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grant
18:33 / 31.10.07
Exodus 28:30 is what I was thinking of, yes - although there are more oblique references in later books (in Samuel & Kings, as well as other places as the "ephod").
 
 
EvskiG
18:35 / 31.10.07
They're sometimes called the Urim (ורים) and Tummim (תמים).

They're also discussed in Numbers 27:21: "He shall stand before Eleazar the priest (kohen) and seek (advice from) him through the judgment of the Urim before the Lord."

Funny thing -- no one's quite sure what they were.

The Talmud said they were the stones engraved with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel mentioned in Exodus 28:21 (which makes sense, since it's right next to the section dealing with the high priest's breastplate). When a question was asked, one commentator said that the answer was spelled out in the letters of the names of the tribes: the relevant letters would change from concave to convex one by one. Another commentator said that the letters of the tribes rearranged to spell out the answer in words.

Seems likely that they were white and black stones used -- only by the High Priest in the Temple in Jerusalem -- for divination. May have been used for binary, yes-or-no questions. (White for yes, black for no, or vice-versa.) Follow-up questions could refine the answer.
 
 
jentacular dreams
18:44 / 07.11.07
Interesting. The only other figure I know of that could come close to becoming a priest-king is Solomon, the king who built the Temple.

Uzziah gave it a go in 2 Chronicles 26

16 But after Uzziah became powerful, his pride led to his downfall. He was unfaithful to the LORD his God, and entered the temple of the LORD to burn incense on the altar of incense. 17 Azariah the priest with eighty other courageous priests of the LORD followed him in. 18 They confronted him and said, "It is not right for you, Uzziah, to burn incense to the LORD. That is for the priests, the descendants of Aaron, who have been consecrated to burn incense. Leave the sanctuary, for you have been unfaithful; and you will not be honored by the LORD God."

19 Uzziah, who had a censer in his hand ready to burn incense, became angry. While he was raging at the priests in their presence before the incense altar in the LORD's temple, leprosy (generic translation for skin diseases) broke out on his forehead. 20 When Azariah the chief priest and all the other priests looked at him, they saw that he had leprosy on his forehead, so they hurried him out. Indeed, he himself was eager to leave, because the LORD had afflicted him.

21 King Uzziah had leprosy until the day he died. He lived in a separate house —leprous, and excluded from the temple of the LORD. Jotham his son had charge of the palace and governed the people of the land.

I've become aware that we've drifted from the idea for the original thread into what mostly like largely annotation territory and so before we move on I was wondering, what are the moral and (not limited to mainstream theology, obvs*) spiritual messages that resonate thus far?

For me the concept of the flood really drove home the smallness of oneself in the universe, and how lonely a number one might really be. The time on the ark also makes me think about symbiosis with one's environment (look after the animals [/natural world] now or they won't be there when you need them.

The rescue of Lot and his (yet to be fully covered) later flight from Sodom for me say a lot about the effects of associating with people who you know don't have their heart in the right place, and also learning from one's mistakes (i.e. know when its' time to change one's behaviour or location).

* originally read: (not neccessarily christian, obvs). Edited by poster: 12/11/07.
 
 
grant
14:00 / 08.11.07
The "behavior" and "location" bits seem to be the most prominent ones in my reading - although I'm also continually interested in how it's possible to read whole different sets of intentions into the simple stories. (Obedience vs. self-perfection/control vs. tranquility, that kind of thing.)
 
 
EvskiG
15:31 / 08.11.07
I was wondering, what are the moral and (not neccessarily christian, obvs) spiritual messages that resonate thus far?

Looking at these stories with fresh eyes I'm astonished that people try to draw moral and spiritual messages from them at all. A lot of them seem to be either "Just So" stories explaining why the Keinites are badasses or the Canaanites suck, or are Bronze Age nomad parables with little resonance with modern life.

And most of the people at issue -- and God Him/Her/Itself -- don't seem especially spiritual or moral. God punishes Adam and Eve for disobedience even though at the time they didn't know the difference between good and evil. He accepts Abel's sacrifice and rejects Cain's for no clear reason. Abraham and Jacob are con men. Noah gets drunk and curses his son. Lot gets drunk and sleeps with his daughters. And on and on.

Seems to me that people have worked hard (and they have!) to find positive moral and spiritual lessons that are no more explicit in the texts of these stories than they are in, say, Grimm's Fairy Tales or the stories of Hans Christian Andersen.
 
 
grant
15:58 / 08.11.07
Joshua really had that effect on me the first time I read it.

