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Quantum
11:51 / 20.03.07
Two full length feature horror movies written by Quentin Tarantino & Robert Rodriguez put together as a two film features, including fake movie trailers in between both movies.

Edgar Wright has done one of the fake trailers (allegedly Pegg & Frost are in it but are unrecognisable) as have Rob Zombie and Eli Roth.
 
 
Quantum
11:58 / 20.03.07
Sorry, hit post too soon- here's a Guardian review, the release date looks to be the sixth of April, the main character has a machine-gun for a leg...

Grindhouse=a genre of films that typically sacrifice the traditional notions of artistic merit for a more sensationalistic display, often featuring excessive sex, violence, and gore.

w00t!
 
 
Sniv
17:38 / 20.03.07
Holy Moley that looks like a fun film. Trailer here.

Rose McGowan with a machinegun stuck to her missing leg looks worth the price of entry alone. I'd say of the two, Rodriguez's 'Planet Terror' looks like the winner of the bunch, but I love schlocky Zombie movies anyway, so I'm sold.

It looks like, even more than the controversial Kill Bill, these films are designed to appeal to a certain audience while horrifying others. I wonder if there'll be a tabloid shitstorm over this, or if they'll be able to see the humour in it? There does look like there'll be a lot of 'objectional' content in these movies, a rarity in today's hollywood output. Or is that just the marketing spin? Will it really be a nasty as those old movies, or will it be just like a modern horror movie, but with added grime and intentionally wobbly sets? I for one can't wait, it looks like it'll be a laugh at the very least.
 
 
Sniv
17:47 / 20.03.07
Interview goodness here and here.
 
 
matthew.
18:03 / 20.03.07
I'm more interested in the fake trailers than the features. The fake movies they're promoting are far more interesting than "Planet Terror"
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
00:21 / 21.03.07
Is Tarantino planning on doing another "serious" film at any point? I'm not complaining or judging, just wondering...
 
 
Essential Dazzler
08:45 / 21.03.07
Tarantino has made "serious films"?

"Less honest films" is more appropriate, surely?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
08:48 / 21.03.07
"Imade you something" *HEDSPOLDES*

Planet Terror looks far more intereting than Death Proof, looks like the change of pace in the two films'll match the one in Kill Bill.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
12:54 / 07.04.07
This movie was so good. The first one, Planet Terror was some wild ass zombie goodness. Rodriguez just went over the top with everything, didn't hold back one cheesy line, didn't hold back any over the top violence or sick gore. Rose McGowan was like a superhero/ninja and it was just fun all around. The violence and gore was so bad that I was amazed it wasn't NC17.

Tarantino's Death Proof started off a lot slower, a ton of Quentin dialogue the first fifteen minutes it seemed, without the usual wit. I was about to lose interest, but then Kurt Russel aka Stuntman Mike shows up and starts stealing every scene he's in. And when the car chase begins in the second half you are on the edge of your seat. The car scene is so fucking good, and the ending is great.

The fake coming attractions were also really funny. Eli Roth's Thanksgiving had everyone in the place cracking up, and Rob Zombie's Nazi bimbo werewolf one was also good.

This movie is a little over three hours, and there is maybe one fifteen minute scene in the whole thing where the action isn't going full speed. Definetely a lot of movie for your buck.
 
 
CameronStewart
13:46 / 07.04.07
Agreed, a hugely entertaining night at the theatre. Both movies are great, but I'm going to have to give the award to Death Proof. Planet Terror is really fun, very well made, and a real crowd pleaser, but it's kind of just a goofy, one-note gimmick, but I thought that Death Proof went beyond mere pastiche and really brought something new to the table. It does start off very slowly, there's Tarantino's usual 15-minute restaurant-conversation scenes, but I think they're essential for building the audience's attachment to the characters, so that later when the film kicks into high gear there's a real, visceral thrill that Planet Terror lacked. And once again Tarantino displays his uncanny ability to dredge up obscure old pop songs and use them in jaw-droppingly brilliant ways.

