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Core of Your Magick

 
  

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This Sunday
09:39 / 05.05.07
What's the central conceit of your magick? If you had to boil down your magick to its singular defining nugget or to fit on a t-shirt, how would yours read?

Virtually every time I respond to something in this forum, I have to wonder if my advice does anyone any good, because it's coming from a model I know not many people ascribe to. And I reflexively, then, wonder what everyone else's model is, precisely. And I don't mean what school you fall under, particularly, because you can easily have two self-identifying Catholics and one has at the center of their faith/practice/worldview the trinity and holy virgin momma Mary, and for the other, it all comes down to that there is one true solid God and He used to like His lamb well-done, but now that we killed His boy, He's not so keen, perhaps.

For example, I think my blanket animism of everything under and beyond and in the sun is the core of how I relate to the world. Some weird part of my brain doesn't want to pretend like air doesn't count as real stuff or that there's really much difference between a flower petal, that air, and my thumbnail. And it's all alive and all aware.

It doesn't bother me that this may be entirely untrue or that the specifics, then, of that alive-ness or the quality of aware is probably doomed to never be properly identifiable or definable. It could've been another core, it could have been the lyrics to Maggie May, but it's the ambient awareness and life of existence extant. And I find it really bends up the way I look at everything, react to everything, and therefore, how I conduct myself as part of the world.

Thus, my otherwise inexplicable insistence on maintaining a pretense of self-awareness in all human beings. Even the ones who don't exhibit much of one. Because it's a good model to put on the world, a satisfactory model. We're all conscious, capable of greater consciousness, and removal is illusory and unnecessary. So no eternal damnation, no permanent removes, and lo, the world starts to smell like the end bits of Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Other people seem to operate from a evil forces from beyond the recesses of evilspace or lizard overlords, termite surgeons for Christ from the dog star, or that humans are - or, some humans are - a special chosen type/breed developed and shepherded by loving cosmic gardeners. Sometimes it's just sound. Or that trees were created as the anchors holding earth and sky together and everything else is just extrapolated from there. Male and Female swishy bits in the nebulous nebulae making egg-sounds with bone combs and three-footed raven making herself a tree.

How's yours work?
 
 
Quantum
11:09 / 05.05.07
If you had to boil down your magick to its singular defining nugget or to fit on a t-shirt, how would yours read?

"My Holy Guardian Angel went to Kether and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"

I think the core for me is believing we swim around in a sea of impressions and experience and try to make sense of it all using models which we think are real, but the world is more mysterious and wondrous than we can ever fully know and our models are frail, incomplete and only in our heads. That and the importance of Willpower.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
15:22 / 05.05.07
This is hard.

Getting out of your head? Coming to understand the profound magicalness of everything, even ordinary everyday things (or perhaps *especially* ordinary everyday things)?

Tricking your subconscious into behaving rationally?

I guess for me it's mostly about making a certain kind of time happen in which the imaginary boundaries between what's "real" and "unreal" disappear and one is left with numinosity. If that's a word, even. But there's also a heavy amount of reductionist self-analysis going on for me and constructive relationship-building with, um inner selves.

I can't really answer this. There's too much different stuff.
 
 
Quantum
15:57 / 05.05.07
That would need to be a big T-shirt or very small type...
 
 
Princess
16:26 / 05.05.07
Joy, I suppose. Like, that golden feeling of peace/happiness. Like, cultivating a feeling of love for everything in my core. A sense of deep connection.
Theres some notion of self improvement in there too.

It used to be about wearing a lot of mascara and cursing the sheeple. But over the last couple of years I've stopped being such a nob.
 
 
EvskiG
19:37 / 05.05.07
Doubt.

Pay attention.

Control follows awareness.

Imagine. Will. Know. Dare.
 
 
Unconditional Love
20:48 / 05.05.07
Understand the story of yourself and the stories you use to relate to everything else.

Everything is real. Somewhere sometime. Its probable and possible.

Intuition is the guide.

What story will i tell myself?
 
 
Mako is a hungry fish
00:33 / 06.05.07
Oh good question, and a question that's actually pretty close to the core of my magic.

