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2007, the Year of Grendel

 
  

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Janean Patience
11:56 / 05.02.07
A quarter of a century ago Grendel was born, in the back of Matt Wagner's semi-autobiographical comic Mage. Back then there were very few creator-owned comic characters and very few grey areas between superheroes and the underground. If you weren't Supergirl you were Robert Crumb. A costumed contract killer and crimelord with no moral sense who has an unhealthy relationship with a little girl and battles a man-wolf was something entirely new.

Wagner, the writer and the artist, has since claimed that Hunter Rose sprang fully-formed from his forehead, like Athena. The character came about because of stylistic contraints; with only a few pages to work with, Grendel needed a space-saving form of narrative to actually tell a story. That's how Devil by the Deed came about. The story of Hunter who garbed himself as Grendel and carved his mark on the world is told in text and illustration in beautiful art deco pages, design taking a much higher priority than conventional comics storytelling. The story itself is very strange, though I won't go into spoiler territory. It appears to me to be all the odder because of the format; because Wagner's concentrating on this new way of creating comics the strangeness of a love triangle between a little girl, a super-intelligent killer and a four-hundred-year-old wolf is allowed to pass unchallenged.

The regular series, which ran for 40 issues, was similarly born of innovation. When a regular series was suggested Wagner didn't see how he could work on one character for so long without getting bored. His answer was to make Grendel a legacy comic, with the mantle of Grendel being passed down through a number of different inviduals, and to make it a comic about a concept. Male violence, self-destruction, the lust for power, implacable hatred; these are Grendel, and we see them enacted against people and society over hundreds of years.

The second innovation of the regular series was that, aside from a couple of Hunter Rose interludes, Wagner wasn't the artist. Each arc (another innovation back then) had a different art team, and Wagner the writer was very much about playing to that team's strengths. The Pander Brothers had lots of fashion and kinetic action to draw, Bernie Minrault did grimy and urban and obsessive, the artists on God and the Devil swapped over depending on the POV character of the issue. From beginning to end, the themes of the comic have emerged from a swirling soup of innovation. Every new arc experimented with new storytelling techniques accompanying strange subject matter, more often than not working superbly. It was a lonely trailblazer, with very little following up its promise.

There have been quite a few Grendel comics since the series concluded: War Child which continued the story into the future and introduced Grendel Prime, two Batman/Grendel crossovers, and the two Black, White and Red series which finally filled in the detail on Hunter Rose. At the same time the original series has been recoloured and republished by Dark Horse with the aim of bringing everything back into print.

Matt Wagner has announced that 2007, the 25th anniversary, is going to be Grendel's year. There's a new manga-paced eight-issue series written and drawn by Matt about an untold chapter in Rose's life. The original, never-reprinted stuff is coming out as Grendel Classics. Devil by the Deed is being republished as a hardback and recoloured in black, white and red, and I'd expect the God and the Devil and Devil's Legacy trades to come out, which puts almost everything on to the shelves. There's never been a better time to get into Grendel.

A basic history here

and a Wagner interview here

and here.
 
 
grant
14:33 / 05.02.07
You might also like some of the Grendel scans I stuck up in this discussion of 1980s comic design.

It really was a groundbreaking book.
 
 
Mario
14:38 / 05.02.07
I've always liked the Hunter Rose and Prime versions (for different reasons). The others... not so much.
 
 
grant
20:03 / 05.02.07
Really? For me, it was Christine Spar & Eppy Thatcher -- largely (possibly) because those are the ones with the biggest backstories. Or maybe the play between the ongoing narrative (the present) and the mysterious stuff in the background (the past).

I mainly like Hunter Rose as the underpinning to Spar's story -- this shadowy figure she doesn't entirely understand who gradually becomes her way of defining herself. The filler stories in between aren't so much about self-definition, I don't think, as they are about tracking the Grendel-meme (which is really what I think Wagner was writing about, a few years before I ever heard the word "meme") through time.
 
 
Mario
21:12 / 05.02.07
Well, Hunter just had the most style... he was like Fantomas or Diabolik, without the occasional need to act heroic.

And Grendel Prime. Look up badass in the dictionary, and you won't find his picture... but the definition will be "A character who is almost as tough as Grendel Prime".
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
23:41 / 05.02.07
I loved, loved, loved Grendel ... almost every second of it ... and hated, hated, hated War Child. More later, maybe, but for now I'm wondering if I'm the only person who thought the series was great and "Lone Terminator and Cub" was just a big steaming dump.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
08:58 / 06.02.07
Definitely not the only one.

