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The Martin Amis Thread

 
  

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All Acting Regiment
16:02 / 10.04.07
I've just been reading a lot of Nabokov. No contest, really...
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
16:36 / 10.04.07
If you mean Nabokov's better, well, yup. Pale Fire esp.
 
 
Janean Patience
17:50 / 10.04.07
Twig: I have really conflicting feelings about Amis. I can still re-read London Fields and be blown away by it, but then more recent stuff - especially when he tries to write as BLACK!/YOOT!/WOMAN! - is just hilariously bad.

I think it's kind of a fallacy that Amis hasn't produced any good books since the early 90s/London Fields. What he hasn't managed to produce is a big novel of any quality. The Information is, despite the inevitable passages of perfect writing, mainly shit and a poor joke dragged out way too long. Yellow Dog again has great bits - most of the stuff with Clint and his newspaper, about half the stuff about Xan Meo - but fails fairly spectacularly. I've only read it all the way through the once and I'm still unsure what it was even trying to do.

There has been good Amis in that same period, though. His book reviews and essays in The War Against Cliche are a class in how to pull someone apart using their own words, and how you can love work while being only too aware of its imperfections. The voice of Night Train never really fitted, the hand of the author moving the dummy's mouth too obvious, but it was a decent story well-told, careful not to confuse itself with unnecessary detail. Koba The Dread did contain, as it backhandedly said on the jacket, "perhaps the best one hundred pages ever written about Stalin" even if they were sandwiched with tripe. And Experience was unique, a memoir of two writers and a midlife crisis that takes a very unusual approach, the prose flowing and the details gradually accreting. It really requires multiple reads before it unfolds.

It's just the Big Novels that have problems. He reminds me of mid-life Philip Roth in that particular; there was still good prose coming but the novels were ashamed failures. Roth came back and is stronger than ever. I'd hope, and there's not much to pin it on, Amis can do the same.

And yeah, Amis isn't as good as Nabokov. Like who is.
 
 
johnny enigma
15:08 / 17.04.07
I don't particularly want to open up the debate on novels and morality but I would like to state that I don't look to novels for moral values. If anything, I find novels that tread into moral grey areas far more interesting.

As for Amis, I enjoyed reading London Fields and The Information quite alot but in the end, he's just too depressing for me. He seems to have this annoying preoccupation with the idea that everything's getting worse and we're all going to hell in a wikcer basket.

I reread London Fields recently and I was really getting into some beautifully written passages and all of a sudden I'd think "Here he goes again, telling us how shit the world is". Now the prospect of picking up one of his books seems far too daunting.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
16:42 / 17.04.07
Perhaps you'd like Gwyn Barry's 'Amelior'?
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
13:04 / 19.11.07
Bumping this because today sees the publication in the Guardian's G2 section of an essay by Ronan Bennett on Amis' recent comments on 'Islamism', Islam and Muslims, which Bennett calls as odious outburst of racist sentiment as any public figure has made in this country for a very long time. Link is here.

Personally, I find Amis' comments reprehensible, and I imagine many here on Barbelith will feel the same. With this in mind, perhaps there's an interesting conversation to be had not on what a big ol' racist Amis is, but rather on why, exactly, he is proferring these opinions, and how they might tesselate with his earlier novels / journalism. Any takers?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
17:26 / 19.11.07
Well, look at it this way: what do you get if you write 'big' novels about 'big themes' such as the Gulag, and highly opinionated, 'controversial', 'daring' articles about Islam? Lots of attention and money.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:13 / 19.11.07
I have no problem believing that Martin Amis is 100% sincere in his desire to see collective punishment imposed on Muslims and anybody who looks like they might be a Muslim.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:24 / 19.11.07
Ooh, I came here to post that very link... I had a funny feeling Petey might have beaten me to it, but looks like Glenn got in there first!

(And yes, I am aware of my own hypocrisy in sticking up for Houellebecq- to an extent, overall the guy is a dick, obviously, but I tend to give him more of a pass- but being quick to condemn Amis, and I'm wondering if there's some value in looking at why it's easier to excuse these things in people whose work we like...)
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
18:40 / 19.11.07
But that doesn't really stand up to scrutiny, does it? 'House of Meetings' (Amis' Gulag novel) is not physically 'big' at 256 pgs, and neither is it 'big' in terms of, say, starring Stalin. You would be equally wrong if you said the same thing of Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn's 'One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich', not that I imagine you would. Maybe you could argue that AS is different from MA in that the poor sod was actually a prisoner in a work camp, but isn't the job of the writer to, um, imagine stuff? Jane Austen, after all, never married, and her books feature more weddings than the average issue of Bride magazine.

