characters, but since HBO had "Rome" in development... DW's minister had the seizures with divine visions and uttering St. Paul's verses). And that shot on the dark room 24 with the light out of the peephole was really nice.
(And probably coincidental, but the dead bird in DW was in the same episode of the kid's funeral)

The acting was nicer than the first as well. Butchie's actor and DeMornay were quite surprising. O'Neil's "don't yell at me" totally vanished Al Bundy from my mind for good. And I wonder if Dillahunt being the second name in the credits in this one means anything about the recurrence of his character. And fucking yay! for (hilarious) Freddy. More from him and Vietnam Joe please.

Have to watch it again soon.
 
 
Mug Chum
03:17 / 27.06.07
Holy fuck. I haven't got a clue what happened, but JFC!

Nobody watched?

I'm seriously considering that John's "the end is near" isn't apocalyptic at all. Either his mind-reading/ all-knowing just picked up from Linc at the beginning of #1 his overall thoughts either about Mitch's morning surf session or since John sneaked up on him, the snake's suspicious mind thought/projected his own end was near (the last one I like to believe more, it puts a solid aspect to the show's portrayal of people behaving to the Other, to aliens [quote or no quote], situations and people and the things those entail).

I love the unsaid things. The million crap jokes as unburdening, and Butchie's no longer heroine-constipated and stuck, being able to "move". John (unintentionally?) training Butchie's dad muscles. Joe's assertion about "the stupid taco benders thinking he was immigration" (all this while him wearing a fucking military vest! Great!) -- that serves perfectly the show's nuanced motif on the ironies of people missunderstanding and fearing each other, running from each other etc.

And Shaunie is great (his "rise" on the skate thingy was quite what Linc said, no? Tapping into something by just watching him go at it. We watching him rise and tap it with his skate). And, damn, that exodus scene was pure "Yay! LoL!"
 
 
PatrickMM
03:22 / 27.06.07
I just finished the episode, another brilliant one. This show is so full of mystery and wonder, and makes perfect use of music. This is the second week where the episode ended and I was in a really powerful, mystical place. The "Kai, see God" sequence was another incredible sequence.

I've been talking to a bunch of people who've started watching the show, and online reaction to the recent episodes is improving. The show isn't getting good ratings, but I'm getting more optimistic about the possibility of things turning around and the show continuing for more than just one season.
 
 
Mug Chum
03:48 / 27.06.07
Actually, I wouldn't mind a one-season-jewel type of thing.

Unless they decide to put more focus on Guzman just on another season. Ok, if the supporting cast would be played like in Deadwood, I could go for more seasons. Freddie, Joe, Bill, Dickstein, Cunningham, Ramon, Ice-Cream Man, Doc "Jack McCall Welcott" etc...

Did Mitch thought his leg was stuck on a nail because his metal plaque on his leg started burning like the others' metals? (and him hanging was a visual hilariety too good)



SORT OF SPOILERY




I just read that it seems later on John will talk about his father and a 9/11. But it appears to be a future 9/11.
The random WMD reference in the 1st episode somehow made me think Room 24 was somehow a jackbaueran reference to post-9/11 demons of Other's invasion (pentagon) and castration (towers), that when dealt with the demon it became it's reversal, the "meaning of life", 42.

Oh and "see God"? No matter how much I might be wrong, I'll take that with a homophonic "Sea God" as well, with my little half-assed interpretations... ^_^
 
 
JOY NO WRY
09:34 / 27.06.07
It's on TV Links, if you don't mind streaming.
 
 
Slim
14:30 / 30.06.07
This show seems totally unfocused and lost. I will be shocked, repeat, shocked if it lasts for more than one season.
 
 
PatrickMM
19:46 / 30.06.07
I'd agree with you on the second part, ratings aren't looking good for another year. However, unless you're talking about just the first episode, I really disagree with the idea that it's unfocused and lost. Yes, there's a lot going on, but I think there's a strong enough center that we're lost in a good way. The overall narrative moves forward and various mysteries deepen around it. I like the fact that so much is unclear and there's room to move, it's in that mystery that we experience wonder.
 
 
Mug Chum
02:43 / 03.07.07
Damn it, I was loving for the set-up. But it appears it was no set-up. It might be it. "It" is still not being bad, but you know... just to go with the seemingly cliche answer, "it's no Deadwood".

Even if the dispersed and unfoccused quality was shrugged off somewhat by Linc's "Jeeesus Christ!" and the rising open-arms prince shiny Shaun from the dead (that scene would have totally done it for me if it wasn't for that goddamn cheap -- and on top of that, badly done -- photo-snap effect), it's just too little at this point (or maybe too much -- if that makes any sense).