Definitely worth every penny of admission.
 
 
Mistoffelees
20:56 / 07.04.07
I´ve just found out, that most countries will get the two movies in two separate releases. Germany for example gets Death Proof in june, and Planet Terror in july. As if it´s not bad enough, that I´ll have to wait for more than two months, I only get half the show! %Now that´ll really turn people away from downloading movies.%

This is really frustrating. They can manage a worldwide release for Spider-Man 3 and POTC3, but they´re not able to grind out Planet Terror on schedule? Grrrr, Mist smash!
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
22:19 / 07.04.07
They only have it here in Sherbrooke in a dubbed French version. Which I'm actually considering going to see, as I think it might make it even MORE '70s to see it poorly dubbed.

This is warring with my strong feelings about never supporting dubbed movies, which I hate and think are a crime against actors.

Unfortunately Quebec is very stupid about subtitles. Unlike the rest of the planet. So while I'm tempted, I think I'm going to have to wait for DVD.
 
 
This Sunday
22:57 / 07.04.07
I'm waiting until it's on DVD and then putting it through a projection-device of some kind, to watch it bigscreen with friends, chemically-suffused and exhausted, at about two in the morning. The way these sort of movies were meant to be watched.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
00:50 / 08.04.07
daytripper, you got it. after learning we might get is as two movies i even considered downloading the single movie, but i'm an advocate for going to theaters for the shared social experience and there's no best flick to do that this year then GRINDHOUSE.

i suspect it'll restore my faith in Quentin. not good to know about the 15 first minutes of Death Proof...

i had blood in my eyes at the middle of KILL BILL 2; for god sakes, can't someone tell him those dialogues are boring and only make the characters sound the same [like major video\comicstore nerds]?

i have faith in GRINDHOUSE also as it looks unapologeticaly meta and derivative, unafraid to submit to its influences, actually proud of it - unlike any of QT's past flicks.

please excuse the nerdgasm... i can't help myself.
 
 
CameronStewart
01:41 / 08.04.07
Trust me, Death Proof is awesome.
 
 
This Sunday
02:03 / 08.04.07
I know Tarantino's hyping it - as he did 'Kill Bill' - as not so much real movies, but movies people in movies go see. Which is beautiful and sums up how much of my prose works. So, of course, I'm going to have to steal it.

There should be a whole genre for that though. The only examples I can think of are mostly anime. 'Nadesico' actually allowed you to watch scenes (and the movie) of 'Gekigangar 3' and the 'Macross' movies are actually fictionalised movies in the regular 'Macross' (TV) world. 'Married with Children' had 'Psycho Dad' but we never got to see an episode. Visually, there are cartoons that use live-action or another style of animation to represent TV animation in-world, or paintings that contain a painting or postcard or something done in a different style.

There should be a genre of these. It bears repeating. Mainly, because eventually someone would do it with music and I really want to hear a song in songworld.
 
 
TimCallahan
02:33 / 08.04.07
Grindhouse will recreate all cinema in its own image.

It will actually come to your house and teach you how to love. It will make you french toast every morning, and it will buy you a new set of throwing stars for your ninja weapon collection.

I saw it yesterday and it made me want to burn every Jane Austen movie ever produced.
 
 
Mug Chum
04:36 / 08.04.07
As being myself a french toast lover, Callahan, that's a bold statement.

I'm effin' thrilled to see this movie, have no idea what to expect, and the prospect that here in my country it'll come by as two separate movies (can't even imagine how they'll do with the short films/fake previews), I'm inclined to download the fucking thing and have a screening session with altered-state friends as well.

Seriously, while a entire world can be given opportunity to converge and watch in the same day a goth two-legged spider, but something as simple as showing a movie in it's original intent being not possible, even if months late... that's just sinful and it pisses me off. Is this an attempt for profit from the distributors, or is there something in the original presentation that most world-wide theaters are not prepared for? I really can't understand...