I do think there's an invisible thread that has to be asserted by the reader in every story - that these all have something to do with the will of the creator of the universe.

It's a weird way of reading (leaving the fundamental theme unspoken), but I think that's what putting them all together in one cover does.

It's also a way of reading against the grain, though - it takes work. Makes a lot of heresy (and especially some of the more anti-Semitic strains of gnosticism) seem more reasonable. That God is a messed-up God, buddy.
 
 
EvskiG
19:12 / 08.11.07
Of course, Christianity almost invariably asserts that the God of the Old Testament IS the God of the New Testament. To believe otherwise is a heresy -- Marcionism.

God the Father doesn't really appear much in the New Testament -- no walking in the Garden of Eden, no wrestling Jacob, no showing his ass to Moses, no addressing the Hebrews directly from Mount Sinai -- so it's easy to argue that He didn't change at all from the Old Testament to the New Testament.

And, to give the Old Testament God a bit of credit, despite all of His faults He never damned all unbelievers in his Son to an eternity of torture. That in itself might make Him infinitely less cruel than the God of the New Testament.

If you believe in that sort of thing, that is.
 
 
jentacular dreams
21:37 / 08.11.07
And most of the people at issue -- and God Him/Her/Itself -- don't seem especially spiritual or moral.

But isn't that one of the large points of the text - that humanity's flaws creates our own dystopia? I mean, doesn't Job stand out so much because he is punished for being good rather than for his sins. E.g. you mention Abram being a con-man, but when he pulls the wife/=sister-in-a-box trick it doesn't do him any favours. I have trouble accepting the just-so stories position, surely there has to be a spiritual message within the text otherwise why retain them over so many generations. Why even create them in the first place (assuming one doesn't take them literally), when the "this is why we get to invade that land over there" message could have been so much more succinct. Is there no selective pressure on what sections of text get retained/maintained and what is allowed to change or be dropped?
 
 
EvskiG
13:38 / 09.11.07
But isn't that one of the large points of the text - that humanity's flaws creates our own dystopia?

I'm not sure that the text as a whole has a point.

I mean, doesn't Job stand out so much because he is punished for being good rather than for his sins.

I think the God of the Book of Job (one of the few really excellent books of the Bible) is a malign monster.

you mention Abram being a con-man, but when he pulls the wife/=sister-in-a-box trick it doesn't do him any favours.

Sure it does. It gets him in good with the Pharaoh: "And he benefited Abram for her sake, and he had flocks and cattle and he donkeys and men servants and maid servants, and she donkeys and camels."

surely there has to be a spiritual message within the text otherwise why retain them over so many generations.

I don't think that the fact something has been transmitted over generations necessarily means that it has a spiritual message.

Why even create them in the first place (assuming one doesn't take them literally), when the "this is why we get to invade that land over there" message could have been so much more succinct.

Stories are a lot more interesting -- and likely to be transmitted and retained over generations -- than expository writing.

Is there no selective pressure on what sections of text get retained/maintained and what is allowed to change or be dropped?

What Judaism generally did, rather than drop or change sections (although it did that, too, early on), was to create a vast oral Torah of commentary on and modifications of the text. The Oral Law was considered just as important, and just as sacred, as the Written Law.

A nice way to make certain parts much more just and humane. ("You know how the Bible says 'an eye for an eye'? It really means 'DON'T take an eye for an eye.'") What's more, it meant that the meaning of the text constantly was open for debate.

Here's my favorite story (from the Talmud, of course) on that:

Achnai brought a new oven to the rabbinical court for them to decide if it was appropriate for Jewish use. With the exception of Rabbi Eliezer, every sage declared that the oven was un-kosher.

Rabbi Eliezer brought forward every imaginable argument to try and convince the other sages that the oven was kosher, but none of his colleagues was convinced.

Rabbi Eliezer was getting frustrated, and he shouted at them: "If Achnai's oven is in fact kosher, as I say it is, then let this carob tree prove it!" And the carob tree flew out of the ground and landed a hundred cubits away. Unimpressed, the other sages retorted: "No proof can be brought from a carob tree."

Again Rabbi Eliezer implored them: "If the oven is kosher, then let the stream of water prove it." And the stream of water flowed backwards. "No proof can be brought from a stream of water," the rabbis rejoined.

