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Where's todays version of Film as a Subversive Art?

 
  

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De Selby
04:58 / 15.07.07
I don't believe that subversion of form can any longer be in and of itself subversion. it's all been done. there's been so much experimentation with form that there's really not much left to do, and nothing is really going to shock anyone into rethinking anything. (I suppose something like Tarnation might be subversive to someone with absolutely no knowledge of experimental cinema, even experimental narrative cinema, but that goes back to the discussion about subversion being specific to the audience)

After just viewing a clip of I'm not there, given its very open interpretation of the man in question (ie. Blanchett playing a version of bob dylan, amongst others) I think this film could be considered subverting the form of the biopic....
 
 
TeN
08:23 / 17.12.07
(reviving a semi-old thread here)

I've been meaning to see that
I don't think it's in theatres anymore so I guess I'll have to wait for it to come out on dvd
just from the description, however, I think you're right about it subverting the biopic form
and that's something Haynes is known for - Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story (a biopic acted out entirely by Barbie dolls) being his most famous example

since that post you quoted I've rethought my statement a bit and want to clarify
I still think that various film movements (abstract and structural film in particular) have torn down all barriers of form
no one is (well, no film-educated person should be) shocked or awed by formal experimentation anymore because it's already been shown that nothing is forbidden, everything is permitted
where i do still see the possibility for interesting formal experimentation, however, is within (or rather, stemming from) pre-existing film types, forms, and genres
most films attempting to subvert form start from the bottom up. I think at this point it's become more interesting to start from the top down. take a form that's already there (western, biopic, documentary, or even narrative film as a whole) and see how you can turn it on it's head, turn it inside out, or use it as a starting point for something else entirely (keep in mind here I'm not just talking about genre experimentation, but actually messing with form)
Haynes is a good example
and I guess Tarnation fits the bill as well (although I still don't entirely like the film, and think overall it's naiively and amateurishly constructed)


also, since my last post in this thread, I've done a complete about face regarding my position on youtube
grant - I completely agree with you
I'm in the process of beginning work on a documentary short right now that focuses on youtube - it's about a subculture/fetish/genre of men posting videos of themselves smoking cigarettes, and commenting on and responding to these videos
I don't want to reveal much more until it's developed a little bit further
 
  

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