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illmatic
17:59 / 14.11.06
Well, I was pretty appalled when I read a link XK posted about the breakdown of elephant culture. This is an NY Times article and you now have to register to get free access, but if anyone wants to read it, PM me. It's really heart-breaking. They are possibly my favourite wild animal, and to read of them literally being driven mad by humans destroying the balance of their "society", made me puke to be honest.

AnywayI wanted to respond in some way. The quickest way of actually doing something in response I could find, was making a donation to the IWAF who run a wide variety of elephant conservation schemes and do generally great work for wildlife. I'm posting this here in the hope that a few other people might read the article and have similar feelings. Anway, I felt bad posting a thread which would otherwise be basically a begging letter so I thought we could hopefully turn it into a general thread for the celebration of one tremendously cool animal.

So, some elephants facts seem in order to start with:

They're the world's biggest land mammel
Their brains are three times bigger than that of humans
They bury their dead
Their trunks contain upto 40,000 muscles and play a multitude of roles in social interaction as well as object manipulation.
They have two tiny "fingers" on the end of the trunk for picking up small objects
The hair on their bodies is extremely sensitive and they often bake on layers of mud to protect it and their skin.(putting on clothes).
They show a preference for right or left tusk much as humans do for hands.
They spend a lot of time trying to keep their body surface cool as they generate so much heat being so massive


Anyway, if anyone wants to post anymore facts, links, pictures or stories about this magnificent animal, please feel free. I so hope someone has a great elephant anecdote.

Two quick stories: In Kerala, elephants get a state pension. and they are smart enought to recongnise their own reflections.

If you're not impressed by that, well, I guess I've got to go for huggle appeal:

 
 
illmatic
18:01 / 14.11.06
Ooops, mod request going in for a link to story that sparked the post.
 
 
illmatic
18:13 / 14.11.06
This is a copy of some passages from the article which outline the problem. It's very long so I'm not going to post it all. If you want a copy, PM me.

All across Africa, India and parts of Southeast Asia, from within and around whatever patches and corridors of their natural habitat remain, elephants have been striking out, destroying villages and crops, attacking and killing human beings. In fact, these attacks have become so commonplace that a whole new statistical category, known as Human-Elephant Conflict, or H.E.C., was created by elephant researchers in the mid-1990’s to monitor the problem....

Still, it is not only the increasing number of these incidents that is causing alarm but also the singular perversity — for want of a less anthropocentric term — of recent elephant aggression. Since the early 1990’s, for example, young male elephants in Pilanesberg National Park and the Hluhluwe-Umfolozi Game Reserve in South Africa have been raping and killing rhinoceroses; this abnormal behavior, according to a 2001 study in the journal Pachyderm, has been reported in “a number of reserves” in the region. In July of last year, officials in Pilanesberg shot three young male elephants who were responsible for the killings of 63 rhinos, as well as attacks on people in safari vehicles....

In a coming book on this phenomenon, Gay Bradshaw, a psychologist at the environmental-sciences program at Oregon State University, notes that in India, where the elephant has long been regarded as a deity, a recent headline in a leading newspaper warned, “To Avoid Confrontation, Don’t Worship Elephants.” “Everybody pretty much agrees that the relationship between elephants and people has dramatically changed,” Bradshaw told me recently. “What we are seeing today is extraordinary. Where for centuries humans and elephants lived in relative peaceful coexistence, there is now hostility and violence. Now, I use the term ‘violence’ because of the intentionality associated with it, both in the aggression of humans and, at times, the recently observed behavior of elephants....

But in “Elephant Breakdown,” a 2005 essay in the journal Nature, Bradshaw and several colleagues argued that today’s elephant populations are suffering from a form of chronic stress, a kind of species-wide trauma. Decades of poaching and culling and habitat loss, they claim, have so disrupted the intricate web of familial and societal relations by which young elephants have traditionally been raised in the wild, and by which established elephant herds are governed, that what we are now witnessing is nothing less than a precipitous collapse of elephant culture.