More frustrated than ever, Rabbi Eliezer cried out: "If the oven is kosher, as I say it is, let the walls of this house of study prove it!" And the walls began to fall inward.

But Rabbi Joshua rebuked the collapsing walls saying: "When scholars are engaged in a disagreement over a point of Jewish law, what right do you have to interfere?" And the walls did not fall in honor of Rabbi Joshua, nor did they resume their upright position in honor of Rabbi Eliezer.

Again Rabbi Eliezer said to the sages, "If the law agrees with me regarding the fact that Achnai's oven is kosher, then let it be proved by heaven." And a heavenly voice cried out: "Why do you rabbis argue with Eliezer? He's always right in his interpretation of the law!"

But Rabbi Joshua arose and exclaimed to the sky: "It is not in Heaven." (Deuteronomy 30:12.) "[In interpreting the law] One must follow the majority!" (Exodus 23:2.)

At that moment, the sages say, God laughed, saying "My children have defeated me! My children have overruled me!"
 
 
EvskiG
13:50 / 12.11.07
I was wondering, what are the moral and (not neccessarily christian, obvs) spiritual messages that resonate thus far?

The "not necessarily Christian" language above got me thinking.

Not NECESSARILY Christian? The Book of Genesis ISN'T Christian.

It wasn't written by Christians, it wasn't written for Christians, it was studied and interpreted quite a bit before Jesus himself was born, it was studied by Jesus himself (assuming he existed) in a non-Christian context, and it continues to be studied by millions of people in a non-Christian context to the present day.

From time to time we've discussed cultural appropriation or misappropriation of the magical and sacred, from English voodoo to hippie sweat lodges. Seems to me that the most egregious example of this sort of thing in the history of Western culture is the appropriation of the sacred scriptures of Judaism by Christianity.

Throughout most of the last couple of millennia, Jews have been told not only that their scriptures are the "Old Testament," most of the laws of which have been superseded and rendered moot by the "New Testament," but that Judaism has been interpreting its own sacred scriptures incorrectly -- for example, not recognizing the many signs in the Old Testament that point to Jesus and the Trinity.

Naturally, I think that we should address both Jewish and Christian interpretations of the text as we move forward. (For example, if we get to the story of Abramam and Isaac in the near future.) But I just thought that was worth noting as we moved forward.
 
 
grant
14:39 / 12.11.07
Seems to me that the most egregious example of this sort of thing in the history of Western culture is the appropriation of the sacred scriptures of Judaism by Christianity.

It came to usss on our BIRTHDAY, preciousssss!

This is exactly why I'm curious about the Quran, actually. It's done more or less the same thing again, 600 years later.
 
 
EvskiG
15:23 / 12.11.07
One fascinating thing I've seen in both Christianity and Islam is an express prohibition on any new revelation that might modify the New Testament or the Koran the way each claims to modify the Old Testament.

In Christianity you have various individuals and groups declaring the Canon closed at various times, from Augustine to the Counsel of Trent to the Synod of Jerusalem.

In Islam you have the concept of bid'ah.

I imagine Mormons would feel the same way if someone now tried to add to the Book of Mormon.
 
 
jentacular dreams
10:04 / 13.11.07
Not NECESSARILY Christian?

Quite right and I apologise. I was having a rather heated discussion with a Christian friend about Genesis earlier that evening which is what led me back to the personal messages thing. I should have said monotheist or mainstream theology.

Sadly ironic really since the point of the bracketed statement was to try to avoid excluding anyone, and maybe coax some of the many who initially expressed an interest in the thread back in. Will propose an edit retaining the original error as a footnote unless anyone objects?

The Book of Genesis ISN'T Christian. It wasn't written by Christians, it wasn't written for Christians.

I can imagine most Christians would disagree with you on this to some extent, as they obviously believe that the 'OT' and 'NT' are continuous. Outside of their perspective, given that notable sections of early Genesis seems to be largely adaptations of various other extant mythologies, to what extent is the Christian appropriation of the Tanakh merely a particularly notable continuation in this tradition (though obviously in practice this appropriation occured through the growth of what at the time was merely a "cult" movement)?

I can't help but wonder what schisms might also have occured with the addition of the books of the Nevi'im and Ketuvim. Does anyone know of much in the way of non-rabbinical history sources from that time? I remember reading about a few cults which rejected the Talmud for example, but can't seem to find anything which stretches as far back as the compilation of the modern Tanakh?

