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Amy Winehouse

 
  

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Regrettable Juvenilia
14:22 / 07.02.07
They tried to make her go to rehab. At the time of writing, that hasn't exactly worked out.

I've got to admit, Amy Winehouse used to irritate the hell out of me. At the time of her first album, she appeared to combine the kind of 'sophisticated' faux-soul smugness that makes tiny Jools Holland come in smug suit pants, with irritatingly reactionary political opinions ('Stronger Than Me' exerts a lover to be a real old-fashioned man, complete with a "what's the matter, are you gay or something?" taunt)... like Joss Stone with Julie Burchill's gobshite mouth. It wasn't an appealing combination.

And so I did not expect myself to be in this position, a few years later: I think I love Amy Winehouse. Specifically, I love the two singles to date from her new album Back To Black. YouTube links:

'Rehab'

'You Know I'm No Good'

Discussing what I like about these songs, without falling into such platitudes as “they’re just really great songs, man” – although I will say that Winehouse has developed a nicely elliptical turn of phrase that could probably apply to any subject – is pretty quickly going to take is into the kind of territory that raises questions about life vs. art and the morality of enjoying the presentation of a persona in art which may have a very real connection with a lifestyle that is damaging to the artist.

Or may not, blah blah blah. Many accounts such as this one seem to portray Amy Winehouse the individual as very much in line with the lyrical content of these songs: unlucky and unwise in love, and in a more monogamous but even more self-destructive relationship with the bottle. Then again, music fans can never agree even on whether various male drunks in rock and pop are heroic or tragic, and it's even more complicated when the figure in question is a Woman Who Drinks, and therefore twice as likely as to be told "to a rehab clinic, go!" when she has more Vino Collapso than is advisable of an evening.

I suppose some people may not care either way, and may simply find the persona boring. With her throaty, guilt-wracked confessionals of booze-soaked late nights in smoky bars and heart-breaking yet compulsive infidelity, with her twin musical obsessions of old soul music and contemporary hip hop, with her slavish devotion to a singer's costume that borders on drag (the absurdly OTT tattoos of topless pin-up girls and 'Daddy's Girl', the enormous eyelashes and equally huge Ronnie Spector beehive, the ever-present decolletage), Amy Winehouse in her current incarnation reminds me oddly of nobody so much as... Greg Dulli, or rather his gender-reversed duplicate (with Winehouse's thuggish fistfighting foulmouthed tomboy side the counterpoint to Dulli's occasional submissive falsetto). And some people find that kind of schtick tiresome, outdated, boorish, obnoxious. Me, I'm fascinated, I can't get enough.

If she met me, she would like me, or so I like to think.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:36 / 07.02.07
I'm not familiar with her, though she was filming a video in Abney Park cemetery yesterday when I was walking the dog, so I'll be looking out for my local favourite place being on telly when the single or whatever comes out.
 
 
Ticker
14:46 / 07.02.07
Oooh thank you for introducing me to such great music!

After reading the article I can see what you mean about her. It felt like she was being framed as either another tragic figure = great musician or self destructo bomb.

I think she would like you.
 
 
downgrade
14:59 / 07.02.07
speaking of greg dulli -- a pal selling a comedy routine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX6WSnxrXGk
 
 
Quantum
15:10 / 07.02.07
Public persona aside, she's got a really rich voice like Ella Fitzgerald's granddaughter.
 
 
matthew.
17:43 / 07.02.07
I haven't heard the first album, but if it's anything like Back To Black then I'm in there. She's got such a powerful voice, emotive and plaintive and sneering all at the same time. However, the album doesn't have a ton of hooks. Great horns, great singing, but only a few hooks. The first track and the third track are stellar, though!
 
 
Feverfew
18:17 / 07.02.07
I agree re: the powerful voice, but around a month or two ago I was battered - relentlessly battered - by Rehab being overplayed on BBC radio stations, to the point where I heard it twice a day every day for around a fortnight.

This may not sound like much, but when these are the two intervals you listen to music during the day and when one song pops up every time, it can get a little grating.

That said, I do like the more recent single, and I may be tempted to get the album once I've got Rehab out of my system a little more.
 
 
Ticker
18:18 / 07.02.07
Am I in an isolation tank or have very few Americans heard of her?
 