It's feeling coitus interruptus. Dead wood, not "getting rid of the unsightly bulge". By episode 4 in DW, Wild Bill was shot and triggered that unbelievable scene of the town chasing McCall and the arrival of a man with a decapitated indian head while Jane went back on the bottle (while Bullock cried for God knows why).

Doesn't mean there aren't things worth checking out though. Bill, Freddy, Bill&Freddy, Doc Michael Smith, Vietnam Joe, the three wise kings of the motel, Shaunie, Butchie, John, dialogues, scenes' subtexts, the humor (damn, even Luke Perry is mildly interesting). Even the badly developed (or too slow-developed) themes alone make this interesting for me. For TV shows to keep track of, at least.

But at least, if it's supposed to go (reeally!) slow and sober on it's freakyness (maybe to augment the oddity factor and people's reactions), they should at least stop using those goddamn "intense guitar score" like in the scene with healed John arriving in the hotel. That can put you off of a scene that otherwise would be incredibly absorbing by itself (and Jim Beaver's acting chops surely would kick the intensity up alone), while the lack of things at "stake" at the scene just make the music and entire thing just appear dishonest and lost on what should be of an immense intensity, but on a very intimate and eerie level instead of a broad and "confrontational" level (if I'm not losing the point of the scene, that is -- the scene appeared to be screaming "DRAMA!!!").

"I'm here on orders from my bird". He.
 
 
Mug Chum
03:04 / 03.07.07
And fuck, they should kill off Mitch already. Or at least work him instead of just making me want to kick his teeth in.

(although I'd like if he was -- intentionally from the writers -- supposed to be a cringe-inducing type of the heights of David Brent, but with Chakra talks)
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
06:24 / 04.07.07
I think Mitch's irrtating nature has to be purposeful. He claims to be the most "spiritual" of the bunch, but he seems to have less of a clue than even the Motel Crew.
 
 
PatrickMM
02:15 / 16.07.07
What an episode tonight! We find out that either the intention was to make Cissy and Mitch annoying, or they recognized that's where things were going and decided to run with it. The community building stuff with the hotel was great, and the final sequence with John's various visitations and the surreal cookout was one of the best thing's done so far. After a weak episode last week, I think it's safe to say the show is right back on track.
 
 
Mark Parsons
17:09 / 16.07.07
Yes, that cook-out scene was wig-flipping. Did you see Shaunie and (maybe) kai in one shoy? They **could** not have been there, so I'm wondering if the scene happened in John's head. I also could not keep track of his amazing monologue. What's all that about "my father" and that woman's videocamera?

And that revealation about what happened when teen Butchie's mom was tripping was FUCKED UP. No wonder they are both so dysfunctional and filled with rage.

I missed eps 2 through whatever last week's ep was. HBO will repeat the last three eps, but why not repeat ALL the eps? Grr.

Anyway, fascinating cast, fascinating show.
 
 
Mug Chum
12:51 / 17.07.07
Holy Fucking Shit! "Baptise that fucking gun"! Definitly the best episode so far.

Nice to get a confirmation that John's parroting is more akin to a somewhat telephatic angelical/mega-dimensional-alieness omniscience (/presence?) than just audio-oral repeats. Puts some nice (IMO, brilliant) new context to the game rules and criterias of how even the most boring dialogue scene works now (and gives new shiny reasons to re-watch previous episodes again).

Episode 4, Butchie wakes up in his parents' house and find his mom and himself (in his undies) in the most awkward WTF moment ever. And his nervous storming out when she grills him in the previous episode about his "stupid" 12 year old self and her acid trips. Well, now we know why... damn...

The (I think it's the fourth this time) appearance of the "Lost" logo, this time with a similar soundtrack from the show "Lost" when it's title appears, makes me think this is going on something that I thought Lost would go in it's first season, or at least grant itself some meta-textual commentary or thematic appropriation. 'Anyways', now I'm also thinking "Yost" is supposed to dance around the contrast of themes in being lost-stranded-separated and the hello-union term of "yo" or maybe the spanish word for "I" (or even another word for hello, "oi", like John says of the binaries circle and line on the wall that "man makes a word of").

For another "0" and "1", you can also remember that John's shoes are duality chessboard patterned, the idea that the profane ground level is not unified -- "Cass' camera" -- like in his Father's word (and he uses those shoes to trace the floor with the elegant symbol of the Monad, the O and Y).

- Butchie's racist mysogynistic remarks were down right "what the f..." until you see he's intentionally kicking the balls and chain into the water (like Cissy usually does) when you see him contemplating getting his fix (like Cissy with the gun). These actors doing incredibly fine. Even Cass was more interesting on this one.

- John's hair reminds me of Morrisey. And GM's Zenith.

- This show can be unbelievably funny at it's most brutal moments. It's uncanny what the writers and actors achieve in some scenes.

