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Charles Cosimano-Uncle Chuckie a Chaos magician?

  
  

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Quantum
17:45 / 06.06.07
Also worth noting that Lucid A.I. has not yet revealed precisely how he was seeking to ensorcel this young woman, although there are admittedly not very many good options here. So, let's not go the rohypnol route quite yet, eh?

I think your first impulse is probably right I'm afraid;

Don't tell me - you cast a spell to make her love you?

BTW- I realise that would involve reading the thread rather than haring off to Google image search, but.

Do feel free to delete any and all irreverent pics and posts.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:50 / 06.06.07
Dude, I'm not a Temple moderator. You are.
 
 
Quantum
19:50 / 06.06.07
I was really aiming that at Mordant et al.

As a mod though, perhaps I should suggest some options for this thread.
We could focus on Cosimano and his psionic devices, their possible utility and how they compare to other techniques (e.g. his Magick Wishing Board ritual as compares to sigilising or whatever, his psionic helmet compared to the Persinger helmet).
We could discuss Lucid A.I.'s posts and the assumptions and implications involved, the ethics of using psionics and the use of the word energy and such but we've talked about them before, a lot of times.
We could leave the thread alone and let it sink. This is my preferred option.
 
 
Lucid A.I.
03:08 / 07.06.07
let it sink maybe we should erase the thread altogether?

i'm just having fun,i noticed all the moral posts before, to use magick for this or that, or 'ensare someone'. It's still strange to actually post something about 'magick' and have it discussed as something that is real, with people that use it, rather than something you read about.

oh well, i started the thread under too much beer, wine, through the process of weeding out old links, and seeing the cosimano site, and not having seen it posted here. Perhaps with good reason.

So if messing with people or society in general with 'supernatural' experiments is off limits what do we do with this? I mean what are the sigils, meditation, astral voyages, remote viewing, mental tinfoil targets to move with 'mind' for?
As for 'spiritual' slavery or the 'love' angle, I've always seen love and relationships as one or the other of the couple using mind energy to catch the other, all's fair in love and war, also next to tarot readings and dream interpretations, 90 percent of chats with people into the occult i have is for women, or men -wanting love spells, and information on how to do them. So it's a two way street.
With women i've found it gives the 'sender' an extra interest, you're doing something i have not seen before, is what i usually get, or total flaming stare and anger, -stay out of my mind, life, dreams, i kinda like that, lol

they figure it out though, that it's possible to influence, dreams, or scare someone at a distance. Why? because we can, an as far as i know, there are no laws against use of psychic or magical powers unless you defraud someone or try and pass yourself off as a healer. If there is no contact but -in the spirit, then it becomes, not an issue of crime now does it... hmm, i'm thinking this is kinda sociopathic, but then i like uncle chuckie, anton szandor lavey, hell, even l ron hubbard, put aleister crowley's ideas to good use, i love jack parsons, and babalon workings, as far as magick is concerned though the only redeeming qualities i see are art. Writing, performance osmand spare's paintings, crowley's writings, kenneth anger, william boroughs, phil k dick, -even stephen king has a way of foretelling the future. The artist as magician, is perhaps what Barbelith is about, so that is the only thing to go for in the occult, knowledge, and art.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:08 / 07.06.07
With women i've found it gives the 'sender' an extra interest, you're doing something i have not seen before, is what i usually get, or total flaming stare and anger, -stay out of my mind, life, dreams, i kinda like that, lol

Just so we're 100% clear, 'Lucid': you enjoy and are amused by sexually harrassing women with your mind?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
07:34 / 07.06.07
So if messing with people or society in general with 'supernatural' experiments is off limits what do we do with this? I mean what are the sigils, meditation, astral voyages, remote viewing, mental tinfoil targets to move with 'mind' for?

Leaving aside the bit about tinfoil helmets (seriously? Tinfoil helmets?), this question has been adressed in a couple threads. Here's one, and I'm sure there are others.


As for 'spiritual' slavery or the 'love' angle, I've always seen love and relationships as one or the other of the couple using mind energy to catch the other,

Really. I'm tempted to ask how that's working out for you.

all's fair in love and war, also next to tarot readings and dream interpretations, 90 percent of chats with people into the occult i have is for women, or men -wanting love spells, and information on how to do them. So it's a two way street.

Two way street or no, the idea of "capturing" someone, "charming" them, or hypnotizing them with your mental powers and colander hat is nevertheless not very kosher from where Barbelith stands.

Which is not to say that being charming and witty in an effort to romance someone, or just to maybe sleep with them, is automatically a sin. That can be mere fun and games. Taking advantage of someone, however, is not what a cool guy does (chaos magician or otherwise). It's something a desperate douchebag does.

