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Jade - Shilpa - Multiculturalism - Class

 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:44 / 06.02.07
I really should start this thread by linking to some concrete reports of what actually happened in the BB house, but unfortunately I wouldn't know where to look.

As I understand it, Jade and some other members of her family behaved in a racist fashion; encouragingly, many voices in the media seemed to come out against her, as opposed to justifiying her and saying it was only a laugh as they do with most ignorant pillocks.

What worries me, however, is that a lot of the anti-Jade criticism a) looked quite generally opportunisitic and cynical and b) seemed to involve calling her "a chav", "scum", etcetera, that is to say, focussing on the fact that she comes from a poor background rather than the fact that what she said was ignorant and stupid.

So what's happening here?

Something to bear in mind would be that poorer people tend not to have such a good education, nor the benefits of a cosmopolitan lifestyle that such an education can bring. Likewise that the educated rich (like, well, me) can often feel as though they know lots about different cultures without actually being that clued-up (that is, the difference between knowing about Persian poetry and having a friend from Iran).
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
15:04 / 06.02.07
Well, and I suppose, the benefits of your education allow you to condescend. The dean of my law school, a black tax-lawyer in his mid-to-late 50s, hated equal opportunity. He hated political correctness. And he came accross as an Ethiopian senator to whom the weaker Latin members of the "S" part of "SPQR" deferred.
 
 
nighthawk
15:27 / 06.02.07
Something to bear in mind would be that poorer people tend not to have such a good education, nor the benefits of a cosmopolitan lifestyle that such an education can bring. Likewise that the educated rich (like, well, me) can often feel as though they know lots about different cultures without actually being that clued-up (that is, the difference between knowing about Persian poetry and having a friend from Iran).

Sure, but I think the more unpleasant negative coverage Jade got in the press (and from some posters on this board) was based on a previously existing dislike, which all of a sudden had a 'legitimate' outlet as a result of her racist behaviour. People got to feel very self-righteous and smug from what was essentially a display of their own ignorance and idiocy. I think this has been supported by an unfortunate confusion of acting in a racist manner, and being actively and consciously racist. Behaving in a racist manner is probably more common than most people would like to admit (if only because our society itself can probably be described as 'racist' - didn't this come up in the thread on dreadlocks and racism?); and while it certainly ought to be challenged and interrogated wherever it occurs, I'm not sure people engaged in it are as culpable as someone who is consciously and persistently racist, or as someone who is guilty of deliberate and aggressive bullying... The racism in Big Brother was particularly unpleasant because it coincided with bullying of this nature(which is the main thing Jade and co. should be apologising for, as far as I'm concerned). However the shitstorm surrounding it sold a lot of papers, revived a failing programme, reassured us all that 'racism' was something easily dealt with and generally overcome in British society, and was less ideologically compromising than, say, causing an equivalent fuss about the fact that British foreign policy might be racist.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
15:51 / 06.02.07
Well first of all it wasn't just Jade and her family who were (arguably) guilty of racist bullying on CBB, there were other housemates involved as well. And to talk about Jade's 'family' in this context seems a bit much anyway, seeing it's really just her and her mother that are having their behaviour questioned - it's not as if the whole clan's being demonised.

I suppose it's easy enough to see Jade as some sort of victim because of her upbringing, but on the other hand, she's been a national celebrity for the last five years, so for over half of her adult life, with presumably any number of opportunuites to expand her horizons during that time. And I'm not sure she can fairly be described as stupid. She's run her own business, she's become a mother, she's employed staff, she's traveled internationally; she hardly seems to have been out of the media, and then there's the matter of her personal wealth, which must run to millions by now. Bearing all that in mind, the fact that none of it seems to have made much difference to how she treats individuals from non-Western cultures doesn't look to be something she can reasonably blame on her background any more.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:17 / 06.02.07
Sure, but I think the more unpleasant negative coverage Jade got in the press (and from some posters on this board) was based on a previously existing dislike, which all of a sudden had a 'legitimate' outlet as a result of her racist behaviour. People got to feel very self-righteous and smug from what was essentially a display of their own ignorance and idiocy.

Isn't that terribly handy, though, Nighthawk? That people who didn't share your opinion about it were, conveniently, not presenting a worthwhile opinion but were instead motivated by ignorance and idiocy?

This strikes me as potentially a product of the good old fundamental attribution error.
 
 
nighthawk
19:22 / 06.02.07
It would be terribly handy, yes. However, I was refering to the 'unpleasant negative media coverage' Jade received, in direct response to this from the opening post:

a lot of the anti-Jade criticism a) looked quite generally opportunisitic and cynical and b) seemed to involve calling her "a chav", "scum", etcetera, that is to say, focussing on the fact that she comes from a poor background rather than the fact that what she said was ignorant and stupid.