In terms of attention and money, Amis might have a certain degree of fame, and not be short of a bob or two, but really one can become much richer by working in banking, and gain much more attention by appearing on TV. Did Alice Walker write The Colour Purple for attention and money? Did Primo Levi write The Periodic Table for attention and money? Did Coleen McLoughlin write Welcome to My World for attention and money? No - each of them had a truth they wished to impart, a gift, if you will, to give to our species.

I think Amis' horror at what he (rather problematically) calls 'Islamism' is sincere, and not without foundation if you can disregard the thick layer of macho posturing, willful ignorance, horrific generalisation, and cultural preening that despoil his arguments like a skid mark despoils a toilet bowl. The problem is we can't disregard this stuff. It stinks, and he should know better. What I think's going on here is, sadly, a thoughtful young writer's mutation into an ageing right wing bore. A bit like his dad, really. It sort of begs the question whether Amis believes this is what writers are supposed to do after a certain age - Bellow, one of his literary heroes, became pretty uncompromising in his pro-Israel views towards the end of his life...
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:15 / 20.11.07
I have no problem believing that Martin Amis is 100% sincere in his desire to see collective punishment imposed on Muslims and anybody who looks like they might be a Muslim.

Neither do I - he's a genuine bad bod with actual delusions. I just think it needs to be pointed out that all this guff about him being 'daring' by publishing them is rubbish because he always stands to gain from it.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:18 / 20.11.07
'House of Meetings' (Amis' Gulag novel) is not physically 'big' at 256 pgs, and neither is it 'big' in terms of, say, starring Stalin.

I still contend that it's part of the genre "Look, a serious book about something bad and serious, completely lacking in humour and quality and, frankly, manipulative, but which will none the less be doing the rounds of Newsnight Review and the Saturday Guardian because of the aforesaid 'seriousness'". Primo Levi is not part of this genre because he never blusters, whereas the books in the 'Painful Lives' section of Waterstones are.
 
 
Janean Patience
10:38 / 20.11.07
Have you read House Of Meetings, I have to ask?
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
11:09 / 20.11.07
Yeah, I was wondering that myself. I'm very happy to denounce Amis' attitude to Islam, but I can't see how anyone who has actually read House of Meetings could describe it as completely lacking in humour and quality. AAR, could you explain what you mean by this, perhaps giving examples HoM's humourlessness, and the rankness of its prose?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:35 / 20.11.07
I'm very happy to denounce Amis' attitude to Islam

Are you? I thought you said it was "not without foundation"?
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
11:54 / 20.11.07
Nope, sorry Flyboy, what I actually said was:

I think Amis' horror at what he (rather problematically) calls 'Islamism' is sincere, and not without foundation if you can disregard the thick layer of macho posturing, willful ignorance, horrific generalisation, and cultural preening that despoil his arguments like a skid mark despoils a toilet bowl.

So not Islam but what he (rather problematically) calls 'Islamism'. To clarify, we might describe this as the actions of a very small number of people apparently acting according to a very particular and not at all widespread interpretation of a polyphonic faith.

Please try not to misrepresent what other posters have actually written, there's a good chap. I know you like to think of yourself as the tough guy of Barbelith, but you're coming across as Jeremy Clarkson with a City and Guilds in critical theory.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:05 / 20.11.07
I hadn't allowed for the possibility that you believe Amis' worldview has enough coherence and relation to reality as for there to be an identifiable set of events or individuals or belief systems which he is justified in finding horrific, but then mislabels, misrepresents the causes of, and suggests at best mistaken responses to. As Bennett points out, he doesn't know his Shias from his Sufis and writes things like "Here in the west we have the most evolved society in the world and we are not blowing people up". I do not think it is worth making a connection between his wilfully ignorant, pompous babblings (entirely in keeping with his personality and politics to date - I know of no thoughtful young writer called Martin Amis historically) and any real existing geopolitical issue. It would be like saying that a neo-Nazi's views of the state of Israel were "not without foundation" if one stripped away the anti-semitism, etc: a fundamentally unhelpful and dangerous approach.

