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ONLY NICE THINGS
09:19 / 24.09.07
Yeah - this doesn't work, but I think you'll find that, if this is how it is structured, having any moderator able to vote on it is going to be harder to code - because at present it functions just like a standard moderation request - you can vote on it if it's in a forum you moderate.

So, if it can be arranged so that any moderator can vote on it (8 votes), or moderators in the relevant forum (fewer than 8 votes), that could work, although the latter is gets into trickier water involving banning being a relatively minor amend. Another way to get round it would be to, if the functionality still exists, create some people who can vote on moderator requests in any forum, who would then, I imagine, also be able to vote on any banning proposition. That's what we did last time, although the ban button itself functioned differently (and also did not actually function).
 
 
Spaniel
09:28 / 24.09.07
That could well be most expeditious way of getting round the problem. Seems like a bit of a bodge, tho'.

Oh, for a board that works...
 
 
jentacular dreams
11:05 / 24.09.07
Would policy mods be willing to accept mod powers for all fora? Given that policy is in many ways our operational centre, it would in some ways ake sense to give them the swing votes.
 
 
Quantum
11:17 / 24.09.07
Following from the darkmatter thread, how banhappy are we for spammers? Does it differ between fora? I'm pro banning for asshats who clog up the board with drivel, but I'm often a hawk about the ban. Any doves want to talk me down to locking and deleting?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:50 / 24.09.07
Yeah - this doesn't work, but I think you'll find that, if this is how it is structured, having any moderator able to vote on it is going to be harder to code

That's the problem with my ideal workaround- (in which) a ban request can be put in by a moderator in a forum the "troll" (or whatever) is shitting in, mods from elsewhere can vote on it. We'd also have to trust mods from other fora to actually take the time to check out why the initial request was made, though, which is a whole different type of variable.
 
 
HCE
00:46 / 25.09.07
A few things:

1. Voting for a ban before there's been any discussion.

This is what happened with darkmatter. Why this happened makes a difference, I think. There is a precedent for Tom banning somebody out of hand for holocaust denial. Banning for use of an anti-semitic slur can credibly be seen as comparable. However, it was not described that way in the initial post in the darkmatter banning proposal thread. In fact, the early posts made it seem to me that he was up for banning for posting drivel. While it would delight my shriveled elitist heart if it ever became the case that we have a common understanding that being a moron is sufficient cause for banning, we do not currently have that understanding.

I suggest using a standardized format for all bannings that includes a standard thread title and first post. The title could read something like "Proposed Ban: [poster's current or most familiar name]". The summary could include other familiar names and the key problems, perhaps. The first post might contain links to offensive posts and a brief summary of what it is that makes them offensive. It would be ideal if it also contained anything in the poster's favor, with an explanation of why such factors are insufficient reason to prevent a ban. (For example, some people felt that shadowsax had experienced some bitter personal difficulties that highly colored his view of the family court system in the US, and that this should be taken into account when assessing his posts. I would have argued that the anger distress caused by his posts and behavior outweighed that.) Anything else that anybody can think of that would help make things clear and efficient?

2. Banning for drivel.

Are people coming around on the issue of post quality? I for one would fucking love to ban for drivel. Maybe banning for sexism will become easier! Dare I hope?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
02:07 / 25.09.07
While it would delight my shriveled elitist heart if it ever became the case that we have a common understanding that being a moron is sufficient cause for banning, we do not currently have that understanding.

It wouldn't necessarily delight mine (I'll admit I quite like having these characters around, if largely because the biting responses, rather than what's been said in the first place, often entertain my personal small lump of coal) 'we' do seem to be heading towards just such a place.

Darkmatter hasn't really been sustained enough in his antics to count as a troll, IMVHO, nor has he said anything all that offensive (if he'd been posting in Conversation I doubt anyone would have batted an eyelid) but on the other hand, seeing as most of the people who favoured the 'banish with laughter' option don't seem to be around much anymore, or at all, and seeing as the mood in general is a lot more, erm, bloodthirsty, perhaps, than it was, then maybe it could be policy that board members are banned simply for posting bollox/taking the piss/being assholes etc.

If that is going to happen though, shouldn't there be a longer discussion about it?
 
 
HCE
02:56 / 25.09.07
If it ever comes to that, there will be, don't worry. 'We' are not there yet, though. I think that the initial arguments put forth weren't the strongest ones because people were upset, so they focussed on what was most immediately upsetting. They have since addressed the initial shortcomings and others have supplied a variety of more traditional reasons. Whether these reasons will be found persuasive by 'we' remains to be seen. If you find drivel thrilling, of course, I will as ever be happy to provide you with links to some.
 
 
Char Aina
13:45 / 26.09.07
[+] [-] This is for M. Shaftoe

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