- Mitch's trip reminded me of Oscar from Arrested Development for a moment. I'm thinking next episode we might see him going through some rough shit in his spiritual surfing cleansing bullshit trip to get him to have some sort of growing (and maybe knock him out of his spiritual pedestal, God telling him He doesn't exist, "so shut up!" :P).

And God, Fucking Trixie!!!

And I'm pissed at the little fucker who made this torrent and didn't catched the final credits' "My Favorite Things". Why? WHY?

Yup, best episode so far. Much teh happy!

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And here is John's monologue (starts with perhaps my favorite line of the entire show so far):

"If my words are yours, can you hear my Father? Can Bill know my Father, keeping his eye on me? Can I bone Kai and Butchie know my Father instead?

"My Father's shy doing his business. Kai helps my Father dump out. Bill takes a shot. Shaunie is much improved.

"Joe is a Doubting Thomas. Joe will save Not-Aleman. Joe will bring his buddies home. This is how Freddy relaxes. Cup-o'joe, and Winchell's variety dozen.

"Mitch catches a good wave. Mitch wipes out. Mitch wipes out Cissy. Cissy shows Butchie how to do that. Cissy wipes Butchie out. Butchie hurts Barry's head. Mister Rollins comes in Barry's face. My Father runs the Mega-Millions.

"Fur is big. Mud is big. The stick is big. The word is big. Fire is huge. The wheel is huge. The line and circle are big. On the wall, the line and circle are huge. On the wall, the man at the wall makes a man from the circle and line. The man at the wall makes a Word on the wall from the circle and line. The Word on the wall hears my Father.

"The zeroes and ones make the Word in Cass's camera. In the Word on the wall that hears my-Father-in-Cass's-camera, the good one Mitch catches doesn't wipe Cissy out. In the-Word-that-hears-my-Father, Cissy shows Butchie something else. In-my-Father's-Word, Cissy shows Butchie in Shaun. In-my-Father's-Word, Tina raises Shaun at lunch. In Cass's-camera, Butchie lays the court out for Barry, and Mister Rollins watches, and he doesn't come on Barry's face. In Cass's-camera, Butchie knows Kai kept the faith. In-my-Father's-Word, the Wave lifts them up.

"In Cass's camera, Bill doesn't bump his head on the stairs. In Cass's-camera, as long as he's being stupid, Bill gives Lois a kiss.

"In His-Word-in-Cass's-camera, the Internet is big. Nine-Eleven is big, but not every towel-head is eradicated. In His-Word, We are coming Nine-Eleven-Fourteen.

"In my-Father's-Word, Bill sees how Freddy relaxes. In Cass's-camera, Ramon wants to know who's hungry, in the courtyard and Room Forty-Five.

"In my-Father's-Word-to-come-in-Cass's-camera, Doctor Smith calls Ocean Properties. In Cass's-camera-to-come, my Father stares Not Aleman down, and Freddy sees Bill much-improved.

"You will not note my-Father's-Word, nor remember Cass's-camera, but you will not forget what we did here."
 
 
Mark Parsons
20:27 / 17.07.07
Wow. Where did that come from? Very cool and useful!

I recall a line about Shaunie that suggested he might die.
 
 
Mug Chum
20:42 / 17.07.07
Yeah, that was in the first episode's courtyard monologue. Most probably refering to what happens in episode 2.
 
 
Red Concrete
23:46 / 17.07.07
I thought I heard "Nine-Eleven is big, but not every towel-head is eradicated. In His-Word, We are calling Nine-Eleven, fourteen." Not that I can parse either version...
 
 
PatrickMM
02:12 / 18.07.07
The transcript of the speech was taken from Steve Hawk's Inside the Episode section on HBO's John From Cincinnati website. It's updated every week with really interesting behind the scenes stuff from the show, usually some anecdotes about the way Milch worked with the actors to develop the scene.

Does anyone know what the deal is with the writing credits and Milch's process? He's only been credited with writing one episode of the show so far, but there, Hawk indicates that he's writing scenes the night before and doing a lot of improv on set, so does the credited writer do basically an outline, or what?
 
 
Mug Chum
10:46 / 18.07.07
I figured he's more "Executive Producer" in the same sense Mitch Hurwitz was in Arrested Development, the showrunner basically. From what I read in the time of Deadwood, he'd sometimes be in the writer's room when he's not credited (others he'd write them pretty much entirely and be credited), he would reshape dialogues and scenes in the middle of shooting and take actors suggestions (sometimes the actors were even in the writers' room at times), storylines would spawn out of nowhere if he liked one actor's interaction with the other or he'd like something that came out of a scene or anything like it (Joanie Stubbs was pretty much supposed to be a little more than an extra in season 1; Richardson was entirely an extra of the hotel; Ellsworth's storyline with Alma probably came from one comment Jim Beaver made concerning one little bit of a particular scene; the entire thing with the chief's Yorick-ish head-in-a-box supposedly came from a scene where the box was just an empty box for a ruse; the eye-gauging came from a story Dan's actor told on the set and something a stunt-coordinator -- previously a loan-shark from Milch's gambling&dope days -- described what people do when lose their eye; and so on...). The actors'd usually make fun of the fact that many times they wouldn't need to read the script since by the time they'd actually shoot the scenes, Milch would've changed every single thing (or sometimes just bits of dialogue etc -- but, from what I gather, for an actor to re-memorize one little change in that particular type of sentencing must've been hell -- I remember Bullock's actor joking in the commentary tracks that there were scenes he'd just memorize without understanding one bit of what he was actually saying).