Some weird part of my brain doesn't want to pretend like air doesn't count as real stuff or that there's really much difference between a flower petal, that air, and my thumbnail.

If one thinks in terms of everything being made from some sort of primal force, and that what these things are is determined by the composition of this force, than in terms of this primal force a flower petal and air and a thumbnail arn't all that different. There is a difference in composition however, and hence form, so that it's within the thumbnails power to alter the form of the flower petal.

And it's all alive and all aware.

Now in altering the form of the flower petal, the air is altered too - as is the form of the thumbnail, which is no longer the thumbnail over there but the thumbnail over the flower petal; everything about the various compositions is changed in a massive chain reaction, which continues to react and change in ways that are hard to fathom.

Fathoming that reaction is the core of my magic; I'd like to be able to determine what I need to do now in order to get what I want when that chain reaction returns to me. Though the thing is, my magic relies heavily on the question that you've ask, what is at its core, because without this introspection it's hard to piece things together and fathom the chain reaction.

If you had to boil down your magick to its singular defining nugget or to fit on a t-shirt, how would yours read?

A friend of mine sent me a message in the small hours in the morning today that said "If I could make a wish and I could wish for anything, then I would honestly wish for one night out without any dramas whatsoever and to finish with the feeling of completeness, invincible."

My return message was "If wishes were fishes than children would never starve, though fish can be caught if one learns how, instead of wishing to be fed". That's probably pretty close to the core of my magic.
 
 
Saturn's nod
09:22 / 06.05.07
There's a well of grace and goodness, that's where I'm headed.

You can come too if you want.

I think it's like a universal solvent.

Helps me, anyway.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
16:20 / 06.05.07

Actually...

" ?


! "

...was quite good on the inside covers of the Book of Lies.

Possibly better put as:

"First listen, then speak."
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
16:58 / 06.05.07
Everything -- biomass, energy, matter, ect -- is information in varying states of Entropy. Information can be observed, studied, manipulated, rewoven and played with. We are information as well, the same thing that makes stars and black holes and hope and guns and rape camps. We are a a story telling itself.


At least that's how it works for today
 
 
misterdomino.org
18:33 / 06.05.07
I was a bit wary of the complete subjectivity of the whole thing, that is until the universe or the HGA or some such force screamed so loudly into my spiritual ears that I couldn't deny it any longer.
But I read something on an Amazon.com book list, one of those "So you'd like to become a magus..." and there someone (probly one of you guys) wrote something that destroyed any uncertainty that I had. To paraphrase: Everything stems from belief, everyone is trying to get you to believe something...but at least our (meta) belief is fun!" And that is what it's all about for me: the fulfillment and application of some idealist egalitarian worldview where potential is only limited by imagination and there is beauty in every experience. But I also like that trees-connecting-earth-and-sky idea.
 
 
EmberLeo
08:55 / 09.05.07
This thread's question is one I very much want to answer, and I find that I can't quite wrap my head around which angle the question is coming from. To me, I percieve several different questions here, not all of which I can articulate clearly.

Two somewhat different questions I CAN articulate are: "What do you believe is the essence of existence?" and "How do you believe magic works?"

I think the question is intended to be some of each, but for me I feel like I have a more practical, everyday answer for the latter, and a much more metaphorical answer for the former.

So... Um, I guess that's a long-winded way of saying "Could somebody please rephrase the question, because I want to play with it, and need a better handhold to get started!"

--Ember--
 
 
This Sunday
09:00 / 09.05.07
"What do you believe is the essence of existence?" and "How do you believe magic works?"

EmberLeo, I'm afraid I do think those are the same question.

Do you function/exist in really and truly nonmagickal ways?

Maybe someone can rephrase it better than I put it the first time, but I'd be just as interested in reading how you think the questions differ and/or your answers to either/both.
 
 
Princess
09:39 / 09.05.07
Maybe not just "why" it works, I think, but why you work it. Not just what you are shooting with, but also what you're aiming for.
 
 
EmberLeo
10:08 / 09.05.07
EmberLeo, I'm afraid I do think those are the same question.