Also, I'll thank you to depart from your typically smug condescending tone with me. Given your own tendency to say "provocative" things you then pseudo-retract using jpgs of Last of the Summer Wine, you should be grateful that anybody on this board takes anything you write the slightest bit seriously.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
12:26 / 20.11.07
I hadn't allowed for the possibility that you believe Amis' worldview has enough coherence and relation to reality

(Serious Head On) It might be interesting, for the purposes of this thread, for you to identify the nature of the 'reality' of which you speak, and how Amis understanding of 'reality' deviates from it. I suspect I'll probably agree with you.
 
 
Quantum
13:45 / 20.11.07
That's your serious head? Identify the nature of reality so we can see how Amis is at variance to it?
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
13:56 / 20.11.07
Well, not the whole of reality, clearly. Only Robert Anton Wilson can do that. Rather the reality which Flyboy suggests he understands, and Amis does not, but nevertheless bangs on about in the Observer.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:33 / 20.11.07
I must admit that my contributions here have been vague and slippery. I have read HOM, and I disliked it, although that's subjective and really besides the point. I'm not, I'll admit, in a position to criticise it properly because I read it back when it first came out and can remember little about it. I'll try and dig it out and come back with some serious criticism in another post.

To move on to what irks me, in a way that might be relevant here, is firstly this idea we have of the novellist as someone deeply in touch with the big issues of the moment, a philosopher, if you will, as opposed to the ideal of the novellist as someone who writes good novels.

This irks me because being good at a certain art form is different to being a good philosopher (with an authority on global politics): they are not mutually exclusive by any means (Beckett, Camus, Donne, Cavalcanti), but they are different disciplines, and the one does not guarantee the other.

So at some level, Amis being seen as an 'authority' on Islamism or 'the current situation' just because he's famous and has written some novels is a mistake - the fact that people are willing to publish his unreferenced, unsourced rants shows bad journalistic standards (especially when there are plenty of Muslim critics and essayists out there trying to argue for progressive politics within the various Muslim communities, and doing so with proper regard for exemplification and empiricism, and being largely ignored).

In this context - novels valued for the wrong reasons, novellist unqualified in politics given collumn inches - I find HOM particularly repugnant. I'll pass you on to this LRB article to explain why:

Martin Amis’s newest book, House of Meetings, is a short novel that purportedly describes conditions inside a Soviet forced labour camp. A sick and malingering prisoner is confined to an isolation chamber, where he squats on a bench for a week over ‘knee-deep bilge’. A blind-drunk guard, a woman-beater, spends the night outside at forty degrees below – and wakes up, frost-mangled, without any hands. The inmates hack one another apart with machine-tools. There are ‘vicings, awlings, lathings, manic jackhammerings, atrocious chisellings’. It’s notable that the first and last of these particular gerunds – ‘vicings’, ‘chisellings’ – have a specific metaphorical purchase: they allude to the male jaw. Reaching for an analogy to sum up the violence, the narrator recalls a crocodile fight he once saw in a zoo: a sudden flailing, a terrible whiplash; then, ‘after half a second’, one of the crocs is over in the corner, ‘rigid and half-dead with shock’, its upper jaw missing. Prisoners on prisoners, guards on prisoners, prisoners on guards: it’s peculiar to find a polemicist who – plainly – wants irrefutably to prove the injustice of the Soviet system but doesn’t at the same time take the polemical trouble to distinguish between victims and perpetrators of violence, and to deal with them accordingly. Amis isn’t Dante. There are no heroic, reasonably virtuous political dissidents among the denizens of his Arctic inferno. Instead, there is an endless round of indiscriminate tortures, indiscriminately administered: those justly and Islamofascistically severed hands, those sexually frenzied jackhammerings, those mechanically vicious ‘lathings’. Defacement and defilement are everywhere in Amis’s camp. They infect the language.