That was why I added the qualifier 'unpleasant', instead of suggesting that anyone who a) criticised Jade or b) disagreed with me must be motivated by ignorance and idiody.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:10 / 06.02.07
Not to derail this thread into too much of a discussion Jade as an individual (though I'd argue her personality is key in all this - her behaviour was eminently avoidable otherwise,) but why would a previously existing dislike of her appearances on television and in the press necessarily be based on a position of ignorance and idiocy? The character traits Jade displayed in the house would be objectionable coming from anybody, under any circumstances - If you'd had concerns about her before than I dare say you'd have been thoroughly vindicated, and I'm not sure why she should be excused on account of a personal back-story that really hasn't applied for at least four years now.

If she's been hauled over the coals for her performance, well so she should have been; what else should have happened? Should she have been given a pat on the back and told it was all right, on the basis that Britain's a covertly racist society, and she was only reflecting the situation, which she couldn't help doing because she hadn't had a proper education? Realistically, what sort of message would that have sent out?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:15 / 06.02.07
Ah - so, you were drawing a distinction between the unpleasant negative coverage and the pleasant negative coverage? I misunderstood, certainly. In which case, are the criteria for the coverage being unpleasant as Allecto R. defined them? Put another way, could you point to what you see as a pleasant negative approach to critique of Jade, for example on Barbelith?
 
 
nighthawk
20:17 / 06.02.07
OK, I think my first post was poorly phrased. I was suggesting that the criticism of Jade which revolved around her social background ('chav', 'scum'), appearance ('pig', 'docker'), etc. generally came from people who already disliked Jade. I didn't think ignorant and idiotic nature of this criticism was in doubt - indeed, I thought it was one of the reasons Allecto Regina started this thread.
 
 
nighthawk
20:33 / 06.02.07
Ah - so, you were drawing a distinction between the unpleasant negative coverage and the pleasant negative coverage?

No. I was referring to the unpleasant negative coverage which I thought Allecto Regina was referencing in hir opening post. If you want to infer a distinction between unpleasant and pleasant negative coverage that's your business, but (as I think you probably know) the fact that some subset of x (say, media articles, or Barbelith posts) can be described as unpleasant does not imply that the rest of x must be described as pleasant. In the past I have found some posts on Barbelith unpleasant, some pleasant, but most are neither one nor the other.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:05 / 06.02.07
Ah again. So, to make sure I've got this right - since presumably all the negative criticism was unpleasant if you were Jade Goodey, you mean by "unpleasant" criticism that was unpleasant for you to read, because of its relationship to issues of class, personal appearance &c., whereas other negative criticism, while not pleasant, did not have the same unpleasant effect - it was just negative criticism. Is that about right?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
21:31 / 06.02.07
Why is education, or lack of, an issue here?
Newsflash: educated people can be racist, overtly and covertly- the BNP's leader Nick Griffin is a Cambridge Law graduate, arguably more educated than myself and many other people on this board, and yet his racial views are a thousand times worse than anything Jade would be capable of. Furthermore, what is the British educational system as it stands supposed to do to counter racism? What is it that the posh Boy's school in my home town was doing to turn out a generation of urbane cosmopolitans that my own Comprehensive didn't do? How an institution so reviled by its target audience supposed to compete with parents and peers? Really I think that blaming the education system here a) absolves Jade, and any under-educated racist, of personal responsibility, b) assumes that non-racism is the sole property of the educated, as if the secret to not being a complete bastard to your fellow man is revealed during University Fresher's week, only accessible to the middle class since no working class person has ever been educated, and c) that education only works if a person is willing to learn, the same goes for anti-racist education, and the sort of person that gravitates towards racism and other forms of bigotry isn't the sort of person who changes their mind easily, more often bigots are comfortable with cognitive dissonance and will cling to their beliefs no matter what, in the same way that a lot of the people tutting over Shilpa's treatment on CBB will remain as ignorant now as they were before the show aired.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:47 / 06.02.07
All righty. Gotcha.

Hmm. I don't know - actually, I think that this was far more in evidence, at least in the mainstream press, during Jade's first go-round on Big Brother - when, before they realised that they had horribly misjudged the public mood, there was a sustained campaign of vilification against Jade, leading to an awkward about-face. Jade entered the Celebrity Big Brother house, as far as I understand popular culture, with quite a lot of goodwill from the GBP. She is sort of to celebrity culture magazines what Toyah was to Smash Hits, I think - she might not be as big a draw as a Hollywood star, but she's a lot more likely to give you an interview.