 
Cherielabombe
19:03 / 07.02.07
Not TOO many americans have heard of her. But those Americans I introduced her to over Christmas all wanted more of her!
 
 
at the scarwash
19:29 / 07.02.07
god bless you flyboy. Winehouse is the best new-to-me musician so far this year.

She's definitely a bit of a lush, but she seems to have a strong work ethic, so maybe she'll muscle through.

I will be disappointed if she doesn't get asked to do the next Bond title song.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:22 / 07.02.07
I don't know if she's that much of a lush really, bearing in mind that she's only about twenty two - who amongst us wouldn't routinely wake up in a fairly bad way most mornings given the means (cash, critical acclaim, tour schedule and so on,) to do so? It's not as if she has to show up for work or lectures in the morning, after all.

This is perhaps a British thing, that said.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:29 / 07.02.07
I watch a lot of pop singers on TV and they're out done by their backing singers because they haven't got any power behind their voices, sometimes even the mic doesn't save them. There are exceptions (like that dirrty Aguilera) but if I was going to sell my soul it would definitely be for Amy Winehouse's voice. I mean she can actually sing I Heard it Through the Grapevine and make it great and frankly that takes the voice of a GOD.
 
 
HCE
22:43 / 07.02.07
I'm finding that she pushes a lot of buttons with me, and I am taking a look at some most unpleasant racist views I didn't realize I had. I suppose I shouldn't be so surprised, but still, it doesn't feel good.
 
 
Ticker
23:49 / 07.02.07

gourami, iffin' you wanted to unpack that a bit I'd be politely curious as to what you mean.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
12:00 / 08.02.07
Having grown up in ethnically various lower middle class-leftish North London environs much like those that generated Amy Winehouse, I have to admit to finding her very appealing on a personal level... I listen to her raucously impolite cackle on TV chat shows and think: 'Homegirl!'

Happily for my idle imaginings, she appears to have the talent and pipes to fill out the persona. More people say something nice about her, please.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:32 / 08.02.07
Am I in an isolation tank or have very few Americans heard of her?

Not right now, but I can see her taking off like a rocket, by appealing to both hip hop/r&b fans (she's done a song with Ghostface; Mos Def and Jay-Z are fans) and those kids who are part of a subculture that I'm not even sure has a name yet (but maybe Kali knows) - that aesthetic sub-set that's post-Suicide Girls, partly Goth-flavoured but more about the 1950s than the 1800s, a little bit rockabilly...

If she can avoid doing a sick on the flag live on Letterman or whatever, I think she could do very well across the Atlantic.

Also:



She was very rude to one of The Kooks.
 
 
Quantum
16:33 / 08.02.07
Didn't she also complain because some magazine airbrushed out her tats?
 
 
Ticker
16:52 / 08.02.07
Gothabilly or Psychobilly

methinks Ms. Winehouse's sound is bit different tho.
 
 
Ticker
17:04 / 08.02.07
I dug this out of YouTube Amy Winehouse live Back to Black
 
 
hst
12:34 / 09.02.07
Back to Black is a very nice album, with the single Rehab being one of the weaker tracks imho. You can hear influences ranging from vocal jazz from the 40s to gritty soul/funk from the 70s and she's got a voice to match.
 
 
grant
14:04 / 09.02.07
"You Know I'm No Good" is a cha-cha, which is a song form you'll see popping up in the "slow" songs done by rockabilly artists. I'm pretty sure Rev. Horton Heat has a cha-cha or two.

I like 'em. "Something Beautiful" by Clem Snide is a great cha-cha. With a similar level of indulgent self-loathing.

"Rehab" sounds like the Shirelles on a bad morning or something. The Ronettes with bloodshot eyes and throbbing temples.

Actually, from those two songs, I think she's doing something the psychobilly people sort of did too -- taking forgotten pop motifs and making them modern and a little dirtier. She's not exactly doing it with rockabilly, in those two songs at least, but with stuff that was more mainstream in the mid-50s to mid-60s.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
17:14 / 09.02.07
For some reason the style reminds me very much of PJ Harvey circa 'To Bring You My Love'. I mean the look more than the music, obviously, but not wholly - I can't quite put my finger on what it is musically. Maybe just a really powerful female voice.
 
