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All Acting Regiment
20:00 / 23.12.06
So, first thing's first, lots of people are homeless, addicted to drugs, pregnant underage, ill...and without wanting to sound trite, it pisses me off that I'm getting all of these presents and nice bits of food and they're suffering more than I am or ever will. This continues despite the fact that I am getting one of those Oxfam "buy an alpaca for a village" gifts. I suppose it'll make a bit of a difference, bit still, I could be doing so much more. So this thread's partly about that.

It's also for anyone here who isn't feeling particularly cheerful despite the season, for any reason. Don't feel you need to give us any details, just, well, it's there.
 
 
Feverfew
20:06 / 23.12.06
And it's appreciated.

The festive season is, you could say, magic for children and magic for the parents of children (once you get past the rampant consumerism). However, for many other people, it's another reminder of the people who aren't here to 'celebrate' the festive season with us any more.

Oh, and if you want to be politically correct, it's 'Winterval', I believe. (But don't use that in polite conversation.)

Strip away all the pretty lights and the sentiment, and it's a two-day bank holiday (since the sixties in Britain, anyway), isn't it?

Anyway, I have nothing more coherent to add, other than a general sense of 'meh' to the entire season at the moment. But that's just me...
 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:18 / 23.12.06
I find it very hard to get pissed off about the disparity between how much I'm getting and how much other people aren't without looking ungrateful to all the people who are getting me stuff.

Sod it. Going to get mince pies and vodka. I may be some time.
 
 
Mistoffelees
20:21 / 23.12.06
Yes, I already dread tomorrow. The 24th is the most important of the three Christmas days here, and I had to get all kind of groceries because the shops will be closed on monday and tuesday, too. There will be lots of people visiting my neighbours, so I´ll go to the movies tomorrow, that way I won´t have to hear them making their festivity noises. I´ll probably watch The Departed, that should brighten my mood!
 
 
w1rebaby
21:18 / 23.12.06
I'm just pissed off that it takes the biggest fucking holiday out of the entire calendar to get me some fucking time off work, and I'm going to be back on Wednesday anyway, annual leave be buggered. Today is my first day off since... a week before last Monday I think.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:47 / 24.12.06
Bastards. I'd string 'em up in tinsel, it's the only decorage they understand...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:26 / 24.12.06
It's a crimp in my plans. A spanner in the works. A needless interruption. A sort of empty gap in which everyone fucks off back to the sticks to endure their families, and disconnects their internet connection.

Bah, humbug.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:38 / 24.12.06
I'm here for you, Fly.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:45 / 24.12.06
Why, it's the Spirit of Christmas Present! Isn't the floaty chick supposed to show up first?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:47 / 24.12.06
Or should that be Clarence? I could do with being shown a vision of the world in which everything is shit because I was never born, I tells ya...
 
 
Jack Fear
14:00 / 24.12.06


Joseph, Jesus and Mary. Help my friend Mr. Flyboy.

He never thinks about himself, God; that's why he's in trouble.

Joe is a good guy. Give him a break, God.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:03 / 24.12.06
I disconnect my internet connection for NO-ONE. Not even the little baby Jesus.

Seriously, guys, you're starting to freak me out.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:08 / 24.12.06
Thanks Jack! Although I serioudly doubt that's the root of my troubles...

Stoats, if it was up to me neither would I, but I'm going to be taking my laptop with me tonight on the off-chance that there will be an open wireless network floating around in the Staffordshire air... And it's a very, very slim chance.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
14:13 / 24.12.06
...in which everyone fucks off back to the sticks to endure their families...

The weird thing is, one day I will probably be the family in the sticks that the kinder fuck off back to endure. But I'll make 'em listen to breakbeat plunderphonic Xmas mashups, so they might be a tiny bit grateful.

Or probably not.

Good luck with that wireless connexion, Fly. They're spreading wider!
 
 
Spaniel
14:19 / 24.12.06
Hey, just remember that some of us actually like our families? That thought keeps me sane when I think of the Bosun being all grown up
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:26 / 24.12.06
Unlike the World Cup, though, Christmas and the idea of spending a lovely Christmas with one's lovely family really is omnipresent and inescapable right now, Boboss. So I think people should feel free to generalise bitterly about such things in this thread...
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
14:29 / 24.12.06
Totally agree with you on that, Fly, by the way, but also with Boboss for that matter.