Could not the different structures of Judaism compared to Christianity or Islam have also played a role? Judaism often seems to have developed amongst a reasonably localised population with a priestly caste having much more direct control over an oral scripture than anyone during the early days of post-Jesus Christianity or post-Muhammed Islam. Perhaps also the prohibition on additions would have not made sense from the position of Judaism, as the faith is still awaiting a Mašíah (which unlike the Christian view of the second coming will not I believe herald the apocalypse)?
 
 
EvskiG
14:52 / 13.11.07
Quite right and I apologise. . . . Will propose an edit retaining the original error as a footnote unless anyone objects?

I don't see any need to apologize or edit, but that's your call, of course.

The Book of Genesis ISN'T Christian. It wasn't written by Christians, it wasn't written for Christians.

I can imagine most Christians would disagree with you on this to some extent, as they obviously believe that the 'OT' and 'NT' are continuous.


Whether you think that Genesis was written by Moses or various people over the course of centuries, it's pretty clear that it wasn't written BY Christians. Since it was written before Jesus was born, and hence before any Christians existed, I think it's pretty clear that it wasn't written FOR Christians either.

Of course, plenty of Christians take the view the Old Testament was divinely inspired and written to prophesy the coming of Jesus and Christianity, and to be used by Christians as a history and (mostly superseded) supplement to the New Testament. But it strikes me as a rather odd and impolite (although extremely common) position to say that Jews didn't know the meaning or intent of their own scriptures.

On the other hand, it certainly is reasonable to say that many of the various translations of Genesis and the rest of the Old Testament over the years -- including, for example, the King James Version -- certainly were by Christians and for Christians.

Outside of their perspective, given that notable sections of early Genesis seems to be largely adaptations of various other extant mythologies, to what extent is the Christian appropriation of the Tanakh merely a particularly notable continuation in this tradition

It's a common and understandable thing to do -- especially for a cult that wanted to gain a bit of legitimacy by associating itself with an older, established religion.

I remember reading about a few cults which rejected the Talmud for example, but can't seem to find anything which stretches as far back as the compilation of the modern Tanakh?

Well, to pick one example, the Samaritans rejected the Mishnah and the Talmud fairly early. I think the Karaites were a bit later.

Could not the different structures of Judaism compared to Christianity or Islam have also played a role . . . . Perhaps also the prohibition on additions would have not made sense from the position of Judaism

Judaism actually did say that it was inappropriate to add to the Tanakh. For example, both the Talmud and later Maimonides numbered among heretics "Koferim Ba-Torah" (roughly, those who disagree with the Torah or its interpretation), including "he who says, as do the [Christians] and the [Moslems], that the Lord has given a new dispensation instead of the old, and that he has abolished the Law, though it was originally divine."

as the faith is still awaiting a Mašíah (which unlike the Christian view of the second coming will not I believe herald the apocalypse)

Well, some Jews are awaiting a Messiah, some aren't, some see the whole concept as a metaphor. But the Jewish Messiah generally isn't supposed to be divine, and isn't supposed to herald an Apocalypse.

the point of the bracketed statement was to try to avoid excluding anyone, and maybe coax some of the many who initially expressed an interest in the thread back in.

I hope no one is staying out of this thread to avoid offending. And I think it's about time to start up the thread on the Gospel of John again . . .
 
 
EvskiG
21:15 / 13.11.07
Just to elaborate on a common Christian view of the Old Testament, here's the modern Catechism of the Catholic Church:

1963 According to Christian tradition, the Law [of the Old Testament] is holy, spiritual, and good, yet still imperfect. Like a tutor it shows what must be done, but does not of itself give the strength, the grace of the Spirit, to fulfill it. Because of sin, which it cannot remove, it remains a law of bondage. According to St. Paul, its special function is to denounce and disclose sin, which constitutes a "law of concupiscence" in the human heart. However, the Law remains the first stage on the way to the kingdom. It prepares and disposes the chosen people and each Christian for conversion and faith in the Savior God. It provides a teaching which endures for ever, like the Word of God.

1964 The Old Law is a preparation for the Gospel. "The Law is a pedagogy and a prophecy of things to come." It prophesies and presages the work of liberation from sin which will be fulfilled in Christ: it provides the New Testament with images, "types," and symbols for expressing the life according to the Spirit. Finally, the Law is completed by the teaching of the sapiential books and the prophets which set its course toward the New Covenant and the Kingdom of heaven.
 
 
jentacular dreams
18:14 / 18.01.08
So at the recent Middlith gathering, one of our discussions touched upon the Torah/OT (and indeed both Lot and his wife, and Abram's near sacrifice of Isaac), which made me remember this thread, and how we're nearly at that point. First I was wondering what people thought of Genesis 15-17? As each seems like a pretty rich field for discussion (especially 16 and 17).