Jesus, the whole thing is announced as "back to back harcore thrills" (f'sake, the poster could have been Tarantino and Rodriguez posing back to back to each other nerdly holding guns dangerously!)
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:01 / 09.04.07
i trust you, Cameron.
 
 
tickspeak
18:28 / 09.04.07
SPOILERS????




Those who have seen Death Proof: what do you think about accusations of misogyny in Tarantino's work? I think there's something to be said (Brian Wood makes a case here) for his fetishization of violence against women (as Rose MacGowan points out in a TimeOut interview, for which I don't have a link, "He likes seeing women get roughed up.")--in Death Proof you've got the horrific four-times-repeated car crash and Lee getting left with the redneck (which was the only scene I found really unacceptable), but I'm tempted to claim that Death Proof is actually an examination of those impulses and ends on a note of warning to those young men who might take such images for granted--men who, like Stuntman Mike, claim to be "just playing" while getting off on brutal fantasies. It seems clear to me that Tarantino has a history of writing unexamined and problematic sexual and racial material. What was your response in this case?
 
 
Seth
19:17 / 09.04.07
I don't think the ending of the movie is a warning, particularly. I think he just got a kick out of the Buffy-style role reversal, but as in Buffy there's no serious critique going on. The four girls who triumph over Stuntman Mike are a particularly Whedonesque male fantasy: sexy, quipping, assertive, hard as nails, full of geeky references so he can feel attractive to his creation. I can't see there being a lot more meat to it than that, and although I can see Tarantino wanting to use it as counterevidence to the standard charges made against him it's really business as usual. He's just created a few women that he'd want to fuck is all, and had them kick some stereotype nasty male ass to supposedly contrast against people's perceptions of him as writer/director and get himself all horny in the process.

Great movies, by the way. Really good dumb fun.
 
 
vajramukti
21:40 / 09.04.07
well, when quentin tarantino, who is well know for his generally purient, borderline racist and morally indefenisible subject matter, decides to make a tribute to a whole genre of racist, excessively violent, sexist, morally indefensible, all- around-exploitive films... if you're trying to mount a serious critique of THAT, you are almost certainly barking up the wrong tree, one would think.

about all you could really say is that if a marquee, director such as him, with a sizable audience and obvious influence wants to draw people to this stuff, then that might be cause for concern.

but there's probably no point trying to defend his artistic choices in this matter, or not, because they are, almost by definition, in this case, indefensible.


...that said, the portrayal of stunman mike as a squealing, cowardly, punching bag when the tables are turned, could be seen as proof of some kind of pro feminist slant in the work. I think QT has a jones for tough chicks. There's not a lot of mystery to it. And it's not like they don't exist, either, cause QT goes out of his way to point out that Death Proof stars Super Tough Chick Zoe Bell as Herself.
 
 
Mark Parsons
07:19 / 10.04.07
AWESOME, awesome, fun, amazing movie which sadly TANKED HORRIBLY in the US, at least in its first weekend. Alas, alack, the middle and southern states did not "get" it the way urban areas did. F*cking RUBES!
 
 
FinderWolf
15:11 / 10.04.07
They're talking about splitting the movies up, releasing them in the US as two separate films. Kinda sucks...
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
15:52 / 10.04.07
Before reading anyone else's opinion, let me say this:

Grindhouse was a fucking blast. I haven't had so much fun at a movie in forever. The trailers between were the best bits--and I'm seriously starting to worry a bit about Eli Roth--and Rodriguez's movie was loads better than Tarantino's movie. Tarantino's dialogue no longer interests me and his feature was awesome only when the car chases happened.

Rose McGowan was my new sexy heroine for an hour and a half. Ace.

The reason why they are breaking them up into two separate movies overseas is because apparently foreign audiences are unfamiliar with double features.

The only way this movie would have been better was if I'd seen it at the drive-in.
 