It's a time of year when I miss the memory of spending time with my parents quite a bit, but having a small child here to enjoy her enjoying of Xmas helps put the sadness to the side.
 
 
Spaniel
14:30 / 24.12.06
That was to Django, Fly. You're entitled to hate the forced fun.
 
 
Mistoffelees
14:43 / 24.12.06
Anybody else not giving away any presents? Just like last year, I again didn´t help to uphold the economy and to do my part for healthy job growth.
 
 
Spaniel
14:54 / 24.12.06
Ah, but you do own stocks and shares so it isn't all bad.
 
 
Mistoffelees
14:58 / 24.12.06
I agree, our vice chancellor doesn´t. He calls shareholders etc locusts, that ignorant miscreant.

I have been buying and eating christmas sweets since early autumn though!
 
 
Jack Fear
15:29 / 24.12.06
Buy Nothing Christmas is an interesting initiative in that regards...
 
 
Jack Fear
15:51 / 24.12.06
Back to the sympathetic; I am, honestly. Because the experience I’m hearing in this thread is not so far from my own. I mean, I’m married with kids; Christmas, you’d think, is made for people like me. And, to be honest, in recent years, we’ve successfully carved out some traditions and rituals that allow us to enjoy the holiday season.

But it has required us to keep a tight control over who is included in those traditions. And right now, expanding the celebration of Christmas beyond the tight circle of my immediate nuclear family and a few close friends is simply not on the table.

D and I both grew up in large extended families, and our families lived within a few hours of each other—so the whole time we were dating and into the early years of our marriage, our presence was expected at both family homes. And we could never plan it satisfactorily—it seemed we would always leave her dad’s house before dinner, so as not be late at my Mom’s, only to find that my family had eaten dinner without us hours earlier and we’d missed dessert. We were trying to please everyone, and ended up pleasing no one, least of all ourselves.

This continued after we had kids—and by this time, I was directing a choir, which meant that the church basically owned my December; I would lead three weeks of practices, then play five Masses between Christmas Eve and Christmas morning—and then begin the grim slog from one family’s house to the other.

We did this for ten years of marriage.
And then we had enough.

It took a radical restructuring of our lives and a 400-mile move to get off the treadmill. It took some sack, but it had to be done. I know there have been hurt feelings—some of them ours—but it was an overdue and necessary thing. And it’s allowed us to rediscover some joy in Christmas.

I mean, I do love my extended family, but I find I enjoy them more when it’s not mandatory. If I were single—Christ, I think I’d prefer to spend Christmas alone, rather than do that dance every year.

Every year they call and ask if we’re coming “home” for the holidays; and every year I tell ‘em, Geez, no, doesn’t look like finances and work schedules are going to allow for it this year. And then I hang up the phone, and turn to my wife and my kids and my friends, and know that we are home.

Sometimes, you carry home with you. May it be for all of us.

You are in my thoughts and prayers, every one of you. Happy Christmas, guys.
 
 
The Natural Way
16:10 / 24.12.06
Feverfew, the 'Winterval' thing was bollocks. G2 ran a big piece debunking the whole 'PC nutter muslims killing Xmas!' tabloid thing. Which brings me to my point: 'PC'? Eh? Now I'm thinking you might read Murdoch's rag, but I'm not sure about the time you spend perusing Barbelith. How long have you been posting here, guy?
 
 
Mistoffelees
16:27 / 24.12.06
Jack, your link doesn´t work.

But your post was some very good reading. I agree, it would be best if people would celebrate christmas with other people because they want to instead of having a feeling of obligation. But I know from my friends that that can be very difficult to pull through.
 
 
Spaniel
16:47 / 24.12.06
The older you get the easier it is, I think. I've seen friends that previously hated Christmas start to enjoy it over the last couple of years, mainly because they took ownership and started to dictate the terms of their own festivities. Of course, that's not always possible, but it seems to me that putting your foot down gets less painful when you pass into your late twenties/early thirties

Of course, there are other reasons to dislike Christmas, some of which have been touched upon in this thread.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:00 / 24.12.06
I are dumb.