One way the GBP shows its support is financial - buying the magazines, the workout videos and so on - and that raises another interesting issue - Jade's background may be poor, but Jade most certainly is not. She has, in fact, parlayed her one-of-usness into a comfortable personal fortune, I believe. So, there's that. Of course, that doesn't insulate one from accusations of being common, or of having a poor upbringing - one can look across the Atlantic at Britney Spears to see a celebrty (albeit one of a different order from Jade) being described regularly in terms of her apparent "trashiness".

That celebrity does have other elements, though. One of those was that all of the trio of apparent persecutors of Shilpa - Jo, Danielle and Jade, would have received media training, and Jade in particular would have received more than the other two.This is what did strike me as remarkable - whereas the older members, like Dirk Benedict, Jermaine Jackson or Cleo Rocos have been pretty obscure since before one really gave people the same kind of structured training for dealing with the media. Whereas, actually, all Jo, Jade and Danielle do is deal with the media in some form or another, which makes the whole thing even more bewildering.

So, what lessons can the GBP learn from the breakdown in social skills of a group of people who live from OK! photoshoot to OK! photoshoot? That is a very confusing question, and to explore it may involve having to delve into the ways Jade and others are and are not representative of British society.
 
 
nighthawk
06:02 / 07.02.07
Right. But Just So stories for the GBP aside, and trying to bring this back on topic, why do you think so much of the media coverage took the form Allecto identified? And, if I can extend the question a little, why did this receive so much more attention than previous examples of a) racism and b) bullying on Big Brother? I think your suggestions in the CBB thread were probably along the right lines:

Because they were normal people? Because they did not have a fanbase who may have begun vocal protests? Because the Indian government has not been involved?

I certainly don't think Jade's background (be that as working-class girl or national celebrity) explains or justifies her behaviour, nor does it compound her guilt. It might be relevant to helping us understand why her meltdown received so much coverage in the press- proportionately far greater than other prevalent examples of racism in the UK - and why some of that coverage focused on aspects of her character that seemed quite irrelevant to the behaviour in question.
 
 
nighthawk
06:15 / 07.02.07
But Just So stories for the GBP aside

Oops, how embarassing - I think I meant 'Aesop's Fables' rather than 'Just So stories'...'How Jade got her racism'?!
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:57 / 07.02.07
Just to make a few things clear:

I'm not trying to say that some facet of Jade's upbringing excuses her behaviour - in any case, she's since got a lot richer and had media training, which, I have to say, I didn't think about.

I'm not trying to say that working class or uneducated people are always going to be racist, and nor am I trying to say that middle class or educated people are incapable of being racist - in fact, part of my point (although I don't think I made it clear enough) was that a lot of the class-based dissing of Jade seemed to play into exactly this myth - that the "intelligent people" who write newspaper collumns couldn't possibly be racist, that only Chavvy barbarians like Jade could be racist - and that if that collumnist chooses next week to start screaming against Asylum Seekers, that can't possibly be racist because they've proven their non-chavviness by slagging off Jade.

I think I can put my ideas into a clearer form now: I guess I'm worried that, if Britain really has started to care about racism, then the underpriviledged are now being marked as racists by the priviledged, which is a) unfair because of economic factors that put more pressure on the underpriviledged to be antagonistic, and b) often highly hypocritical on the part of the priviledged because they can be just as racist but dress it up as something else - "criticising Islam", say, or "concern about immigration". I see something similar happening w/regard to homophobia as well.

I don't know whether this is a reasonable concern, do you?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:44 / 08.02.07
I'm not sure it is because unless I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, I don't think you can split into the not-racist priviledged and the racist not-priviledged, as people have pointed out there are people from either side who fall outside this stereotype. Similarly there's the question that if Jade is actually a clever and succesful businesswoman why she hasn't tried to play the "I was acting the role of a stupid racist woman" defence rather than the "this is how I am, but I'm not a racist, it was taken out of context" argument.
 
 
Saturn's nod
18:59 / 08.02.07
I think I can put my ideas into a clearer form now: I guess I'm worried that, if Britain really has started to care about racism, then the underpriviledged are now being marked as racists by the priviledged, which is a) unfair because of economic factors that put more pressure on the underpriviledged to be antagonistic, and b) often highly hypocritical on the part of the priviledged because they can be just as racist but dress it up as something else - "criticising Islam", say, or "concern about immigration". I see something similar happening w/regard to homophobia as well.

This is one I've been thinking about too, if I understand correctly what you've written here. I think humans are really keen to scapegoat others for social crimes. 'Racism' is known to be social crime in a lot of British public arenas, but perhaps the study of racism is not sufficiently advanced for public occurences to be handled constructively.