God, I was on a real high because of spending some time reading about how cool elephants are. Then I re-read bits of that article, now I'm depressed again.
 
 
Ticker
18:24 / 14.11.06
I cried like a baby after reading that article. It fills me with a profound grief.

here's my elephant charity. They provide a refuge for elephants in the US, which while not treating the cause of the problem at least seeks to address the needs of some of the victims.



Sometimes I think my heart will explode out of my chest for all the glorious wonders of the world like this wee big 'un!
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:53 / 14.11.06


and a teeny tiny toty wee Tusker!
 
 
Quantum
19:00 / 14.11.06
Elephants are way cool. In related offtopica, Iceland resumed killing whales for meat last week. Elephants have it bad but they're not getting exploding harpoons in the guts to make petfood. (Sorry, I'll get my own thread and come back with Baba pics)
 
 
Ticker
19:10 / 14.11.06
Quants you are especially not allowed to piss in the pool WITHOUT a cute pic for Illmatic.

Here I'll cover you on this one.

 
 
Char Aina
19:15 / 14.11.06
pegs, dude.
you need to go to southern africa, dude.
an overland trip that takes in at least victoria falls, ngorongoro crater and the city of bulawayo(depending on mugabe issues) would kick your ass flat and raw.
seriously, dude.
elephants galore and often a half decent reggae scene in the more populated spots.

source some 'malawi black' and take at least a month.

but...
i reckon you should do it properly.
i say get yourself a dragoman truck and drive it round the plateau for a year.
you may never come back.

dragoman use stuff like this:

(dragoman are a tour company. there are others, but i like their name.)



the ngorongoro elephant yoot:


the zebra kidults of manyara, tanzania:

and the future king of ndutu, tanzania:



i fucking love africa, and southern, and central africa especially so. you may have noticed. i love egypt and some other places look okay, but i reckon the south is where it's at.
everyone should go to the places i mentoion and more, and everyone should go really fucking soon.
as soon as you can afford it, maybe.

buy a few hectares of sustainable to offset your emmisions and just go.
 
 
Ticker
19:23 / 14.11.06
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illmatic
19:31 / 14.11.06
Toks, that is a very fine idea. Fancy being my wingman?

Quants: Erm, yeah, but they've haven't yet noticed the whales going mad 'cos of us. I'm sure they're pretty pissed, though.
 
 
Ticker
19:32 / 14.11.06
can we do a barbelith africa trip?
 
 
Char Aina
19:33 / 14.11.06
i know!
which one?
i love the lion.
 
 
Char Aina
19:36 / 14.11.06
my only worry is that perhaps he's been hunting foxes...
bloody aristocratic traditions, and all that.
 
 
Char Aina
19:38 / 14.11.06
pegs, man, i would love to go back to africa.
my dad's back over there next year for a few years, so i can see myself going at some point.
when there, i will definitely be checking out malai and tanzania again, and hopefully get some time in SA.

up the drakensbergs and munch some 'shrooms to finish, i reckon.


fuck, i need some money.
 
 
Ticker
19:44 / 14.11.06
it was the lion that produced the mega SQUEE.
thank you.
 
 
Twice
20:00 / 14.11.06
Lion, I'm licking my hanky, now...
 
 
Ex
20:05 / 14.11.06
Pegs, somewhere I have a newspaper picture of a baby elephant with its feet painted with indigo antiseptic. Tiny purple-footed elephant.
I got it from the Metro, which almost always provides readers with one picture of an adorable animal, and one salacious account of a hideous violent crime. When I think I'm nimble enough to avert my eyes from the latter, I dig out the former.
I will find it, scan it and post it.

And baby elephants have small fluffy fringes.
 
 
Char Aina
20:16 / 14.11.06



 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
20:16 / 14.11.06
 
 
illmatic
20:36 / 14.11.06
Toks, that third photo is too cute. I may expire.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:48 / 14.11.06
Never been to toksik's elephanty bits of Africa but have been around Indian and Thai ones.

Yes, lovely lovely elephants and all but scariest thing ever was being charged by an angry male in Bandipur National Park, Karnataka, when we were loafing around by his favourite salt lick.