Grendel Prime, and War Child as a whole lacked pretty much everything I loved about the rest of Grendel. Although Finesse and personality didn't exactly seem it's raison d'etre so I may just be missing the point again.
 
 
Janean Patience
09:04 / 06.02.07
MattShepherd: I loved, loved, loved Grendel ... almost every second of it ... and hated, hated, hated War Child. I'm wondering if I'm the only person who thought the series was great and "Lone Terminator and Cub" was just a big steaming dump.

No, your views accord with mine so exactly that I'm considering asking you out to dinner and a show. Before the internet I had no information source for comics whatsoever, so the disappearance of Grendel when we'd been promised more was a complete mystery to me. Its reappearance with War Child excited me greatly, even unto the fifth issue, when I began to dejectedly admit to myself that this wasn't any good. I've re-read it a couple of times since and, apart from a single money moment at the end of #9, it's a misfire, a shockingly weak link in the Grendel chain.

WAR CHILD SPOILERS

Lone Terminator and Cub sums it up pretty perfectly. The storytelling style here is unpacked, Japanese, lots of silence and panoramas and action without words. To declare a bias at the start, this isn't a style that naturally appeals to me. I like my comics dense. The storyline seemed to have been planned with the intention of showing us Grendel's world, the globe reshaped by Orion Assante in the previous arc. It's not a bad idea, but the execution is so... mundane. Every location visited is populated by cliches from B-movies; the killer gorilla, the bad New York dudes, the voodoo swamp lady, the subterranean mutants who practise human sacrifice. Meanwhile, the machinations at home are of the most predictable kind. A sinister regent is attempting to take control and Orion's consort goes mad for no reason over the course of two scenes.

All this could be saved by a new Grendel. But it isn't. Grendel Prime is a cyborg, an unstoppable force, built from a loyal Grendel soldier and that's all there is to know about him. From the psychological complexity of Hunter Rose to this... There appears to be nothing of Grendel in him at all, which explains why he ends up searching for the essence in the lacklustre Devil's Quest. How Wagner thought this was a fitting destiny for the Grendel force is beyond me.

Mario: I've always liked the Hunter Rose and Prime versions.

What do you like about Grendel Prime, then? Is he better in that Greg Rucka novel? What is there to like?
 
 
Mario
09:46 / 06.02.07
He's interesting in the Rucka novel, but I like the fact that he's totally defined by his loyalty. In an age where hereos were more about looking cool than being heroic, he was a refreshing exception.

OTOH, the LW&C analogy is spot on, and he's not a bit like the other Grendels. Except maybe in Batman/Grendel II.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:55 / 06.02.07
Grendel always felt extremely adult to me. I was always drawn to the strong iconography of the title character, but the callous brutality and upfront sexuality was quite a tonic to my little mind.
I admittedly haven't read a great deal of the original series - the Wagner illustrated issues I think - and am not really interested in the Pander Bros issues (I find their Ty Wilson gone psychadelic artwork utterly unreadable). I did read a few of the Grendel Tales minis - The James Robinson one, the Rob Walton Catholic-bashing issues and the frankly excellent Darko Macan issues - and enjoyed the flexibility of the Grendel concept.
Wagner's one of the all time greats though.
 
 
Janean Patience
10:40 / 06.02.07
It seems it wasn't just me who hated War Child. I wonder how much damage that did to the Grendel saga as a whole - that for more than six years, all the good stuff was only available in back issues and the only trade on the shelves was, to be kind, unrepresentative of the whole?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:57 / 06.02.07
Okay, speaking as someone who fairly passed Grendel by on account of it looking a bit too bloody and badassed, where should I start? What should I avoid?
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
17:07 / 06.02.07
I honestly think you can skip the Mage back-up material. Beautifully designed, but eclipsed by the later work. But start with Grendel #1 and just keep going. It's all masterful, especially if you can put yourself in the mindset of a new reader that thinks it's a crime story and has no idea of the scope of the whole series to come.
 
 
grant
17:10 / 06.02.07
Heh -- I'd recommend looking at that link I stuck up there.
Basically, the chronology is:
1. Art Deco, pretty Hunter Rose story (morally ambiguous gangster)

2. 80s Pop Art Christine Spar story (society dame & novelist overcome by dark obsessions, looking like a Duran Duran record cover)

3. 80s "gritty shaky arty" Brian Li-Sung story.

