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New Rough Trade megastore

 
  

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illmatic
18:20 / 29.03.07
Rough Trade to open massive record shop.

I really cannot wait for this. A canny response to internet dominance, hitting the tourists/hipster market. All they need to do is hit Selectadisc's pricing policy - and winner! all round.

All the more reason to stay where I'm living now.

Will you go?
 
 
rizla mission
20:54 / 29.03.07
Whether I like it or not, the lord of record shopping decrees that I will go.

Where is this going to be? Any further info?
 
 
haus of fraser
21:43 / 29.03.07
I heard brick lane.... seemed like a weird location for a superstore though?

Trying to cash in on the fopp success no doubt.

Whats folks thoughts on fopp chain- i like it. Good prices, good selection, lots of vinyl, brazil and requiem for a dream for a fiver, tom waits back catalogue for a fiver a pop- whats not to like?
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
08:09 / 30.03.07
That link isn't working on my computer. Could someone pop it up again so I can have a look?

Quite interested in this...
 
 
rizla mission
08:50 / 30.03.07
This link should hopefully work.

It's an interesting notion... the thought of the culturally-significant-but-economically-invisible Rough Trade opening "the biggest music only store in Britain" - so presumably bigger than the biggest HMVs and Virgins - isn't so much "ambitious" as totally insane.

Except that, hang on, HMV and Virgin, and Fopp for that matter, sell movies and books and whatnot too, so "biggest music ONLY store" could effectively just equal = bigger than any other indie stores, eg, not really that insanely big.

Also, I think it goes without saying that a giant super-shop run along the same lines as the current Rough Trade shops would be a complete disaster.

I mean, Rough Trade is good, but it is a)EXPENSIVE; no cheapo stuff or bargain offers - they essentially rely upon dedicated music fans picking up exactly what they need for £14.99 a pop, and b)SELECTIVE; snobbish and kinda elitest as it is to admit it, half of RT's appeal is that it has No Crap - for the most part, they don't stock media-hyped albums by obviously crap bands on majors, or at least when they do, they don't put them out on display or give 'em any special priviledges or order lots of copies etc. - they seem to take pride more in drawing attention to 'staff picks' with nice hand-written labels etc.

Factor in c)stocking as much vinyl as they do CDs, and it's clear that any 'mega-store' run upon these principles would be shot for meat within the week.

So yeah, sadly I'd imagine we will probably be looking at a shop based on a slightly indie-ized Fopp model... stack up the big hit albums and major label back catalogue stuff for tasty prices at the front, and retain yr indie cred by keeping an average/expensive selection of random independent label stuff stashed in the racks at the back.

On the other hand, reading Geoff Travis in the above link comparing the new venture to Ameoba Records (in L.A. - possibly the best record shop in the world?) makes me tremble with excitement, but then, a)Geoff is not running things and b)it would be EXTREMELY difficult to open a shop like Amoeba right off the bat. For those who haven't been there, Amoeba essentially operate a mixed new / 2nd hand shop on a MASSIVE scale, pushing down the price of the new CDs (buying in bulk or whatever), so that it hovers just above the 2nd hand price, so you can basically track down whatever obscure few-years-old release you're looking for and grab it 2nd hand for $5, or failing that, new at $8. Lovely thought but.. not going to happen.

Gosh, maybe I think about this nonsense too much - it even sounds like I have a clue in hell what I'm talking about!
 
 
rizla mission
09:26 / 30.03.07
Whats folks thoughts on fopp chain- i like it. Good prices, good selection, lots of vinyl, brazil and requiem for a dream for a fiver, tom waits back catalogue for a fiver a pop- whats not to like?

I do end up buying a whole bunch of stuff at Fopp, largely in terms of stocking up on hoary ol' rock albums and suchlike, but I wouldn't exactly say I LIKE the place.

It's a bit more progressive and useful than HMV/Virgin, but I, like most people I suspect, basically just use it as a glorified bargain basement shack for major label back catalogue stuff (hm, I'm bored and have a tenner... what Kinks and Edgar Broughton Band albums don't I got yet??).

It doesn't really fulfil the requirements traditionally expected of a good record shop re: providing you with the newly released records yr looking for at a competitive price, or promoting genuinely interesting/worthwhile new releases. Get past the bargains (and there ARE some pretty good ones from time to time), and the racks are mediocre at best.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:41 / 01.04.07
Hm, I'm bored and have a tenner... what Kinks and Edgar Broughton Band albums don't I got yet??

