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Proposal For a Group Re-Reading Of The Invisibles

 
  

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Tim Tempest
00:32 / 31.01.07
I am proposing that as a group, we re-read The Invisibles, and dissect it together, along with noticing any synchronicities or magical effects in your own life. Plus, this way, maybe we can add some more annotations to the Bomb, because such a beautiful little site doesn't deserve to be put on the back shelf and locked away forever.

So, who is up for this?

I figured that with such an influx of new members, and alot of references to The Invisibles as reasons for joining, we should dig out our old collections, and read them from start to finish. Taking notes all the way.

(As for the magickal effects, I was wondering if perhaps a second thread be started in The Temple...I'd like to hear some moderator thoughts on that).
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
00:36 / 31.01.07
Why not read some of the current work by Grant like this instead? I missed the bubble on the glorious days way back (cause I was a foolish and unknowing lad) and I would prefer to keep current.

However,there is nothing wrong with the idea though and I might give it a try.
 
 
Rachel Melmoth
00:58 / 31.01.07
How funny -- I just finished rereading it about ten minutes ago. But sure, I'd be up for re-rereading it along with everyone else.

Are you suggesting doing it reading-club style and everyone reads it in semi-synch (e.g, issue one on a Monday, two on a Tuesday, etc.) or just all go off and reread it and come back when we're done?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:02 / 31.01.07
I think, at the moment, I'd rather do this with All-Star Superman (which we're already kind of doing with the thread) or Doom Patrol which is happening to some extent in that thread, although it doesn't get going right away. Invisibles isn't where I'm at this point.
 
 
Char Aina
01:05 / 31.01.07
if you're going to measure sigil-isms, surely you'd need to do it fairly synched?

i'd say set a handful of issues a week to be read, and then a start day for discussion of those issues.
that way folks can do an issue a day or several at once, depending on their schedule. if you get behind you can ignore the thread from wednesday, or whenever you decide the day is.

if your discussion's about teh majeekue in and within the book you should probably have a thread for that angle in the temple, and then one here for the more trad literary critique.
i think you'd get a better spread of answers that way, although i think you might well have to put up with people laughing about your project.

i say fuckem and do what you like with it, but i reckon some might take the piss.
 
 
calgodot
02:49 / 31.01.07
I'm in.
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
03:31 / 31.01.07
I'd read it again.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:57 / 31.01.07
the invisibles.

what a fuckin great comic.

thought i should say.
 
 
Triplets
08:59 / 31.01.07
I haven't read the full thing from issue A to issue Z so I'd probably be up for this.
 
 
Mario
09:47 / 31.01.07
I'm game.
 
 
Princess
09:51 / 31.01.07
I haven't read it at all, so I'd be up for it.
 
 
Benny the Ball
12:10 / 31.01.07
I'd be up for it - could we perhaps create links and recommended further reading for each section?
 
 
Quantum
12:59 / 31.01.07
Well my SO is about to read it for the first time, so I'd be up for a re-read. I'd prefer a more critical analysis if nobody minds, examining the flaws in the series as well as gushing about Fanny.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
13:12 / 31.01.07
I haven't re-read it in a few months, feels about time.

I'm up for a more structured critical approach.
 
 
Tim Tempest
13:33 / 31.01.07
Are you suggesting doing it reading-club style and everyone reads it in semi-synch (e.g, issue one on a Monday, two on a Tuesday, etc.) or just all go off and reread it and come back when we're done?

Yes, this should be done in a semi-synchronized fashion. We're reading this whole thing together.

i'd say set a handful of issues a week to be read, and then a start day for discussion of those issues.
that way folks can do an issue a day or several at once, depending on their schedule. if you get behind you can ignore the thread from wednesday, or whenever you decide the day is.


Toksik, you pretty much nailed it on the head right there. That's how it should be done, so that we do a handful of issues/week, and then do some serious/fun analysis.

if your discussion's about teh majeekue in and within the book you should probably have a thread for that angle in the temple, and then one here for the more trad literary critique.

Alright, I will go and start another thread in the Temple if there is enough interest in watching the magickal effects of this glorious hypersigil. So, is anyone else interested in that?

what a fuckin great comic.

It really, really is.

could we perhaps create links and recommended further reading for each section?

Abso-freakin-lutely.

The only thing I worry about is the first timers, because, if you've read the comic, you know that time plays a rather important role in foreshadowing and unravelling the mysteries of the play.

For example, it will come up that when we look at Dane's initial adventures with Tom O'Bedlam, we see 2 significant characters for a single panel, and then, like, 25 issues later, we see the same scene, except from the other person's perspective. What I'm trying to get at here is that I just want it ALL to be open to talk about during the whole run, and I don't want to have to worry about ruining the story for any new readers, because, it's just such a damn fine read.

I'd prefer a more critical analysis if nobody minds, examining the flaws in the series as well as gushing about Fanny.

Exactly man. Critical analysis, funny commentary, whatever. This is a group thing and everyone deserves to say whatever they want about this comic. Even if you hate it. Which, if you do, I would imagine you wouldn't be reading this thread at all.