House of Meetings only ‘purportedly’ describes conditions at Norilsk, not because the account isn’t accurate – though it isn’t – but because description isn’t the novel’s purpose, which is to hope for the moral redemption of his sub-Nabokovian, ex-rapist narrator. At the age of 86, he is returning to the site of his internment on a less than pleasant river-cruise Gulag tour. He has gorged in America, he has had marriages, has made piles of money; now, as he crosses the Arctic Circle, his ‘eyes, in the Conradian sense, have stopped being Western and started being Eastern’. This is the cue for confession. He addresses his account to his perfect American stepdaughter, who can’t begin to understand the reasons for his twistedness. He tries to make things flippantly plain. ‘You see, kid,’ he begins, ‘the conscience is a vital organ, and not an extra like the tonsils or the adenoids.’ Part of his story depends on his relationship with his brother, Lev, an ugly runt who – he found, on Lev’s arrival at the camp in 1948 – had unaccountably married the only girl he wanted: Zoya, also known as ‘the Americas’, being curvaceously shaped like them. The old man’s confession circles and skirts a central event that is not fully unveiled until the novel’s end: this turns out to be a baroquely paradisal reunion between Lev and Zoya, which takes place – in 1956, with the camp rules now relaxed – in a small wooden hut known as the House of Meetings. On the windowsill the narrator notices something peculiar, ‘much magnified, now, by a lens-like swelling in the glass. It was a test tube, with rounded base, kept upright by a hand-carved wooden frame. A single stemless wildflower floated in it, overflowed it – an amorous burgundy. I remember thinking that it looked like an experiment on the male idea. A poetic experiment, perhaps, but still an experiment.’ Amis’s ‘experiment on the male idea’ wants to be the idyllic obverse to what he thinks of as the gruesome ‘Soviet experiment’. But, in its ‘amorous burgundy’, this sign of the male idea is pretty gruesome itself.

And it struggles to survive, because human effluent and mashed-up body parts are the base the book is built on.


It's not Levi, is it? It's not Nabokov either, and it couldn't be because there's no sense of humour save for forced-affected grim-chinned sarcasm, and it's not Dostoyevsky because with Dostoyevsky one gets a sense of hands being thrown up in despair, not someone blustering at you smugly. It's a banal load of blood and bilge, it's analogous to, but not as good as, your Hollywood slasher film or a shock tabloid story, and underneath it all is this tin-pot message of 'east vs west', with east (Communist here, elsewhere in the Amisverse Islamic) being evil and foul. And this is supposed to qualify as some kind of intellectual statement.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
14:47 / 20.11.07
Thanks for the thoughtful post, AAR, as steering the thread in a more interesting direction. I'm not sure that it is, pace the LRB reviewer's comments, a valid criticism to identify Amis' decision not to include a heroic, reasonably virtuous political dissident among the cast of HOM. Surely what he's getting at is that the camps brutalize almost everybody, 'goodies' and 'baddies' alike? (We should note that the character of Lev, while not a heroic, reasonably virtuous political dissident, greets his incarceration in the camp with dignity and humanity). Sounds to me that what the LRB writer wants is something closer to The Shawshank Redemption.

AAR, are there any Amis novels that you actually like?
 
 
The Falcon
20:01 / 22.11.07
McEwan? Wank.

Fischer? Good guy.
 
 
Janean Patience
21:18 / 22.11.07
Ask me whose novels I'd rather read, though, and it ain't gonna be Fischer's. The Thought Gang? Mannered, self-conscious bullshit. The Cement Garden? Incredibly powerful, like nothing before or since.

Fischer's been lauded for that one review more than for any book he's written. Attack the right target.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:37 / 22.11.07
I'm not sure what it is about that Tibor Fischer piece that endears exactly, Mr F. It reads like something that a number of people on Barbelith might have written about Grant Morrison, but, y'know, only as a joke.

Except that Fischer appears to be serious. He's been trying to pursue this feud (based on the idea that Amis should be passing on the torch to the next literary generation, ie, Fischer, by accepting smaller advances and demanding less coverage in the national press, as if that's going to happen) for the last three years, and that aside, I'm not sure what the fact that Fischer was once effectively canned by Martin Amis' former agent has got to do with anything, really. In my other life as an aspiring novelist and non-internet Trickster figure, I've in effect, sacked my agent at PFD, but only after a somewhat troubling, forty minute discussion about my book 'Beer, Football and Shagging', which ended with him asking me what drugs I was taking.

This being nothing to do with 'Time's Arrow' or whatever, if you see what I mean.

More about Amis later, but briefly, I don't think he means any of this stuff about Islamism. He should have been asked, as a 'thought experiment' how he'd have felt about his comments if 'Jew' had been substituted for 'Muslim'; that he apparently wasn't pulled up on this seems like lazy journalism, but after a certain amount of blustering, I''m pretty sure he'd have retracted. Or at least, have gone ballistic about it, and then felt terrible afterwards.
 
  

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