That's very much my experience of the place as well. On the other hand, it must be a godsend if you're young, impressionable and a bit short of cash; realistically, you can walk out of most branches with some of the greatest art, damnit, of the Twentieth century for a fiver each.

All right, Fopp is a bit guilty of promoting the slightly limiting, and worse still boring idea of a canon, where everyone's basically got the same stuff, but then again, shouldn't everyone have a copy of 'Forever Changes', 'Naked Lunch' and so on?

Hopefully the Rough Trade store will appeal to the more jaded/discerning music fan though - I'll do it if pushed, but I really don't like getting anything off the internet, because it takes all the fun out of a Saturday afternoon shopping trip, considering your booty in the pub afterwards, etc. This being a fatally flawed process if none of the shops you've been to have got what you're after in stock. Because they're owned by dangerously ill people with the ear of the government.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:59 / 01.04.07
I think this is a GREAT thing. Mostly because one of my friends at work, who is the ultimate music snob, hates it. "But... but... people will be able to just walk in off the street and buy stuff because they think they like it., and they shouldn't even BE in there... they don't really GET it..."

Yeah, fuck you, dude. Even though you're my friend, I'll buy tons of shit in there, just to piss you off, because your attitude offends me.
 
 
illmatic
07:26 / 02.04.07
Riz, I think you have exactly nailed what Fopp is like and my reasons for discomfort with the place. It'll be really interesting to see how the new Rough Trade shop manages to straddle this divide while preserving their, ugh, "brand" (shoot me now).

I'm really hoping for a second hand section. More and more new and second hand shops are going to the wall in London - one of the Reckless shops on Berwick Street is now shut (the dance music one is was still open on Saturday). Electronica specialist Smallfish on Old Street has recently closed as well. I'm really hoping that Selectadisc/Sister Ray doesn't shut, because I'd slit my own throat before going shopping in HMV or Virgin. They have reasonable stock but it's so expensive it makes my eyes burn.

On a wildly off-topic note, 'cos of my job I end up chatting to lots of kids about music etc. It's strange because the whole idea of music consumption as something physical - Saturday afternoon, shopping, "digging in the crates", building a collection, getting bored with the whole thing and dislocating your tibula carrying it down to the Record and Tape exchange - just isn't there anymore. It's a much more ephemeral activity - don't know what this says about music consumption in the long run.
 
 
rizla mission
09:04 / 02.04.07
Yeah, I was pretty sad to notice that the Reckless shop on Berwick St has closed - I really liked that shop, it had a great selection of 2nd hand CDs and some cool, reasonably priced vinyl, and it sold fanzines and Jeffrey Lewis comics.

In fact, looking around it seems that record shops and their associated cultures have really died a death in the past couple of years... every shop I used to like in London (apart from Rough Trade) has closed down or turned into a generic, inferior shop (Selectadisc, Reckless, whatever that decent shop in Camden was called, I forget..), as have the distinctive shops I knew/liked in other UK cities.

Generally I can't really say I've given much of a damn about all the panic over file-sharing and the demise of the music industry and so on.... but it's sad that indepedent record shops seem to be the first casualties.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:42 / 02.04.07
Whatever that decent shop in Camden was called, I forget.

I forget too, but that was a bit of a disaster. I suppose the writing was on the wall when they painted the place brown, but did Camden really need yet another disorganised shop full of records and CDs that people didn't like very much, instead of somewhere that used to be world famous for stocking interesting used vinyl (hip hop bands from the States would often make a point of stopping off there, if they were touring) as well as whatever seemed good out of the contemporary releases.
 
 
Mike Modular
14:54 / 04.04.07
Do you mean Rhythm Records?
 
 
rizla mission
15:03 / 04.04.07
Yeah, that's the one - knew it was something beginning with "R".
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
17:53 / 04.04.07
Ah, that idea of a Rough Trade superstore sounds quite good, in a wow! Look at all those cool records kind of way. Realistically though, I do wonder if it is in any way economically viable. If they have to follow the Fopp model, then that just sounds like a disaster, and crap too, for all the reasons Rizla outlines. And will the Rough Trade Shops in Neal's Yard and Talbot Street remain open?