4. A handful of filler stories. (Detectivey/cop story stuff more like Sandman Mystery Theater practice runs

5. The whacked Eppy Thatcher storyline (proto-Vertigo art, I suppose -- pop art + collage, telling far future punk rock story. Could easily have a Dead Kennedys soundtrack.)

6. The BIG EPIC Orion Assante story (far, far future political-history piece similar to Dune or, I dunno, Asimov's Foundation books).

7. All those Grendel mythology short stories an' that.

8. The Grendel Prime badassed bloody action movie "War Child" story. Weakest on plot, strongest on kicking ass with big, mechanical muscles.


Me, I like the Spar & Thatcher storylines the best.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:19 / 06.02.07
I'll see what I can find when I'm in the shop this week.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
17:33 / 06.02.07
The Hunter Rose stories are the ones I re-read most frequently, but I think the God and the Devil and Devil's Legacy are the high points. Of course, as Matt says, reading them cold isn't the best plan, as part of the enjoyment comes from the series' scope going nova.
 
 
Janean Patience
19:37 / 06.02.07
Papers: Speaking as someone who fairly passed Grendel by on account of it looking a bit too bloody and badassed, where should I start? What should I avoid?

Personally I'd ignore chronology and begin with one of the recent colllections: Black, White and Red or Red, White and Black. Both are about Hunter Rose, the first Grendel, and both are collections of about 17 short stories by a host of different artists. They're in keeping with the spirit of innovation that characterises Grendel, every story told in a different style according to the artist, they're in trade, and they're some of Wagner's best work. From there you'll be in a good position to decide whether you're interested in more. The BWR volume is more standalone, the RWB volume tells more of the core events. Anything confusing in either will be explained, if you're intrigued enough to follow it up, in Devil by the Deed.
 
 
Janean Patience
19:44 / 06.02.07
Oh, and the artists: Duncan Fegredo, Dean Motter, Tim Sale, John Paul Leon, Jason Pearson, Scott Morse, David Mack, Mike Allred, Guy Davis, D'Israeli and others in Black, White and Red; Andi Watson, Jill Thompson, Michael Zulli, Stan Sakai, Dan Brereton, Kelley Jones, Farel Dalrymple, Jim Mahfood and Wagner himself in Red, White and Black...

All those people like Grendel. Shouldn't you?
 
 
Raw Norton
21:25 / 06.02.07
I find it strange that the discussion thus far hasn't mentioned the Grendel Tales stories, that mid-90s Dark Horse series of miniseries, each featuring a different artist/writer team & set in the (I think) post-War Child Grendelverse. It was inconsistent, but some were pretty good, esp. the Macan/Biukovic ones.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:25 / 06.02.07
That does sound rather exciting. I like the idea of standalone shorts that build up into something bigger, especially paired with the idea of having all sorts of different artistic/genre styles being pumped into it. I'll see if the shop has either of those collections.
 
 
grant
21:27 / 06.02.07
I kind of lump those together with my #7 (all them short stories) category, mainly because I never bought 'em, only borrowed a couple from friends.

I suspect, actually, that a lot of what Mario & others think of as "Hunter Rose" storyline come from what I think of as those short stories.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
21:35 / 06.02.07
I find it strange that the discussion thus far hasn't mentioned the Grendel Tales stories, that mid-90s Dark Horse series of miniseries

Then you should pay closer attention because MacReady namechecked Four Devils, One Hell (James Robinson/Teddy Kristansen) and the Macan issues. Both of which, aside from a solitary issue of BWR (Sale, D'Israeli are the artist I remember), are the only minis I've read. Both excellent.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:45 / 06.02.07
Out of curiousity, until I have a chance to investigate in the flesh, what exactly does "being Grendel" mean? What does the mantle entail? Is there some mystical transference, out-and-out reincarnation, a duty or is it more along the lines of cycles and repeating patterns?
 
 
Mario
22:30 / 06.02.07
What does "being Grendel" mean?

If I were to theorize, I'd say that Grendel is a catalyst, who, by his or her actions, destabilizes the social order. It's not unlike "Repent, Harlequin", except in terms of violence.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:41 / 06.02.07
Does Grendel dump jellybeans onto sidewalks? Because that would be cool. Very, very cool. Especially if there are run-on sentences involved.

Does the Beowulf myth come into play in anyway?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:49 / 07.02.07
"War Child" was pretty much where I parted company with Grendel, having been totally Grendel-obsessive until that point. I don't think I ever even got to the end of that one.

Eppy Thatcher was by far my favourite Grendel.