 
Ticker
17:38 / 09.02.07
Not to get all rotty, but wasn't that when PJ was hanging with Nick Cave? Perhaps the tragic love affair angle?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
03:12 / 10.02.07
Given where she apparently likes to hang out if she's having a few drinks (Camden market, basically) the Rockabilly connection would make sense. I imagine she knows a few guys who went to noted English boarding schools, who now have perfect DA's and a collection of vintage brothel creepers, and who like to listen to Charlie Feathers or The Cramps while they're restoring vintage cars from the Fifties, and discussing tatts with people they'd never have met under any other set of circumstances.

Nothing wrong with any of that, of course, but it's a very specific scene. From what I know of it, it's quite charged, sexually; everyone shows up at The Elephant's Head on Camden High Street on Sunday afternoon and tries to get married to each other, as in the situation in 'Grease', if it was conducted in hell. Albeit in a fairly touching way.

I don't suppose anyone believes a word I say any more, but, looking at Amy (the beehive, the ink, the lashes,) and listening to her (not exactly my thing, but still, very good) new album, that seems to be exactly where she's coming from.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
03:25 / 10.02.07
If Nick Cave met her though, he would, I think, really like her.

So much so that I think he'd want to think about writing an album about thinking about wanting to kill her a year or so later.

Amy's response might be a song called 'Grandad', different in a lot of ways from the Clive Dunn tune.
 
 
The Timaximus, The!
00:20 / 07.03.07
'Rehab' has made it to the hip Los Angeles radio station. Mark my words, it's going to be *HUGE* Even though I know I'm going to be sick of her in a few months, I still want to get the record so I can listen to it before it's played to death (Gnarls Barkley, Lilly Allen, that Swedish whistling song, White Stripes &c).

Huge, I tell you, HUGE!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:02 / 07.03.07
I credit myself with her US success.
 
 
The Timaximus, The!
23:26 / 07.03.07
Yeah, I should have read the thread more closely. Consider yourself seconded/thirded/whatevered, then.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:59 / 07.03.07
I credit myself with her US success.

I don't think anyone would seriously dispute that.

And in a roundabout way, I think I know how you feel; things haven't really been the same for Pete Doherty since I started talking about his music on Barbelith.
 
 
ibis the being
00:25 / 03.04.07
I was introduced to Amy Winehouse via a "mommy blog" post featuring a live performance of Love is a Losing Game. I really can't get enough of that one in particular... but all of the sessions up on You Tube of that green sofa session are really great. Her vocalizations are a bit more self-indulgent in them than on her studio recordings, but that's more than made up for by the wonderful texture and tone of her voice. I'm finding myself a little slow to warm to her studio recordings after watching those videos, but I do like her quite a bit. I think her CD tracks could use a bit grittier production value - especially on her voice - to reach their full potential.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
18:24 / 03.04.07
She's my new hero.
 
 
Benny the Ball
09:16 / 06.04.07
I heard Rehab quite a while ago in an HMV somewhere, and liked it a lot. Haven't got the album, but have picked up a few tracks, such as the fantastic Back to Black - Tears Dry on their Own and You Know I'm No Good.

Back to Black is about my favourite of these, pure angry meloncholy. Tears Dry on their Own (with it's Motown sample) pretty much sums up why I like her stuff - musically you think of the 60's, the free-love and political movements, a golden age that your parents talk about but that you can't quite place, and then you hear her lyrics, cutting through with her amazing voice - and suddenly you feel a link, and angry one, but a link none-the-less
 
 
johnny enigma
17:15 / 09.04.07
I've only heard the singles so far but I'm definitely digging her, image and all.

I mean, she's got tattoos, she drinks lots, she's no good and she won't go to rehab. What's not to like about her?
 
 
Ticker
17:54 / 09.04.07
so far I think 'Back to black' is my favorite song on the album.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:26 / 09.04.07
I have yet to hear what she actually sounds like (or, indeed, if it were relevant, know what she looks like). But people I know, and who know me, tell me I'd probably like her stuff.

They may just be saying that because she likes booze, though. But then, I've heard worse recommendations.

What would Barbelith recommend I download to find out one way or the other?
 
  

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