Genesis 15 has some very interesting symbolism, though as usual I'm not sure if I'm reading more into it than intended. God approaches Abram through a dream, Abram complains that he has no heir, God promises him he will have an heir (a son from his own body), and be the father of a great nation. Abram believes him, and (I think) asks what he needs to do. God has him take a heifer, a goat, a ram, a dove and a young pigeon. He cuts the three mammals in half (lengthways), but not the birds (though they are presumably also sacrificed?) and after driving away vultures and the like, settles down to sleep at sunset. The NAB says that this ritual was often performed to cement an agreement. Whilst asleep Abram hears God prophecy Israel's enslavement in Egypt, and after sunset (although it is unclear whether Abram is still asleep at this point), a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces, whilst God confirmed his gift of the surrounding lands to the Israelites.

Whilst the latter half is obviously representative of the Exodus (parting of the waters*, the Israelites being led by a column of smoke/pillar of fire) can anyone see many other symbolic imargery within this? It also seems to be important that this all takes place at twilight, the 'dawn' of a new day. Does anyone know if the ram, goat and [cow] have any astrological significance here? Is it possible the division of these herd animals relates in any way to the division of Abram and Lot's herds previously, or am I putting the cart before the herd animal (in that the reason they are used for sacrifices is just because they are the herd animals in the first place)?

* so also the division of waters by the firmament?
 
 
grant
18:52 / 18.01.08
There are references to animal sacrifices being "food" for God later in scripture - and specifically the smoke from burnt offerings being at least a "sweet smell" but I seem to remember also offering sustenance. So I think the fact that they'd all be food animals would be important.

I also suspect there's something in there about God as an animating principle. He's entering the space of their body in such a way that Abram can see it happening, you know?

That NAB note you link to is pretty freaky:
[A]greements were sometimes ratified by walking between the divided pieces of animals while the contracting parties invoked on themselves a fate similar to that of the slaughtered beast if they should fail to keep their word.

I mean, there's an obvious reason why that would be mentioned in a Christian Bible, but I'm not sure how much credence it'd have in a Jewish reading. Am I being obscure there? The Christian God is the God who fulfills a covenant by dying, by becoming a sacrifice.


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Chapter 16 is where the whole Middle East trouble really starts. Ishmael, first son of Abraham, legendary progenitor of the Arabs. An archer - I wonder if having a bow & arrow has some symbolic meaning that I don't get.

Anyway, the son of the maid vs. the son of the wife. That's a pattern that shows up again later on, right?

And then in 17, the new names, new identity to create a new nation - in the land that was then occupied by (as mentioned in 15) the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites." Three verses' worth of names!

Oh, and you need to cut the tips of your penises off.

What?

Your, um, foreskins. Sorry, just a formality, really, but yes, we do need them cut off for the contract to be valid.

There's something reminiscent of that in the walking between the cut up animals, too, I think. Agreements sealed in blood.
 
 
EvskiG
04:14 / 19.01.08
That NAB note you link to is pretty freaky:
[A]greements were sometimes ratified by walking between the divided pieces of animals while the contracting parties invoked on themselves a fate similar to that of the slaughtered beast if they should fail to keep their word.

. . . I'm not sure how much credence it'd have in a Jewish reading.


It has credence.

As James Kugel says in "How to Read the Bible," the Akkadian phrase for "let's make a deal" was "let's go slaughter a donkey."

In the ancient Near East, instead of putting contracts in writing and signing them, "one of the most common [methods] involved the killing and cutting up of an animal or animals, often leading to a festive meal. After the animals were slaughtered in the presence of the agreeing parties, the agreement was deemed to have gone into effect."

Here's an Eighth Century B.C.E. Aramaic treaty for comparison: "Just as this calf is cut up, so may [I] be cut up [if I violate the agreement]."

God made Abraham an offer: "I am the Lord, Who brought you forth from Ur of the Chaldees, to give you this land to inherit it."

Abe asked God for assurances: "O Lord God, how will I know that I will inherit it?"

So God did the ancient equivalent of putting it in writing: told Abraham to cut up some animals and make it a formal agreement.