I may have to try to find them all again and do a re-read- it's been a while, and I'm interested to see whether they blow me away the same now as they did then.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
02:02 / 07.02.07
War Child was the first Grendel I read after Devil by the Deed and I loved it. I can't be alone in the War Child love, can I? A pulpy apocalyptic earth, goregous art, a horribly mutilated warror Lone Wolf and Cub-ing it across vast wastelands.

To me, Grendel Prime's differance from the Grendel pattern made the character. He was, if anything, the spiritual sucessor of both Hunter and Argent boiled down and debased. And well, love and honor and duty getting debased and twisted is pretty much a hallmark of the Grendel Legacy.
 
 
Janean Patience
07:50 / 07.02.07
Stoatie: War Child was pretty much where I parted company with Grendel, having been totally Grendel-obsessive until that point. I don't think I ever even got to the end of that one.

Yeah, War Child sucked. In my opinion. If you enjoy Grendel on re-reading and you're in a comics-buying mood, pick up either of the Black, White and Red collections. I really think it would be hard not to enjoy them. Think 22 Short Films About Hunter Rose... you'll be doodling the Grendel symbol on Post-Its in no time.

Eppy Thatcher was by far my favourite Grendel.

Mine too. That storyline was the highlight of the regular series for me. It appeared to be what it was all working towards. The first issue of it is staggeringly dense in terms of narrative. There are four or five different stories. some only visual, some only text, all the different characters introduced (and a different world) at once, packed with foreshadowing, portents, metaphor. Like eight tracks of dischordant noise building to one piece of music, and the final cacophonous moment of the new Grendel's appearance finishes it perfectly.

Raw Norton: I find it strange that the discussion thus far hasn't mentioned the Grendel Tales stories.

I only read a few of them, that's why I've not brought them up, and never read the one everyone's saying is good. Devil's Hammer, the anti-Catholicism story, was pretty good. I'm kind of a purist so if it ain't Matt Wagner, it ain't really Grendel, though Diana Shultz's two-parter about Stacey, Devil Child, is a brilliant exception.

If Comico hadn't gone down taking Grendel with it, there would have been a Wagner-written Grendel Tales drawn by Eddie Campbell. Oh, would I have loved that.

Papers: What exactly does "being Grendel" mean? Does the Beowulf myth come into play in anyway?

Beowulf isn't relevant or hasn't been so far. Interestingly, according to Wikipedia the origins of the name are shrouded in mystery and there's some debate about what kind of a monster Grendel was.

In the comic, it's a name amoral prodigy Hunter Rose takes for a career as an assassin, and the name and iconic costume become objects of fear. His granddaughter Christine Spar then uses the costume and name for her own ends in Devil's Legacy and we get the first hints that there may be a separate entity called Grendel with its own motives that uses and destroys people. The characteristics of this entity are never exactly made clear; it's certainly vengeful, violent, power-hungry, destructive. I'd also argue it's a very male force, and that women touched by or involved with Grendel suffer greatly.
 
 
Mario
13:34 / 07.02.07
I wonder... could you cast Argent in the Beowulf role?
 
 
grant
16:56 / 07.02.07
I don't think so -- not easily.

I, uh, bought the Argent backstory mini (called Silverback," written in that awful "Aboriginal" font that popped up on Vertigo covers in the mid-90s), and it was a story more about a kind of Wendigo/werewolf thing. A curse visited on an Algonquian predating the first European settlers, leaving him half-beast but nearly immortal.

Can't even remember if Wagner wrote that one....

Anyway, I couldn't see any parallels with Beowulf there, but I'm only half-familiar with the whole epic (rather than just the Grendel/Grendel's mom bit, which is the first of I think three sections, isn't it?)


Is there some mystical transference, out-and-out reincarnation, a duty or is it more along the lines of cycles and repeating patterns?

Well, it's both, all of the above, depending on who's narrating. I think "meme" is very much the right word for what Grendel is -- a kind of idea of using violence to solve problems that becomes infectious and all-consuming. Sometimes the idea is read as a spirit, sometimes it's just a system of approaching one's adversaries.

To a certain degree, Argent is the Van Helsing to Grendel's Dracula. Notice, though, that vampires are the creepies Grendel pursues most often. Those subtle things that drain energy and hide in the dark. It's hard to draw any clear allegories with this kind of story.
 
 
Janean Patience
07:42 / 26.02.07
The new series is to be called Behold The Devil and it looks like all sorts of stuff is being brought out to raise the Grendel profile. Bringing in new readers and old readers who bugged out after the Comico series/War Child both, with any luck. (Strange that the worst Grendel series is the only one that doesn't namecheck the devil in the title.)