Brick Lane doesn't sound like th ideal location either, but maybe that's just for me - I suppose Liverpool Street tube/rail station is nearby as well as a ton of buses.

I'm about to visit Amoeba in LA, so it will be interesting to see such a huge record shop in action.

Sad to hear of Reckless's passing too. I suppose the writing was on the wall when the Islington shop - possibly my all-time favourite record shop - closed a few years back.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
08:13 / 05.04.07
Brick Lane is absolutely seething on a Sunday, at any time of year but particularly in the summer - I imagine the potential footfall is very large, though it does depend to an extent on where the shop is going to be (there are several quite large, empty units on Brick Lane itself, and also some others in the Truman Brewery complex). The rest of the week, not quite so hot.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
17:13 / 05.04.07
I'm assuming it'll be located in the Truman Brewery complex, which seems like the logical place for it to go. Both the London shops are in very popular shopping areas, so it makes sense I suppose to have it somewhere similar like Brick Lane, which as you say it teeming on the weekends. Portobello Road is also much busier at the weekends than during the week.

Good luck to them - let's just hope it doesn't break RTS.
 
 
rizla mission
11:29 / 29.06.07
Just thought it might be worth bumping this thread, what with the news this week that Fopp - held up earlier in the discussion as a model of expanding record shop success - have rather dramatically declared bankruptcy, closed their shops and laid off their staff without paying them for the past month's work.

Without even the good grace to have a desperate closing down sale first!

Not that I'm a massive fan of the chain, as mentioned earlier, but this is still a downer whichever way you look at it, and a must be a terrifying omen for anyone else working in music sales in the UK.

HMV profits are in nosedive too apparently, and they're throwing out all kinds of laughably poor ideas for "rejuvenating" their business, and rumour has it that Virgin shops are also running at a loss and being kept afloat by money from other Virgin enterprises.

So, in light of all that.... I wish the Rough Trade Megastore luck. : (
 
 
Mike Modular
12:12 / 29.06.07
Yikes, I heard something like that about about Fopp last week. So it's all true then. Bugger. I was quite fond of it, it served its purpose (cheap, good for catching up on your collections) though I probably bought more DVDs than music from there.

I'm as happy/curious for the new RT store as anyone here, but will miss the Covent Garden one (which closes once the new one's open) as that was my main music resource when I first moved to London town, many moons ago...
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
12:23 / 29.06.07
Okay, well, I suppose it's alright to chip in now, seeing as it's been anounced and all that. The trouble Fopp was in was well known amongst those in the biz around about this time last year, and rumours of bankruptcy have been pretty constant since they first started their expansion.

Same goes for HMV re: their music provision, which they have constantly been threatening to abandon completely. Looks increasingly likely now. I do fear for Rough Trade's new enterprise.
 
 
rizla mission
12:36 / 29.06.07
Sad to hear the Covent Garden RT shop will be going. I really like that place.

I rather foresee a situation in a year or two when someone will be standing in central London, thinking "I really wanna buy a record - where's a decent place in which I can do so?" and the answer will be "NOWHERE".
 
 
illmatic
12:54 / 29.06.07
I rather foresee a situation in a year or two when someone will be standing in central London, thinking "I really wanna buy a record - where's a decent place in which I can do so?" and the answer will be "NOWHERE".

Yes, apart from getting fucked through the nose by Richard Branson's ludicrous overcharging. Let it never be said the big record companies don't deserve it.

Anyway, the new Rough Trade place will be on Drapers Wharf (next to the Big Chill Bar) which is a great spot for them, it's the busiest street in the area, but still...
 
 
Saveloy
13:45 / 29.06.07
I imagine RT are counting on being the one place that Rizla's imaginary record shopper can go to - mopping up all the customers who weren't sufficient in number to keep the chains going but enough to sustain one large, well-known shop.

I won't be sad to see HMV and Virgin ditch music - they never bloody have anything I want anyway. Thank fuck for Amazon.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
14:13 / 29.06.07
And don't forget Play, who often beat Amazon on price thanks to free delivery.

I do feel that the supposed record buyer standing in central London isn't going to suddenly think "I know! Brick Lane - of course!" and nip down there on the not-quite-yet-extant tube (as an aside, does anyone much use the Whitechapel underground station to get to Brick Lane these days? Just curious, really).