Well, I'm sure the latter depends on the former, quite. But I would go about answering them differently, see? I don't necessarily think the conceptual tools I'm using to cause things to happen in the world run all the way down to the core of reality. But perhaps that's telling of itself: I percieve reality in layers, and how magic is performed depends tremendously on which layer you operate from. But the nature of existence is, to me, a question about the foundation layer, on which everything else is built. I don't find it effective to try and work magic from that perspective because that perspective doesn't include me in enough detail to make anything practical actually work.

--Ember--
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
13:53 / 09.05.07
My t-shirt would probably say "Don't ask me, it wasn't my idea." I feel like most of what's happened isn't something I meant to do or realized I was doing, but something that's happened to me under the direction of my subconscious, or external entities, or whatever. And it just so happens to have been exactly what I needed or wanted, even though I didn't know it, because of some correlation between my True Will and God's Plan. With the word God here being less of an anthropomorphic invisible old man living in the sky with all my dead pets, and more of an unintelligible Taoist concept.

Maybe my t-shirt would have a suitably unintelligible Taoist-like statement like "God is God" or "I am that I am". Jews are so Zen.
 
 
Ticker
14:15 / 09.05.07
T-shirt version...

Front: Manifesting a Shiny World One Being at a Time
Back: Have you taken yourself off the Jerk List yet?

Well this is helpful topic on a couple of levels for me right now. (one of which is that damnable abstract thingy)

My work has been evolving along the lines that self improvement automatically leads to everything else falling into place. Sometimes the internal work overlaps with external work meaning the need for compassion in the external world inspires us to be more compassionate people.

My magical/religious work allows me to take action to make the world a better place in whatever way I can. I was recently reminded sometimes the action needs to be concrete direct material action combined with other more hand wavy forms to create a truly holistic approach.
 
 
Papess
14:22 / 09.05.07
My t-shirt would probably say "Don't ask me, it wasn't my idea."

I think that shirt is for me too. The root of most teachings I have had are rooted in Tantra apparently. Dzogchen in particular. It wasn't my idea. I had no clue what was going on. Didn't even know what Tibet was, all those years ago. I tried to run, but there is no escaping the nature of mind, at least until one realises the nature of mind (as in, not just intellectually understanding it!).

But today, my t-shirt reads: "I went to the core of my magick and all I got was this illusory T-shirt!"

Alternatively, I could wear onions for earrings.
 
 
EvskiG
15:16 / 09.05.07
Maybe my t-shirt would have a suitably unintelligible Taoist-like statement like "God is God" or "I am that I am". Jews are so Zen.

Funny thing about "I am that I am."

While it's acquired all sorts of mystical connotations over the years, it's meant as a joke.

When Moses asked God his name in Exodus 3:13-14, God responds "I am that I am." (Eheieh Asher Eheieh) (אהיה אשר אהיה)

As Karen Armstrong notes in "A History of God," this is the equivalent of responding to the question "Where did you go?" with "I went where I went."

In other words, God is blowing Moses off -- saying "never you mind what my name is."
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
15:26 / 09.05.07
I'd say that kind of both is, and isn't, a joke. The idea that we are not allowed/capable of understanding God - or that trying is silly because God just is - is kind of at the core of what I'm thinking these days.
 
 
misterdomino.org
15:58 / 09.05.07
T-shirt version...

Front: Manifesting a Shiny World One Being at a Time
Back: Have you taken yourself off the Jerk List yet?


Thats amazing XK, we should consider serializing those, perhaps as merchandise to go along with the upcoming Temple Presents publication.
 
 
Feverfew
16:00 / 09.05.07
As far as taking it down to a t-shirt slogan goes, I think mine would probably read:
Oh God, what am I doing?
 
 
---
16:43 / 09.05.07
I probably wouldn't wear it on a t-shirt, but :

Not chasing after desires or goals,
Putting aside past and future,
Using awareness to experience things as they are.
 
 
Ticker
17:01 / 09.05.07
hahahah Mr. Domino!

..wait...