So, we just need to agree upon a starting date, and if a Temple thread should be made.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
13:40 / 31.01.07
Even if you hate it. Which, if you do, I would imagine you wouldn't be reading this thread at all.

Eh heh heh. Hello Oddman, welcome to the internet.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:54 / 31.01.07
I'm certainly happy to provide sneery metacommenatary and nob jokes. When do we start?!?!
 
 
Spaniel
14:11 / 31.01.07
I've never bothered reading it all. I might see if the MARRIAGE has still got the trades.
 
 
ginger
14:28 / 31.01.07
gushing about Fanny

back in me box.

more than up for a bit of this, but don't get upset if i start talking huge amouts of shit about bakhtin.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:48 / 31.01.07
not read it?

bad boboss.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:54 / 31.01.07
Well, you know, comics _are_ for kids... and Boboss is not a kid. He is a father. Comics are not for fathers. Comics are for kids.
 
 
Janean Patience
14:58 / 31.01.07
I'd have to find the comics, which are in boxes in a wardrobe, but yeah I'm there. I loved v1 but regarded the whole as a grand failure, so I'd be delighted to have my mind changed.

The last time I read them I did it backwards. The last page of v3 #1 from the bottom, the rest of that issue back to front, #2 to #4 in that order, then each storyline read as presented but in a reverse sequence... it's an interesting way of doing it. Not that I'm suggesting it for this reading.
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:58 / 31.01.07
We're all someone's kids, Haus - unless it's one of those 'of woman born' things - comics are for kids of woman born.
 
 
Janean Patience
14:59 / 31.01.07
Comics are not for fathers. Comics are for kids.

What about the children who are the fathers of the man?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:14 / 31.01.07
Well, if they are fathers, they are not kids, so comics are not for them. Otherwise, they are kids, so comics are for them. Simple!
 
 
Triplets
15:24 / 31.01.07
I think the Bosun should weigh in with his thoughts on the Invisbs. Bosun is a kid. Comics? For kids.

We're all someone's kids

Unless they've grown-up and made small their heads. Then they are not kids.
 
 
Evil Scientist
16:16 / 31.01.07
We're all someone's kids

I'm not. Stupid temporal paradox.
 
 
Spaniel
16:44 / 31.01.07
not read it?

bad boboss.


I've read big chunks of it, if fact I might've read it all, but over a long period of time and with no attempt to put the pieces together.

By way of an explanation I lived with the world's biggest freak for the Invisibles. I didn't need to read it, I had it coming out of my ears.

Bosun can't read it. He's too little and thick.
 
 
grant
16:54 / 31.01.07
Sheep?
 
 
iamus
17:02 / 31.01.07
I've been meaning to do it for the past couple of months. It's been a few years now and the time's ripe. Count me in too.
 
 
This Sunday
17:12 / 31.01.07
I'm down for a critical reread, but agree with the sentiment posed above that it should be of the whole, not a bit at a time. A bit at a time, issue by issue or trade by trade is not conducive to critical analysis unless you're doing a kind of Stanley Fish reader-response routine. Which, is valid in and of itself, yes, but I think we've got plenty of that, and a real after-the-fact consideration might be the way a current analysis should run to be beneficial in ways the older threads and annotations may not be.
 
 
sn00p
18:10 / 31.01.07
I'm in. I was just thinking of doing this.
 
 
PatrickMM
18:32 / 31.01.07
Yesterday, my friend came over and asked to see The Invisibles part with Oppenheimer, and she went on to read the whole of Bloody Hell in America. So, that's as good a sign as any that it's time to return.

Regarding the structure of the read, I'd agree that it needs to be looked at in light of the whole. Perhaps we could do a seperate as things go thread without spoilers, for first time readers, but it's a series that really needs to be evaluated as a whole unit. But, I do think the reread should be structured in chunks of issues, so everyone reads say 1-4, then we talk about it, rather than just reading the whole thing and talking at the end. I'm not sure if that's what Descent was implying we do, but I think that would just be too unwieldy and we'd lose a lot in the process. But, either way I'm down and excited to return to the series.
 
 
This Sunday
19:21 / 31.01.07
The impetus behind the 'all at once' suggestion was based primarily on the idea that we talk about the series as a whole, or parts in a non-linear fashion, rather than being slaves to events or issues as they occur in the run of the series. This may leave out or discourage people who've never read it before, but this is a proposal for 're-reading' after all. People with different situations than mine don't count... ahem, rather it's just that it seems most of what can be gleaned from an issue-by-issue build-up type analysis has been done before, multiple times, online and in print.

Seemed a different tactic might garner different, new, results just as beneficial. Some issues, especially those of a social-commentary, meta-fictional, or long-term angle would be difficult to discuss while maintaining spoilers and such. Dealing from a revelation backwards, however, or with a concept or element all on its own, throughout the series, rather than at any specific point, would enable the conversation to be that much more comprehensive.

But, y'know, whatever the masses desire.
 
 
PatrickMM
19:47 / 31.01.07
I'd agree there, but I think it would be best to structure the read on an issue by issue basis, so you could talk about stuff from the whole series, but use the issues as a guide for that progression. So, in talking about issue one, you could discuss the way the opening monologue ties into themes from the end of Volume III. That works for me.
 
  

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