Which is why some folks are getting a little antsy at some of the ideas expressed in your posts. Taking advantage of someone is taking advantage of someone; there's no way to justify it as anything other than treating someone as a lesser person. So we're all hoping you're not really trying to do that. I'd like to believe you're a cool guy who just doesn't express his ideas very clearly.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
07:36 / 07.06.07
Just so we're 100% clear, 'Lucid': you enjoy and are amused by sexually harrassing women with your mind?

Maybe he just likes being rejected?
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
07:41 / 07.06.07
So we're all hoping you're not really trying to do that. I'd like to believe you're a cool guy who just doesn't express his ideas very clearly.

Very generous, however...

stay out of my mind, life, dreams, i kinda like that, lol

This seems fairly clear to *me* and I don't think it's very cool at all.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:43 / 07.06.07
Yes, he's stated pretty clearly that he does. Because the finds their angry and upset reactions amusing. That's one of the things Lucid has actually been lucid about, as far as I can tell. I'm not really clear where you're getting this "maybe he's just a cool guy who doesn't express himself well" stuff from, Tuna. Equally, I'm not at the "getting a little antsy" stage. I'm at the "have written him off entirely and am going to go and have a cry about the kind of people this board attracts" stage. I doubt I'm alone.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
08:02 / 07.06.07
Well, it wouldn't be the first time I've gone out on a limb for a jerk. But I'd still like to hear what he has to say about our feelings on the matter. I'm one of those posters who believes that Barbelith can help people learn.

I mean, I was a twit when I first arrived here. I got better, so who's to say Lucid won't benefit from a frank discussion regarding his ideas? I know not many people have the patience for this sort of thing, with plenty of good reasons, but I still think it's worth a try.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:08 / 07.06.07
I'm at the "have written him off entirely and am going to go and have a cry about the kind of people this board attracts" stage. I doubt I'm alone.

You're not. Had I a tinfoil helmet nearby, I would have been grasping frenziedly towards the "set to destruct" dial with every passing sentence of the above.

So if messing with people or society in general with 'supernatural' experiments is off limits what do we do with this? I mean what are the sigils, meditation, astral voyages, remote viewing, mental tinfoil targets to move with 'mind' for?

How's about this: If magic is real, and you can genuinely use this material to cause real world change to occur in accordance to Will, does that not perhaps come with a degree of social responsibility in a world as troubled as ours? How's about using these things to help people, to make the world a less difficult place for someone, to look out for the people in your life who you care about, to empower the disempowered and protect the disenfranchised. How's about using magic to decrease the amount of hurt and suffering in the world rather than fucking well adding to it.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
08:33 / 07.06.07
If magic is real, and you can genuinely use this material to cause real world change to occur in accordance to Will, does that not perhaps come with a degree of social responsibility in a world as troubled as ours?

Not according to Uncle Chuckie:

"Humanity was not put on this miserable little ball of dirt to sit in the mud and bewail its fate. We were born with brains to fight our way out of the mud and the ability to enjoy doing it.
We were not put here to alleviate suffering, but rather to cause it because nothing is ever accomplished without somebody getting hurt in the process. As the old saying went, “You can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs.”

We are born to cause pain.
We are born to destroy.
We are born to kill.
We are born to raise hell.

“Power comes from the barrel of a gun.” Psionics is that gun. It gives people the opportunity to be the bad guy and get away with it."
Psionic Power, p87

and

"Forget all the nonsense about ethics and morality that people have taught you. There is no Karma. There is no Law of Three or whatever they are it calling this month. You have the right to use psionics for anything you damned well please and if you get away with something in this life, nothing bad is going to happen to you in any other."
p89
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:39 / 07.06.07
I'd rather live according to the teachings of another Uncle Chuck, one who really does have tremendous and unique mental powers but chooses to use them responsibly. I'm talking, of course, about the teachings of tolerance and peace espoused by Professor Charles Xavier. He is a great man.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:41 / 07.06.07
Is it worth asking why he doesn't just get a gun? I mean, I imagine that attempts to get sex with ladies would be far more effective were the request backed up with the _actual_ barrel of a gun, rather than with a psionic gun. Is it just that psionic guns are easier to obtain and conceal?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:01 / 07.06.07
I think this is the most telling extract, echoed a bit by Lucid AI:

"Forget all the nonsense about ethics and morality that people have taught you. There is no Karma. There is no Law of Three or whatever they are it calling this month. You have the right to use psionics for anything you damned well please and if you get away with something in this life, nothing bad is going to happen to you in any other."

The notion that the only possible reason not to go around treating your fellow human beings like crap - just dumb slaves to bend to your will - is the fear of punishment, karma or the law of threes. Look: You don't refrain from using magic to stamp on "the weak" for kicks because you are too afraid of it returning threefold in your direction, you do so because you are not a miserable piece of shit. It's pretty fucking simple, and if you don't get that, then you are part of the problem.