Linky fixy.
 
 
jentacular dreams
18:25 / 24.12.06
I just wrote a nice little moan on here about how my sister hasn't taken over my role very well since I moved away and found the entire thing so cathartic I was able to delete it happily. Back to hanging decorations I suppose.

thanks 'lith!
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
18:27 / 24.12.06
Boboss, this seems to be the case with people I know, including myself.

I certainly enjoy the festivities, the gathering the food, the planning, the chaos in the run up to the day itself - just like today, busy though it's been. I enjoy the simple enthusiasm of Childe F as she gets closer to bedtime tonight, and each year she gets more and more out of it. That alone makes it worth it, and the meeting up with friends old and new, and my family too, is generally a great, fun time of silliness and fine whiskies.

However, I dislike the rampant consumerism, especially being sucked into it, though to an extent it could be looked on as the extension by other means of the same urge to consumerism which bombards many people's lives all year round. If I buy someone a book, for example, which I know they will like, then I can at least take comfort from the probability that they might well have bought that book themselves anyhow at some point, so it's not just a useless bit of tat (leaving aside lending libraries for now). Likewise, while making a cake earlier, it came up in conversation just how useful nice mixing bowls are as a present - if only because you need more of them at this time of year. So, good, useful gifts are better than disposable trinkets - so far so obvious.

I entirely sympathise with the dislike of the enforced jollification, especially if you don't feel like being put in proximity with people you don't necessarily have anything in common with apart from some DNA out of a feeling of obligation. I've known many people who find themselves in that position, so I do feel lucky that a) I don't have to do that now that, as observed above, I am home for the holidays and b) I never really felt that obligation as such with my parents as I generally liked being around them, and actually wouldn't mind spending more time with my siblings at Xmas either. But I'm very lucky with my family, generally.

Just for the hell of it though, and in solidarity with hohohaters everywhere... BAH! Humbug!
 
 
Feverfew
07:23 / 25.12.06
!MARRIAGE! - don't worry, I know Winterval was just another Baa Baa Rainbow sheep. I just personally think the word is, well, funny.

(Better than having to say "Compliments of the Season" to everybody, anyway... Maybe not better, in fact. Just shorter.)

Anyway.

So. This is Christmas?
 
 
Jack Fear
10:29 / 25.12.06
And what have you done?
 
 
StarWhisper
12:16 / 25.12.06
My family are pigs. I am a cuckoo, and can barely contain my disgust.
 
 
Quantum
12:44 / 25.12.06
Merry Christmas all, especially Flyboy!
 
 
Slate
14:35 / 25.12.06
I bought presents for everyone except my sister, I forgot her. I had spare presents left over, I just bought too many initially and when it came time to wrapping, she slipped my mind. Am I a bad brother?

Also, My grandfather keeps saying this is his last Christmas, which he said last year. His foot is black, the rest of him is white, emphysema or some smoking disease where it kills veins, cuts circulation. Should I have bought him a new pipe? It's what he enjoys. Fuck the docs and fuck their version of quality of life.

My brothers GF went walkabout last night and didn't tell anyone. She was gone for an hour and we were almost going to call the cops. They had a huge fight when she got back. All good now though.

I am on MSN now with my girl from Turkey. She wants to get married and have kids now. I want a family now too but don't know if she is the right one you know, the mother of my children. She is giving me an ultimatum, she doesn't believe I still love her, I do, just not in the way she wants.

I've run out of booze for the Boxing Day Test match against England. No pubs open tomorrow. I guess I will have to pilfer my grandmothers Baileys. No good for her Diabetes anyway.

The Air conditioning here has an aroma of raw sewage. I might go climbing on the roof tomorrow with fistfuls of vanilla.

I have no money left, Mortgage due in 2 weeks...(at least the boss put a bonus in the next pay)

Apart from all that it's been a great few days of catching up and joking around with the rellies and commenting on the good old days.

One day THESE will be the good old days... I just hope I can share them with as much humor as now. There is a slight tinge of sarcasm, the whole point of it all, but we ain't a family of thee faith, any for that matter.

I am kinda not having a good time but I am enjoying myself anyway. Does this mean I am a true Grinch?

Merry Christmas Barbelith, enjoy it while you can.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:13 / 25.12.06
Well, it's not been that bad. In fact i've enjoyed myself a lot.
 
  

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