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Imagine there's [sic] no muggles, it's easy if you try...

 
  

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Quantum
12:40 / 08.06.07
a society run by horses.

Try to imagine a world in which everyone was a talking horse. Would it be better? Worse? Is this the world we all already live in?
Imagine there's no houyhnhnms, it's easy if you try.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:44 / 08.06.07
There seems to be an attitude of: "I'm have written on forums and practiced magic accoridng to my deffinition for X years therefore I should try and chastise people who accroding to me don't get it".

Could you indicate to us where this pattern of behaviour is occuring, Lord Switch? It sounds terrible. I'm sure that if you were to provide us with examples people would--

Oh fuck it, I can't be bothered.

This isn't a case where someone walked in, asked some completely innocent and unproblematic question and got harshed on for not being cool enough, as you seem to be implying. If someone had turned up and simply asked "hey guys, I was wondering what you thought the world might be like if everyone practiced some kind of magic," that person would have got a totally different response. But that's not what happened, is it?

Here's what actually happened: The topic starter made a bunch of (pretty ugly) assumptions about the people who post here, about something that genuinely matters to a lot of us, and about the world in general. Those assumption heavily informed the way the question was phrased. He got called on those assumptions.

You know what? The OP didn't get it. People who think there's some kind of big important distinction between "magicians" and "muggles" don't get it. People who assume that the Temple as a community makes or tolerates such a distinction don't get it. People who imply that we think we're all special because we practice magic don't get it. People who don't pause to think about the range and diversity of spiritual belief in the world don't get it.

It's my hope that Fable/Stable didn't walk away smarting too much from the exchange, and that ze gained something from it, but I don't think anyone here has been out of order.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:01 / 08.06.07
Except me, arguably. sorry, all. I just get so narked with the same thing, over and over again.
 
 
Saturn's nod
13:53 / 08.06.07
Write a bingo card, stick it in Creation.

With a little close attention and possibly a text processing application we could test a null hypothesis that the close conjunction of those particular words indicates ill-founded condemnations and either unwillingness or inability to examine the source of a disagreement.
 
 
Haloquin
15:01 / 08.06.07
Oooh, like the feminist-comics arguments bingo card. I think I saw that linked to on Barbelith somewhere but I'll put a link here;

Bingo Card

Would it be an interesting experiment to put together one of these for arguments in Temple that frequently get thrown up and have been over-discussed? I assume thats why people seem to be less patient than perhaps they were when they first started dealing with arguments/assumptions that don't hold up... once you've argued it 100 times already...
 
 
Ticker
15:20 / 08.06.07
I sometimes wonder what the world would be like if everyone practiced personal responsibility.

oh and the Bingo card is making me swoon. Yes can we please have one for the Temple?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
15:28 / 08.06.07
There's possibly an interesting thread on the relationship between practising magic and practising personal responsibility. Despite endless evidence to the contrary paraded before us here and elsewhere, I strongly believe that you cannot really have one without the other. I think that anyone claiming to be a "magician" who does not take responsibility for themselves, their lives and what is happening around them within their orbit - is quite simply not a magician in any sense of how I would define the term.
 
 
Haloquin
15:43 / 08.06.07
I like the idea of personal responsibility and magic as a topic, if no-one else picks up on it I'll give it a go at starting a thread over the next couple of days, or bumping an old one, I'm surprised if there isn't one...

In terms of Bingo card creation, I assume a thread either in Creation or Temple in which people post the assumptions/arguments as a one-line phrase and then a paragraph or two debunking that particular point. One per post? It could generate interesting discussion around the points and counter-points so I'm thinking it might do well to stay in Temple? Again, I'll give it some thought and start it once the idea has crystalised - likely tonight.

I assume we'll have voting on which points to include... although I'm getting a little ahead of myself!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:49 / 08.06.07
Yeah, let's have a thread on magic and personal responsibility. If nothing else it would make a nice alternative to all the evil superpsionics wank.
 
 
Haloquin
16:00 / 08.06.07
I bumped one that seems relevent, but if a new thread would be better feel free to ignore said bumped thread...
 
  

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