I can imagine that something like Bill's "kiss on Lois", ("in Cass' cam": the oniric harp playing with/ making friends with) Freddie's relaxation time must have came out of nowhere as well, since it's the actual actors playing the instruments. But it's weird since the other writer, Kevin Nunn, previously from mystic-surf-crime novels is also full of mystical blabbing (but I'd guess every time someone uses that damn word "skippy" for 'dick', it's probably Milch writing. I can imagine John's ad-speech for Cissy was also him, since it played on some things scenes with Wu on DW would work with as well).

I got the transcript in HBO's website (the surfing consultant to the writers -- presumly one of the writers too -- posts a column for each episode with some - very - rare jewels). Doesn't mean that makes it written on stone though. He can sometimes put some doubtful stuff there too (i.e. claiming the Doctor's reaction to Bill in the 2nd episode was of an "early believer"). But it's worth it at least for checking out the alternative titles for each episode.
(at www.johnmonad.com you can also enter search words you'd find pertinent and see if the site confirms it, gives you interviews, images, soundbites etc)

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I just read in another forum that the 9/11/14 might actually (or also) be a reference to Ezra 9:11-14; makes sense in the context of the show so far (so far we have -- more than -- references to immigrants, Iraq&WMDs, Abu Ghraib and 9-11).

"11 which you commanded by your servants the prophets, saying, ‘The land that you are entering, to take possession of it, is a land impure with the impurity of the peoples of the lands, with their abominations that have filled it from end to end with their uncleanness. 12 Therefore do not give your daughters to their sons, neither take their daughters for your sons, and never seek their peace or prosperity, that you may be strong and eat the good of the land and leave it for an inheritance to your children forever.’ 13 And after all that has come upon us for our evil deeds and for our great guilt, seeing that you, our God, have punished us less than our iniquities deserved and have given us such a remnant as this, 14 shall we break your commandments again and intermarry with the peoples who practice these abominations? Would you not be angry with us until you consumed us, so that there should be no remnant, nor any to escape?"

I'm also wondering if the fur-mud-stick-word-fire-wheel-line-circle-wall talk is supposed to be some sort of reference to dawn of mankind (mystical drawings on the walls, circle-stick, crude representation of man, the monad's O and inverted Y -- legs-body-and-head, two becoming one in a circle etc) or it's supposed to be less era-specific and just a overall symbolic importance of these things.
 
 
Mug Chum
15:34 / 18.07.07
Caught this one at TWOP.

The Gospel of John (John 9:11-14)

It's the middle of the parable of the beggar who was born blind, but who had his sight restored by Jesus.

11)He answered, "The man who is called Jesus made clay, and anointed my eyes, and said to me, 'Go to Siloam and wash'; so I went away and washed, and I received sight."
12)They said to him, "Where is He?" He said, "I do not know.
13)They brought to the Pharisees the man who was formerly blind.
14)Now it was a Sabbath on the day when Jesus made the clay and opened his eyes.

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Well, could be about Mitch.

Or could be that Butchie really needs to baptise himself, at least in a physical sense, take a fuckin' bath.

It's nice the constant motif of going back to water in so many symbolic or metaphorical layers. I just wish it'd be more telling or explicit, I don't know...
 
 
Mark Parsons
17:08 / 18.07.07
Just rented the first four eps of some old cancelled show called DEADWOOD...
 
 
A fall of geckos
17:26 / 18.07.07
Just watched the most recent episode. This is really quite wonderful isn't it?

It's good to see that the groundwork laid down in earlier episodes is paying off. I seem to remember John saying 'Room 24 will give up it's dead and the dead shall be forgiven', about 2 episodes ago.
 
 
Mark Parsons
06:33 / 19.07.07
Wow. Deadwood is awesome indeed. Now I can obsess about it AND JFC. I am now a Milch convert...
 
 
PatrickMM
02:49 / 30.07.07
Another absolutely incredible episode. Some more thoughts later, but for now I'll just say that I think John a Dreams spun out of the game into a new fiction suit, John From Cincinnnati. He's even got the white suit.
 
  

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