REALLY?
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
18:36 / 09.05.07
"it's about time"

>p
 
 
Unconditional Love
19:45 / 09.05.07
I thought "i am that i am" meant something like i must be now so that i can be again, perseverance in a temporal world, enduring essence. But i dont really know.
 
 
Ticker
19:55 / 09.05.07
I'm with Ev G on that one.

Though many Gods seem to do this sometimes. Like it's not important what or who They have been or what gossip and baggage you might bring to the table if you knew Their names. What's important is They are your God. It's like saying: ' Focus, people, focus.'
 
 
EvskiG
21:02 / 09.05.07
Here's Karen Armstrong from the wonderful "A History of God":

When Moses asked his name and credentials, Yahweh replies with a pun which, as we shall see, would exercise monotheists for centuries. Instead of revealing his name directly, he answers: "I Am Who I Am (Ehyeh asher ehyeh)." What did he mean? He certainly did not mean, as later philosophers would assert, that he was self-subsistent Being. Hebrew did not have such a metaphysical dimension at this stage, and it would be nearly 2000 years before it acquired one. God seems to have meant something rather more direct. Ehyeh asher ehyeh is a Hebrew idiom to express a deliberate vagueness. When the Bible uses a phrase like "they went where they went," it means "I haven't the faintest idea where they went." So when Moses asks who he is, God replies in effect: "Never you mind who I am!" or "Mind your own business!" There was to be no discussion of God's nature and certainly no attempt to manipulate him as pagans sometimes did when they recited the names of their gods. Yahweh is the Unconditioned One: I shall be that which I shall be. He will be exactly as he chooses and will make no guarantees.
 
 
EmberLeo
22:08 / 09.05.07
The question arises: Just because the humans involved couldn't have understood a deeper meaning of what god was saying at the time, and thus didn't intentionally report it, doesn't mean god wasn't also implying many of the other concepts that have been extrapolated further down the line.

That's always a sticky bit of dealing with mythology purely historically. I love Karen Armstrong's work, and with regards to what the humans percieved at the time, I believe it. But it doesn't tell us what god meant, it tells us what the humans who heard the message turned around and conveyed to eachother.

--Ember--
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:37 / 09.05.07
What's the central conceit of your magick? If you had to boil down your magick to its singular defining nugget or to fit on a t-shirt, how would yours read?

btw this shit is real.


(and on the back of the t-shirt in very small letters: This shit is real? This shit is REAL! Argh fuck what oh hey brilliant scary horrible no great no horrible no wait yeah but no but yeah but oh look a shiny thing oh look Nirvana oh look my gas bill oh look my friend's asthma oh look global warming oh look Enlightenment oh look harm it none oh look do what thou wilt oh look your diabetes oh look my rent oh look sex oh look murder oh look life oh wow fuck I don't think they make dice for this.)
 
 
EvskiG
02:31 / 10.05.07
Just because the humans involved couldn't have understood a deeper meaning of what god was saying at the time, and thus didn't intentionally report it, doesn't mean god wasn't also implying many of the other concepts that have been extrapolated further down the line . . .

. . . with regards to what the humans perceived at the time, I believe it. But it doesn't tell us what god meant, it tells us what the humans who heard the message turned around and conveyed to each other.


All of this assumes that God -- whatever that is -- actually said something.

(To Moses, I suppose, who then reported it in the third person).

Personally, I don't buy that.
 
 
gravitybitch
02:37 / 10.05.07
btw this shit is real.

(and on the back of the t-shirt in very small letters: ...oh wow fuck I don't think they make dice for this.)


I'd wear that one quite happily...
 
 
electric monk
03:26 / 10.05.07
That should be on a long sleeve T with the second part starting at the wrist of one sleeve, traveling up and over the shoulder, looping and twisting round and round on the back, then down the other sleeve to the other wrist.

You know this to be true.
 
 
EmberLeo
04:13 / 10.05.07
If you had to boil down your magick to its singular defining nugget or to fit on a t-shirt, how would yours read?

Oh! That I already did, as The Chariot for Oracles from the Living Tarot: "Pay attention, and KEEP MOVING!"

btw this shit is real.

My lover calls those "TSW moments" for "This shit works!"

--Ember--
 
  

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