 
CameronStewart
17:00 / 10.04.07
>>>The reason why they are breaking them up into two separate movies overseas is because apparently foreign audiences are unfamiliar with double features.<<<

I think this is bullshit - I've never seen a real grindhouse double-feature in my life but all it took was a simple explanation of the concept and I was on board. There was nothing to "get" and I'm sure Euro audiences would be able to understand it just fine. Far more likely that it's to double revenues in a smaller market.

And due to Grindhouse's terrible showing at the box office this past weekend, they are apparently seriously considering splitting the films for North America, to lure people to see them with the shorter running time.
 
 
Spaniel
17:50 / 10.04.07
They're going to split 'em up in Europe?

FUCK OFF!

I can bloody well assure those boorish brother twunts that Europeans are more than bloody capable of getting their heads around this stuff. But, yes, as Cameron says, it's not really about us getting it, it's about us shelling out more cash.

Here's hoping my local art house cinema will be running 'em back to back a few months after they're released. Not impossible, thank God.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
01:20 / 11.04.07
- Harvey Very Disappointed; May Re-Release 'Grindhouse' As 2 Pics

- came in fourth with a $11 million gross on 2624 screens with a running time of three hours and 12 minutes.

- Rodriguez shot his zombie splatterfest "Planet Terror" at his Austin-basedTroublemaker Studios. When he fell in love with his femme fatale star Rose McGowan, he broke up his marriage of 16 years to producer Elizabeth Avellan. The production had to shut down for a month while he recovered. [...]

This time, instead of one movie for the price of two with "Kill Bill," says Tarantino, "'Grindhouse' is two for the price of one."

"That's when they killed me," says Harvey.[...]

"Just leave it to me," veteran ratings wrangler Tarantino told the Weinsteins.


- high costs and a longer than planned running time, which meant fewer showings per day. Despite a promise to the Weinsteins to deliver a double feature of sub-sixty minute mini movies, Rodriguez and Tarantino insisted that "Planet Terror" and "Death Proof" ought to be longer.
 
 
vajramukti
01:48 / 11.04.07
I would be deeply dissapointed if they decided to split it up and release it as two movies. it clearly isn't. It's ONE LONG MOVIE with two stories and several short concept flashes in it. there have been plenty of anthology movies before, like creepshow, or the twilight zone. this is much like that. it's a total experience that's meant to impart a certain feeling. you're supposed to sit there just a little longer than you feel comfortable, you're supposed to be a bit tired at the end, you're supposed to feel slightly unnerved by the abrupt ending.

the nice thing about planet terror is that it's just familiar enough to build the rest of the thing around. it's not far from something like shaun of the dead, really. but around that you wrap these profoundly disturbing, loopy trailers, and then the truly weird and disorienting death proof, which really really truly captures that feeling of the old horror exploitation films, the best of which leave you with the slightly violated feeling of something like 'I spit on your grave' or 'last house on the left'. you really do feel exploited in some way watching them, or that somebody is being exploited, anyway. I for one almost gave up on ever seeing movies like that made again. It's not exactly commercial, or especially admirable, morally, but when you see it, you know you've been somewhere, and that's rare these days in movies.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:58 / 11.04.07
I hear they're officially splitting 'em up in the US, starting soon...
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
18:10 / 11.04.07
Hey, don't act like I was the one who gave the order to split 'em up overseas. Christ.
 
 
CameronStewart
18:17 / 11.04.07
...I don't think anyone is, Kali. Relax.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
18:21 / 11.04.07
Sorry.

I have to admit I am disappointed I live in a world where Will Ferrell films make more money than good old-fashioned Z-movie fun.

And I heard a rumour that the response to the "Machete" faux-trailer was so overwhelming, they're actually making a movie. Anyone heard about that?
 
 
Triplets
18:43 / 11.04.07
Nice way to spoil Machete for me, Kali. Now when I go to see it I'll know it's already been made. God.
 
 
Seth
19:07 / 11.04.07
Let's not get reactionary and start dissing Ferrell.

He's the man who made me what I am today.
 
  

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