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Warren Ellis does The Thunderbolts!

 
  

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FinderWolf
01:30 / 01.10.07
new issue is out, and it's not poo!

Love Norman Osborne's sarcasm about Capt. Marvel's return from the dead. Really terrific - Ellis has said that he's writing this book to amuse himself, like NEXTWAVE, and that's good enough for me.

Great cliffhanger ending too. And Norman thinking he can control Penance and have 'his own personal Hulk,' as Moonstone put it.

DOC SAMSON next issue! Score.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:17 / 26.10.07
You know what?

The less Ellis cares about his subject matter the better his comics.
Hence this week I dropped the already tiresome Doktor Sleepless ('Bastard of the Future'? - No ta), but carried on with 'Thunderbolts'. and it's good. Not reaaally good, but enjoyably slick pulp entertainment. I honestly hope he keeps writing it for a while, cos given a chance it could be the next 'Suicide Squad'. I like reading a team that features Venom in a kind of 'cute mascot' role. I like reading a team book with Norman 'batshit crazy' Osborne as the leader (in fact his comedy 'keraaazyness' is one of the best things about the comic). I like a comic where minor league superheroes have the shit beaten out of them by badguys, with Bullseye a ticking time-bomb of homicidal rage waiting to be unleashed.
It's not 'Nextwave' good (best comic of Ellis' career? Yes.), but it is trashy, rubbishy supercomics done good, and it's a fuck sight more enjoyable than the majority of Wozzer's personal projects.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
13:31 / 26.10.07
I agree. The less he cares, the better he seems to get. Nice SUICIDE SQUAD reference you make. I recently re-read a chunk of the old SS run and was impressed all over again by how good it was. THUNDERBOLTS just feels like a decompressed version of the Squad although the characters aren't quite popping for me yet the way Deadshot, Bronze Tiger, Waller, Duchess and the others worked in SS. I think the inherent cartooney-ness of SS made the characters a bit more iconic, whereas Ellis seems to want to give all his people 3 dimensions which reduces rather than embiggens them in my opinion.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
01:09 / 29.10.07
It's also weird that Ellis of all people is the one to actually make some sort of sense out of Speedball Penance.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:17 / 29.10.07
yeah - there are a lot of concepts & characters in this book that I really feel only Ellis could do justice to (especially since, like SpeedPenance, so many of them are so ludicrous and out-there). He makes every page of this book work on all kinds of levels. This is one book I really look forward to every month. It's a perfect fit - and certainly a match of book/characters with writer that, I think, no one could really have expected in the months before it was announced.

Fun portrayal of Samson (who's gotten a rare haircut)! Can't wait to see the superheroes who surrender tear apart the eeeeevil Thunderbolts.
 
 
Spaniel
14:23 / 29.10.07
Yeah, but who are those guys?

I'm enjoying this too. As is to be expected, some issues are more decompressed than a man would a like, but there's usually something considerably entertaining happening somewhere between the covers, and this months was full of really very good character stuff. I like how he's made Penance halfway believable (I always thought it could be done), and I thought his portrayal of Samson's... er... innermost thoughts was just great. Not genius, mind. Just really skill.

Probably the only thing that bugged me about the issue - and it's something which bugs me about every issue - is the use of actors as reference material. Seems to me that it makes for really uneven facial characterisation, as the panels coped from source material tend to sit awkwardly next to the ones where the artist was forced to wing it.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
19:11 / 30.10.07
Agreed. That said I liked that Deodato has started being more adventurous with his panel layout.
 
 
Spaniel
20:17 / 30.10.07
Has he? I'll have to have another look.
 
 
_Boboss
22:34 / 07.11.07
so yes, bought the trade after the kerefuffle ere, and had a high old time with it. (and very good value too - even with postage included you're paying less per issue than you would month-by-month, and you get a nice hc edition, the decompression doesn't hurt, glossy paper, no ads, all gravy. funny, but comics like this, that i enjoy but am in no way emotionally invested in, i end up getting in decent, durable trade format, while the ones i really like i can't wait for, so have the singles strewn all over the house, and i can never find them when i want to. arse.)

sorry, yes, this is a great punchy comic - with the weight of the marvel u behind it the social commentary just seems far more pointed than in black summer - he also handles the 'everybody is insane' stuff a lot better here, and makes these deadl;y functional lunatics seem plausible and alive.

there is also something very amusing about the way the set pieces are staged. something very satisfying, old skool marvel in the way they just keep having these big untidy fights in car parks and city streets. great to be able to cheer when your main characters lose too - the bit where american eagle takes bullseye was so much fun i nearly jumped off the toilet. so yes - very good, shame it may be six months before i get another trade like that.

funny how, now that his major works are long over - transhitropolitan, planetary etc. - and that he's basically doing work for hire with less of a 'redefining comics, smoking and the future' vibe to it, i'm enjoying ellis' work more than ever. t-bolts, fell, nextwave and even black summer all have a lot to recommend them, and their tossed off nature and the fact that he is just a little reigned in, by either format choice or editorial input, really seems to take the edge off the more irritating aspects of his auhtorial voice. so t-bolts is great, but where he is still given room to indulge himself, as in the aforementioned 'doqt0r sheeple$$ - tek twat' or whatever bollocks, remains eminently easy to ignore, and his less involved work is more readable than ever.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:58 / 09.01.08
damn, this comic makes me happy every 3 months when it comes out.