Here's Kugel again: "The fire and torch . . . are apparently intended to represent God's physical presence here, and by walking between the cut-up animal carcasses God was doing exactly what the text says He was doing (and what an ordinary human being would be doing by the same action), making a covenant with Abraham."

In Biblical Hebrew a covenant or agreement (berit) is "cut."

I mean, there's an obvious reason why that would be mentioned in a Christian Bible . . . . The Christian God is the God who fulfills a covenant by dying, by becoming a sacrifice.

Not the same thing. Neither of the parties in this covenant die, or are expected or obligated to die to fulfill the covenant. Death is the (usual) penalty for breaching the covenant.

But there are some interesting Christian interpretations of these chapters . . .
 
 
EvskiG
21:10 / 20.01.08
Might as well mention the Christian spin.

Genesis 15:4-5 states: "None but your very own issue shall be your heir. . . . 'Look toward heaven and count the stars, if you are able to count them . . .So shall your offspring be.'" (Jewish Publication Society Tanakh translation.)

In other words, the bodily descendants of Abraham -- and more specifically, the Jews -- are the heirs to God's covenant with Abraham and the Land of Israel.

(Genesis 17:20-21 expressly states that the covenant is with Isaac, not Ishmael, who still gets some nice consolation prizes.)

Skip ahead a thousand years or so, when a guy named Paul is trying to sell his idiosyncratic spin on Christianity. Some of his competitors -- including Jesus's brother James -- are taking a hard line, insisting that the religion be limited to Jews, or at most converts who keep the Jewish laws (including those governing circumcision and diet). Paul disagreed.

Paul hated these "false believers" and "people . . . from James." (Galatians 2:4, 2:12.) "Let [them] be accursed!" (Galatians 1:8-9.) "I wish [they] would castrate themselves!" (Galatians 5:12.) But he needed an argument to explain how Christians could claim the heritage of Israel, and the blessing God gave Abraham, if (1) they weren't Jews by practice (by following the Jewish laws) and (2) they weren't Jews by birth (by being literal descendants of Abraham).

Paul's conclusion, in Galatians, was (1) the Jewish laws were given to the Jews long after Abraham, and only because their transgressions showed that they needed the guidance (3:19) and (2) the word God used for Abraham's "seed" was singular, so couldn't refer to his physical descendants, the Jews, but to only "one person, who is Christ." (3:16.) "If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, heirs according to the promise." (3:29.)

Note that Paul moved from using seed in the singular for Jesus (to avoid the Jews) back to the plural for Christians. And, of course, Paul based his whole argument on the word for "seed" (sperma) used in the popular Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, rather than the word for "seed" (zera) used in the original Hebrew version -- which, like the English "seed," is both singular and plural when used to refer to descendants.
 
 
grant
17:50 / 22.01.08
When I was reading Genesis the first time straight through, this was one of the parts that made me want to know what happened next. There's something shocking about the visceral stuff (the guts of the animals), but also about that idea of inheriting this (troublesome) land. Ripped straight from the headlines, you know?
 
 
EvskiG
18:06 / 28.01.08
He cuts the three mammals in half (lengthways), but not the birds (though they are presumably also sacrificed?) . . . . Does anyone know if the ram, goat and [cow] have any astrological significance here?

Rabbi Eliezer ben Hercanus supposedly said that the cows and goats and rams represented the "idol-worshipping nations" (Psalms 22:13, Daniel 8:20-21, etc.) while the birds represented the Israelites (Song of Songs 2:14). So Abraham divided the beasts to show that these nations would gradually perish, but left the birds undivided to show that Israel will exist forever.

As for Chapter 16, we get the original Handmaid's Tale.

Hagar is the only woman in the Old Testament/Hebrew Scriptures to get a promise from God of a line of descendants ("I will greatly multiply your seed, and it will not be counted for abundance") -- she's a matriarch of sorts. She's also the only person to give God a name. ("You are the God of my vision" -- El Roi.)

The prophecy about Ishmael ("And he will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be upon all, and everyone's hand upon him, and before all his brothers he will dwell") is a bit of etiology explaining the origin of the desert tribes that were the Israelites' neighbors: they're tough, they're all around us, we fight with them, and we're related.

(The "wild donkey" language isn't actually negative -- it's just a reference to the herds of wild donkeys that, like the surrounding tribes, roamed through the desert.)

And another first-born son is about to get screwed.
 
  

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