As I understand it white supremacy is embedded in a lot of the cultural habits I've picked up, and as such I think being anti-racist is a collective endeavour and a work in progress. I know I catch myself in racist thinking too often for me to be complacent about my own part, but after some years of study I feel I am making progress in dismantling the conditioning I received as I grew up.

So in my model of racism, racist acts are very common and mostly unconscious. When I find myself enacting one, it's an unpleasant learning experience but I'm articulate enough to use it as fuel to my consciousness-raising.

I suspect that if you use a model of prejudice where acts of racial privilege are only ever conscious, it's easy to have the idea that there are "not racist" people and "racist" people (rather than "people who are all embedded in a system which carries out white supremacist prvilege through them to differing extents"). Once that assumption of a binary division of humanity's in place it's pretty easy to point fingers.

I think there's a lot of glee when people can point at behaviour they judge to be clearly prejudiced and perhaps that glee stems from this binary model of the world. Perhaps it runs something like this: "since I'm the one pointing at the racist behavious therefore I'm not racist". The fingerpointer gets to assert their membership in the socially acceptable "not racist" classification and presumably by doing so feels no further need to interrogate the power relations occuring in their lives between themselves people with different degrees of skin pigmentation?

It's much more comfortable to say "she's racist, she used hatespeech" than to glumly accept that her more obvious racism is evidence of the same deeprooted white supremacy that's affecting me and everyone else I know, and which seems to be only slightly easier to uproot than knotweed.

To relate this to what you wrote above, I guess perhaps the fingerpointers tend to be more articulate - perhaps just faster to claim the moral high ground. From what I've understand about scapegoating (mostly material about Rene Girard's christology in Walter Wink's 'Engaging the Powers') it's usual to choose those who have least power as scapegoats - because the community loses least that way when expelling them symbolically for the sins of the whole group.

The problem with scapegoating as I understand it is that the offending behaviour is a systemic property, and expelling or punishing the person judged to have sinned is only a temporary solution. Unless the work is put in to remove the root of the behaviour amongst the group as a whole - unlearning attitudes of racist, homophobia or whatever other dominance system - further scapegoating cycles will follow without progress having been made on the underlying problem.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
09:53 / 09.02.07
That's very much what I meant. I'm also thinking about the way that groups like the BNP claim to be or be speaking for "the white working class", or "Britain's indigenous people" (or whatever's the latest bollocks) - these sort of public houndings in which there is lots of scapegoating but no considered working-through of the problem look like the sort of thing that might, at the very least, start to split society further in two, continuing the oft-repeated right-wing platitude that only coffe shop intellectuals care about race, and at worst create a series of martyrs...

Pessimistic, perhaps.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:53 / 10.02.07
Well I think so, yes.

The situation's by no means perfect, but racism, along with sexism and homophobia, seems to be less of a problem in the UK than it was, say, twenty years ago.

The path towards something like enlightenment looks like it's going to be long, slow crawl for British society, but it seems to be advancing, nevertheless. And really, what else were the papers supposed to do when confronted with Jade's behaviour? It was, undeniably, a great story, so they had to have an opinion; would it have been better if they'd come out in support?

And at the risk of being tiring; Jade Goody doesn't speak for anybody else, and it's a huge mistake to assume otherwise.

Isn't this idea that 'we' are all inherently racist in some sense playing into the hands of the BNP, or related? If it's going to be difficult to relate to anyone from a different ethnic background without thinking about the power structures, etc, then isn't it going to be difficult to relate to them at all?
 
 
Quantum
12:40 / 12.02.07
if you use a model of prejudice where acts of racial privilege are only ever conscious, it's easy to have the idea that there are "not racist" people and "racist" people (rather than "people who are all embedded in a system which carries out white supremacist prvilege through them to differing extents"). Once that assumption of a binary division of humanity's in place it's pretty easy to point fingers. (apt titanium)

Here's an excellent example of finger pointing from the front page of the Daily Star today; YOU'RE RACIST SHILPA, The BB winner was blasted for starring in a comedy sketch that echoes the style of the Black And White Minstrel Show, axed in Britain in the 1978 amid a storm of protest. She is seen laughing and joking as a TV presenter cavorts around with a blacked-up face and an Afro wig.

I notice that the other half of the page was a topless glamour picture of Danielle Lloyd, with some implication that since Shilpa's racist, Danielle must be not-racist. Terrifyingly I found myself agreeing with Max Clifford;

Shilpa’s publicist Max Clifford, 63, scoffed at the outrage and said: “The Daily Star must be desperate to print this kind of rubbish.”
 
  
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