We also went, innocently, for a trip on the back of a grumpy she elephant called Krupthai in the high forest above Hat Kata, Phuket. Nobody told us she would run off down the mountainside on several occasions, having espied a tasty tree branch. Little mahout was like a fly, trying to control her by digging his puny heels into her epidermis.

Elephants are great. They've made a few significant appearances in SF literature too - the Phagors in Aldiss' Helliconia trilogy and the eponymous Mammoth in Stephen Baxter's trilogy. Oh, and Babar. The King!
 
 
The Falcon
23:38 / 14.11.06
Weirdly enough, I just went with this ficsuit change because I woke up one morning and fancied something different, and there was a banging garage tune one on of those free Sleazenation discs a while back with that as a refrain. So, I dunno if toksik was born there - I was, in Botswana - but 'I am an African' just didn't have the bite. Didn't know how I felt about it, but this thread feels like something I wanted but didn't know I wanted.

Anyway, elephants, yeah. I go to Tanzania every five years or so with ma'n'da to visit my grandparents at Kibebe farm, and went out last year in the Summer.

Actually, hum, just found a pic of a plane parked at their farm.

As a part of the trip, we always go to Ruaha National Park and the elephants did seem unduly aggressive this time about, from the point we arrived and one made to charge my uncle's landrover, to a frankly terrifying open-top safari (which I am never, ever doing again.) I've related the story to several barbeliths in the pub, toksik included, but we were taken out by two rangers, six or seven of us and I was sat by my partner. Shortly after leaving the camp we found ourselves hemmed in by a baby and mother elephant. Latter was snuffling around the rangers - it transpired that the chief ranger normally carried some sort of large nut to feed and satisfy the beasts, but these chaps had not brought any. Denied a snack by the driver and driver seat the mother approached passengers on the right side - where fortunately (for me) my partner was sat. I was already pretty rigid with fear at this point, because basically my entire peripheral vision was filled by a giant eye (and cheek, I suppose.) After discovering no-one was going to give her a nut, mother began trumpeting, distressing baby, but leaving the track open - which we soon pulled off onto, just as an even larger tonne-weight monster came charging out - I assume the father distressed by child's call, but I'm not really au fait with social groupings. Later on, for light relief, we drove offroad beside lions and watched them chow on a zebra. It's not real entertainment if there's no mortal terror involved, I always say.

Anyway, I still love elephants, but will in future insist on retaining a respectful 10+ metre distance and having the illusion of safety of being on the interior of a vehicle. I'm horrified and heartbroken to read his news; my cousin who now works in Botswana was informing us of culls and overpopulation there - I do wonder to what extent this is for the preservance of the rhino, who are former residents of East Africa and that park, now (almost?) entirely gone. The plantlife in the park was utterly decimated, too, now that I come to it by the trunked ones - we had the later pleasure of listening to one devour a tree outside our banda (which is a kind of Flintstones like structure, a tent inside wooden fortification with water tower atop and stone basins, etc. Incredible.) while I cowered on the floor.

On second thought, stick to giraffes, mate. They're nice.

(Not really.)

Here's some gin-u-wine Ruaha elephants, with babies rolling in the sand.
 
 
ghadis
00:31 / 15.11.06



as always, the fool..Hooray!!
 
 
HCE
02:12 / 15.11.06
Look at this sweet thing.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
03:41 / 15.11.06
Here's my baby elephant contribution, straight from downtown Bangkok.

Elephants are quite common around Bangkok -- apparently wandering around big cities keeps the trainers and elephants in better feed than out in the provinces, where there aren't so many tourists. Traffic accidents are one of the main causes of elephant death in Thailand, though.
 
 
Quantum
09:37 / 15.11.06
'They're not in the jungle- they *are* the jungle'

Camouflageed Pachyderm

The camouflage is great but you need a groupie to help clean up;




Hope that makes up for the transgression Pegs. Although I will just respond to haven't yet noticed the whales going mad; They's sending protestors to parliament dude, they're mad as hell.