Thinking about it, I would like to go and buy the new Shellac album without ordering it online, so I should damn well hie myself to Covent Garden RT one more time to say cheerio. Oh, and drop some flyers off.

Shame about Fopp for the reasons given above - it was always a good place to browse for cheap stuff on the off chance. I never did step inside their Camden megastore though - was it any good?
 
 
Blake Head
14:45 / 29.06.07
Heard about this last week when (apparently) Fopp told publishers they weren't taking any more orders from publishers for their books range, and walking around today both their stores in Edinburgh were closed. Sad. Not under any illusions about them that great, but as above, good for picking up back catalogue stuff for cheap; wish I'd had a chance to go back in "one last time" and grab some last bargains.

There are even less places here to pick up cheap records than London I imagine, looks like it's down to Avalanche and the second-hand shops - I wonder how this will effect towns where Fopp were, or had become, the main alternative to the big chains.
 
 
haus of fraser
15:44 / 29.06.07
I'm slightly gutted about Fopp- i'd got a little complacent about cheap classic albums- those next payday records will have to wait. I know i can get stuff from amazon, but i loved browsing for records in my lunchbreak and finding things by accident.

I'd be a little nervous if i were thinking of setting up the Rough trade shop... anybody know when it opens?
 
 
_pin
20:25 / 29.06.07
Everything said about Fopp here has been very right, obv., but I'm sad to see them leave this town after less then a year. How many did they have before the expansion? I overheard the news today saying 105 stores are closing down - that's a fucking load, and surely partly the problem?

But yes, I was killing some time there, waiting for the tattooist to get back from lunch, and then again for the comic shop to fucking processes the fucking delivery already, and it was, for just such very purposes, and very useful thing to have.

"Oh, that looks nice" - put it back - "Oh, I have all those albums" - stop looking through them - "Oh, how is that book only three quid." Etc.

In other news; I have no opinion about the new Rough Trade that is worth having until I see it open, but I will miss Covent Garden very much. The shit little stairs! The water cooler! The crippling in-store appearances! The dark! The stuff of dreams! Post-apocalyptic indie kid survivalist dreams!
 
 
rizla mission
17:41 / 30.06.07
Yes. Those being the only kind of dreams my Barbelith persona has.

Tis a fine shop.
 
 
johnnymonolith
22:04 / 02.08.07
According to this article Fopp and six of its stores have been bought by HMV and will reopen very soon. Good news, I think.
 
 
illmatic
05:22 / 03.08.07
The new Rough Trade is now open, I may give it a visit later today.
 
 
Saveloy
14:13 / 09.08.07
Come on, someone must have tried it out by now. Wossit like?
 
 
illmatic
08:34 / 10.08.07
I've been there. Big, spacious, light. Nice cafe space, conducive to hanging around. Loads of vinyl, repress stuff, rather than second hand (a good thing as far as I'm concerned - second hand shops tend to have piles of shit and dead stock). Big CD sections on all the genres you'd think they'd cover, though not as extensive and mind boggling a selction as you might expect. Apparently, though they haven't got all the stock in yet.

My purchases were:

The Very Best of Ethiopiques (awesome double CD of Ethiopiques label - Ethiopian 70s funk and jazz from the 60s and 70s)
Boredoms: Super Roots 1 (30 minutes of The Boredoms shouting, farting and hitting synthisers. Maybe it'll grow on me.)

Annoyingly, out of the shop for 10 minutes and I thought of about 900 other things I wanted as is always the way.
 
 
illmatic
08:35 / 10.08.07
So, I didn't find it as exciting as the Covent Garden shop. But I'm sure it'll get there. My parter wasn't bored either, which is normally par for the course waiting for me in record shops.
 
 
Bandini
08:40 / 10.08.07
Sorry, perhaps off topic. But in general you'd really rather have repress vinyl in a shop than second hand?

Surely one of the joys of record collecting is the digging and the fact there is a seemingly infinite amount of albums out there rather than just those that were deemed in the canon worthy of a reissue?
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
09:56 / 10.08.07
Roy, if you want that immediate Boredoms rush you'd be better off going straight for 'Super 7'.

Trust me, I know these things.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
10:42 / 10.08.07
(Super 7 seconded, as is 3 and 5, for the full-on intensity of the relentless spacerockerama.)

Ahem, yes, I have to go there sometime soon, if only to buy the new Shellac album.
 
  

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