Weren't we having several really interesting conversations about the specifics of practice before all of this kicked off?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:03 / 07.06.07
Lucid A., it's generally infinately preferable and far more productive to attack the post rather than the person, so here goes: from what you've written, I get the impression of a person who's almost completely worthless. You posts create the impression that you have these techniques which you reckon are effective, and you use them to make other people feel afraid and hurt.

Have you looked at this fucking world lately? Have you turned on the TV? Have you picked up a newspaper? Look around you. Talk to a few people about their lives. Then come back and tell me that what will really distinguish you in your magical career, what will really make you shine a little bit brighter than everyone else, is the creation of more pain and fear?

Do you think that being a dedicated fucking woman molestor makes you special? It really doesn't. Sexual harrassment is as common as grit. Creepazoids who think they've got a God-given right to oher people's bodies and can therefore use any means they like to trick, intimidate, pressurise, or blackmail people into bed, or if those methods should fail to make those people as blisteringly unhappy as they possibly can, are as common as grit. Guys like you are as common as grit.

Shit like this always seems to work on the presupposition that everyone else out there is this bottomless pit of resources and can easily accomodate the extra dose of anxiety and misery you're dishing out. Which is bullshit. Just walk down any fucking street in your town and look at the faces of the people there. They look happy? They look like they're just so swimming in bland, complacent peace of mind that a nice drop of your personal venom is what's needed to get things fizzing? Fuck no, they look miserable, bored, pissed off and just plain tired. That guy is having trouble with his prostate. That woman just found a lump in her breast. That boy is getting beaten up at school. That girl is failing her GCSEs. He's being made redundant, she's getting evicted, his mother's in the hospital and she's just had a miscarriage. Where in all of this do they need people like you, fucking with them for no reason except that you feel the need to indulge this pathetic fantasy of being some kind of eeevvvill wizard?

Fuck that. Fuck Charles Cosimano. And, to be quite frank, fuck you.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:08 / 07.06.07
PS: Moving to lock this fucking abortion so we can go and talk about something that doesn't make me want to puke. Lucid AI--you are touting exactly the kind of bilge that this forum doesn't want. Shape up or ship out, sunshine.
 
 
Saturn's nod
09:10 / 07.06.07
As for 'spiritual' slavery or the 'love' angle, I've always seen love and relationships as one or the other of the couple using mind energy to catch the other, all's fair in love and war

"MEN WHO HOLD "RAPE SUPPORTIVE ATTITUDES" ARE MOST LIKELY TO RAPE

Descriptive studies show that compared to their less aggressive peers, sexually aggressive men typically view relationships with women as hostile and adversarial, have a more promiscuous and impersonal orientation toward sex (Malamuth, Linz, Heavy, & Acker, 1995), and show greater arousal to depictions of forced intercourse (Bernat, 1997; Lohr, Adams, & Davis, 1997). Social information processing and judgments of sexual interactions are further influenced by aggressive men's rape supportive cognitions (e.g., Bernat, Wilson, & Calhoun, 1997).

At the individual level, men are more likely to sexually assault if they have hostile and negative sexual attitudes towards women and identify with traditional images of masculinity and male privilege (Heise, 1998; O'Neil &Harway, 1977). At the level of the immediate context in which violence takes place - typically families or other intimate or acquaintance relationships - male dominance is a strong predictor of the likelihood of sexual violence against women. At the interpersonal level, another predictor especially among young men is attachment to male peers [who] encourage and legitimate woman abuse (Heise, 1998). And at the macro-social level, rates of violence against women are higher in contexts in which manhood is defined in terms of dominance, toughness, entitlement to power or male honour, there are rigid gender roles, and violence is condoned as a means to settle interpersonal disputes (Heise,1989).


CULTURES WHICH ACCEPTS MISOGYNY AS NORMAL PROMOTES RAPE

McFall (1990, p.318) has stated in his information processing model of rape:"This evidence paints the following portrait of sexually aggressive men. They enter heterosexual relationships holding distorted cognitive schemata that predispose them to sexual misunderstandings and misguided actions. It is as though these men were 'primed' by their schemata to read positive sexual connotations into women's neutral or negative messages; to believe that women secretly wish to be victims of sexual coercion; to misinterpret women's refusals of sexual advances merely as coquettish acceptances; to dismiss women's physical resistance as a primeval sexual ritual; to misperceive women's cries of pain as squeals of pleasure; and to redefine any attempted rebuffs as proof that womenare 'teases' who deserve whatever they get."
" from the awesome Blamers forum
 
 
Quantum
11:10 / 07.06.07
Now locking the thread, Lucid AI I'd advise you read the board a bit more before posting anything and try to imagine what it might be like to treat women as people rather than prizes.
 
  

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