And there's another book to follow this one, according to the interview; Wagner writing Grendel for another artist. It's like the late 80s again, and I for one can hardly wait.
 
 
Janean Patience
11:13 / 15.08.07
Matt Wagner’s year of shamelessly pimping Grendel continues at Newsarama with the ultimate Grendel interview, covering each phase of the devil separately. It’s interesting because the storytelling used a number of very formal devices - changing art for different strands, Hunter standing outside of the panels in Devil Tales, the two layers of narration in The Devil Inside - that would be very deliberate and not a little distancing if used by Alan Moore. But according to Matt they were generally the result of artistic decisions, an instinctive writer/artist becoming a formalist as a writer in order to stop himself getting bored.

Some of the interviews appear in the preview issue of Behold The Devil which offers six pages of the upcoming Christine-and-Hunter series. There’s not much to say about this. Compared to what Wagner’s done in eight pages in the black, white and red books it’s very traditional comics, and nor does his art style here blow me away. But given that this series is hoping to get new readers into the whole Grendel saga, it’s probably best not to be too experimental straight away.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
14:51 / 15.08.07
"Can't even remember if Wagner wrote that one...."

Bill Messiner-Leobs w/a Matt Wagner plot.

Apparently (according to the newsarama interview series at least) part of Argent's inspiration was that Grendel's nemesis should "Be-A-Wolf".
 
 
Digital Hermes
15:47 / 16.08.07
The whole "Be-a-wolf" thing was one of those things that just makes you smile. Though Wagner is a great artist, and a skilled writer and idea man, sometimes things are a lot simpler then you think.

The Newsarama interview really underlines that. There are many questions about how characters introduced early (like Tujiro in Christine Spar's tale) go on to have a major effect in the Grendel World. More often then not, this wasn't known when the character was created...

It's probably a fallacy to think that a creator has a perfectly explainable reason for every facet of every word in his or her work, yet when it reaches high popularity, people can't help but posit meanings that the author never intended.

As for the War Child saga, [SPOILERS] I found it enjoyable and fun. The LW&C comparison is valid on the surface, in that we follow a warrior (often weilding a sword) who is travelling with a child, but it breaks down pretty quick. The samurai of Lone Wolf is on a quest that isn't about placing his son at the head of any government. (As far as I know. I haven't finished reading that series yet.)

Also, the relationship in LW is that of a father and son, with all of it's themes. War Child has themes of loyalty and commitment, (Prime has a speech in he details what he's given up for Grendel-Khan) but it's also intended to be an adventure romp. People here have criticized it for it's falling into the tropes of pulp fiction, but from the above-mentioned interview, that was the intent. That said, if mutants, vampires, gorillas, pirates, gangs, and general violence aren't your thing...

I found the Eppy Thatcher/Orion Assante story to be more difficult... the often abstracted art and strange writing made it a weird turning point of the Grendel saga, though I suppose it was the crucible that brought us through to the world of Grendel-Khan. Still, that story lacks the strong, beleivable characters of the earlier incarnations, and the fascinating political/memetic domination of Grendel across the planet. Concisely, it was innovative, but narratively disconnected.
 
 
Janean Patience
17:15 / 16.08.07
I found the Eppy Thatcher/Orion Assante story to be more difficult.

In contrast, that's the heart of the series for me. This fantastically polyphonic story of a dystopian future and the epic battle for humanity to survive, a predator on each side wanting only to corner the market in prey... It's difficult, sure, with layer on layer of meaning piling up to the point of overload in the first issue alone before our new Grendel blows it all away in a crash of stained glass, blood and money.

Silverback, mentioned above, I hunted down after years of wanting it and it's not that good. The middle issue's fine, the first and last are based on stuff Matt had come up with way back in the original series and it kind of shows. If you're going to be hunting back issues get The Incubation Years, issues #20 to #22, instead as they're not going to be reprinted anywhere and they're amazing, experimental, and crucial to the saga.

A curious footnote: in the back of Silverback there are three text pages from a Grendel novel Wagner wrote and never published. The last concerns the final words of Hunter and Argent. And they're fucking awful, tritely written like a romance novelist dipping into the sword and sorcery genre. Yet the same scene in Red, White & Black, illustrated by Michael Zulli, is extraordinary and a fitting capstone to the whole overblown epic saga of the two. It's weird.
 
  

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