The new issue: Everyone (well, almost everyone) goes totally crazy! The pressure cooker hits the fan! Read it to believe it. Warren Ellis continues to tell a rip-roarin' great story. And it's good to see someone doing SOMETHING with the Swordsman, who I've never cared about one way or the other.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
22:41 / 09.01.08
Oh, I never cared about Swordsman. But I do care about his father, and if this means he's going to be the new, sword-swinging Baron Von Strucker... freaking A. I half expected him to carve up his own face to look more like him. That would have been the best....
 
 
Spaniel
07:54 / 10.01.08
Yes, I like Ellis's take. Can't help but feel that it's a fairly obvious move however* - the fact that it's so enjoyable really draws attention to the extremely weak shit that passes for characterisation in sooooo many comic books.

*Just like Venom's rather insistent appetite, which, despite being horrible and fun, is beginning to stink of one trick
 
 
NedB
10:26 / 11.01.08
Bad couple of weeks for Marvel comics showing stuff on the cover that won't happen for at least another issue: this, and also the new New Avengers.
 
 
Spaniel
11:56 / 11.01.08
Didn't that cover sort of happen the issue before last?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:39 / 01.02.08
So I picked up the first Ellis trade, Faith in Monsters (which is, I have to say, an excellent title), and I read it this evening and I enjoyed it. It didn't-- maybe something to do with being an actual, in-continuity Marvel comic-- it didn't fire off all my neurons like the complete dance party that was Nextwave, but I really enjoyed it, for the most part.

Penance, obviously, is tiresome. Venom -- I just never got the point of Venom, you know? Either version. I just don't see the appeal. And the cannibalism aspect just hits me like a redux of Millar's Ultimate Hulk trying to eat Freddie Prinze Junior, but without the "amusing" jibes at celebrities. Though I did like the bits with just plain old Gargan talking about how warm the symbiote was, and how cold it was when Venom was inside rather than outside.

Really, this was about Norman Osborn, Songbird, and Moonstone. They're the only three I really cared about, one way or another -- Songbird is sort of tragic, playing the role of conscientious objector that she's doomed to play -- an obstacle for the "smoking bastard Ellisman" inversion Moonstone. Moonstone's callous disregard for humanity interests me more than, say, Bullseye -- he just has that kill-kill-kill hard-on which seems to be sort of bland Hannibal archetype and I get fatigued reading him. And Moonstone as power-player, stuck in one position and wanting Norman's power, well, that interests me.

Norman, well, Norman's funny. In a weird, horrible way. I like his constant jibes at Radioactive Man -- "Joke. Really." -- and how he spins international relations. The Lex Luthor reference up above is very true, but Norman sort of fails at it, and I like that. Spidey is his Superman. Norman is the director but he wants to be Moonstone, he wants to have her finely honed psychological talent -- his slices people open like she does, but only as long as he can keep control.

The fireworks when she finally makes her move have got to be spectacular.

Art -- well, I'm not terribly impressed. Moonstone always looks like she has spinal damage. Venom pretty much looks like the Ultimate Version showing up in Ultimates 3, and he's one of the many reasons I'm not reading that comic.

Fun to see Jillian Woods, though. Anyone know if she's up to appear somewhere else soon? Or is that in the "need to know" post-Volume 1 Thunderbolts?
 
 
FinderWolf
16:57 / 19.05.08
This is still really entertaining, when it comes out (and only for the next few issues, since Ellis is gone in 2 issues, I believe). The latest ish is noteworthy for the "Where do they turn when no one else can do the hard, dirty work that needs doing? Norman Osborn, of course" little monologue which includes a humorous nod to the "Osborn/Gwen Stacy" controversial one-night stand. I think N. Christos Gage or somesuch will write it after Ellis leaves, and Ellis is really the selling point for me. Once Ellis leaves, I'm gone.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:13 / 26.06.08
Final Ellis issue: out yesterday.

Many readers: Leaving with the final Ellis issue.

Final Ellis issue: highly entertaining. Speedball not necessarily an Iron Maiden any longer.

Also, Ellis' treatment of Leonard Samson was a high point - hope Samson isn't dead or eeevil in the Marvel U. at present (as seen in the pages of a Byrne-stolen HULK #4 - the Red Hulk thing that Loeb is doing, which is crappy but not nearly as crappy as Loeb's ULTIMATES 3)
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:41 / 27.06.08
Does Ellis have further Marvel work lined up beyond Astonishing X-Men? He's been, apparently, unearthing and writing pitches on old properties to be revived, but has any result be announced?
 
 
FinderWolf
00:56 / 27.06.08
Not that I've heard, no. He's focusing more these days on his creator-owned work, from his recent statements (like Doktor Sleepless and lots of other stuff; most of it for Avatar, I believe)
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
07:31 / 18.12.08
I just started rereading this, and I must say: American Eagle kicking the living shit out of Bullseye is still a really good time.
 
  

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