 
 
Mourne Kransky
14:20 / 15.11.06
Found this photo on my work machine of the grumpy trumpeter, called Krupthai, who stole us away down the mountain in Thailand. Real space age technology went into designing her howdah for the abduction of tourists.



Sometime in the 60s, the King decreed that elephants would no longer be enslaved and used for heavy trunk work in Thailand. Great idea, except that all the elephants were then unemployed. So they took to roaming the streets, begging and stealing food. With their bonds to their trainers sundered, there was nobody to keep them out of trouble when they went into musth either, so they would rampage dangerously about. Then the government decided to send lots of them to the touristy parts of Thailand like Phuket in the South and Chiang Mai in the North, where they found gainful employment, providing elephant treks through the rainforest for such sybarites as Xoc and Ganesh.

Krupthai the she elephant had had a troubled Asbo-laden youth but was being rehabilitated. I think she was entitled to her bad mood and we rather admired her uncompromising rebellious streak, once we were no longer being stampeded through the jungle.
 
 
illmatic
14:26 / 15.11.06
Thanks, for the elephant love, folks. Xoc, I love the idea of you hanging out with a rehabilatated and reformed hoodlum elephant.
 
 
illmatic
17:47 / 15.11.06
I also meant to say thanks to Duncan for that great anecdote. I love being near animals that makes you SCARED. I've been thinking about going to see the lellyphants at London Zoo but I've no idea if this will be depressing or not.

And Mr Disco - I love the way that elephants are integrated into life in countries like Thailand - that's one of things that saddens me about the story above - the way in which villagers are being encouraged to break their bond of veneration with these creatures.
 
 
grant
18:58 / 15.11.06
My less-than-cuddly, but very OOOoo! AAAAA! elephant filecard:

This is my uncle's book .

The key part is sort of buried in the second paragraph on that page. More details here (including photos of, well, what happens when the world's largest elephant ((by some measures)) decides he doesn't like your camera noises).

My uncle still does the photo safari guide thing, so if you really plan on going, lemme know.
 
 
grant
19:04 / 15.11.06
From the first link (not the second one):

Tshokwane charges with deadly intent! Seconds after the shutter clicked I turned to run, in vain.... This photograph was one of the final exposures on the roll of film recovered from my battered camera after the trampling.



More cuter photos from inside book are at same place.


Two elephant calves, probably closely related cousins, gain security and comfort from their proximity to one another while playing in the shadow of an adult cow, most likely the mother of the smallest calf. Elephant cows are extremely protective of both their young and those of other family embers and can be aggressive and dangerous when young claves are about.
 
 
Olulabelle
19:10 / 15.11.06
Pegs seeing the lellyphants at London Zoo is astonishing and wicked and utterly heartbreaking. Especially in the winter when it's really obviously cold and concretey.

here is a baby elephant for you:



and another one too:



I like the expression that little baby elephant has. He is wise man, he is wise.

The WWF run a human-elephant conflict project which you might be interested in reading about, and I don't know if you have come across Elephant Voices yet?
 
 
grant
19:18 / 15.11.06
I'm sorry, again, for being wrong, but:

The WWF run a human-elephant conflict project

The World Wrestling Federation? OH NO!
 
 
The Falcon
19:19 / 15.11.06
Right, my links above should work now, as soon as the mod req. is approved.

Anyway, here's a pic of the elephant's closest living relative:



The Rock Hyrax.

They are rubbish compared to elephants.
 
 
Olulabelle
19:40 / 15.11.06
Grant, I really don't think human-elephant wrestling would work...it seems to me to be unbalanced and therefore over very quickly; I don't think it would go down that well on American telly.

About what to do. Still reeling from reading the article again to find out the name of the sanctuary for orphaned elephants in Kenya, you know the ones who created the humanallomothers? Well anyway, I've found them, they are here: The Sheldrick Wildlife Trust. They accept donations, you can foster the babies or the 'big boys' and they release the elephants back into the wild with some idea of basic elephant social structure, which can only help.
 
  

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