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Global Orgasm 12/22/06

 
  

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H3ct0r L1m4
01:53 / 09.11.06
http://www.globalorgasm.org/

six years to the Escathon, making Peace cumm to the World via our sexual energy combined.

thoughts?
 
 
EmberLeo
05:46 / 09.11.06
*shrugs* It reminds me of what my love was telling me about a scene in Amelie where she decides to try and imagine how many people are having orgasms at that moment.

I'm bemused, because of course the Winter Solstice, being one of the 8 Wheel of the Year holidays, is an evening I would be specifically planning to spend time alone my love for... compatible reasons.

--Ember--
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:28 / 09.11.06
calmblueoceancalmblueoceancalmblueocean

Oohkay. Hector, you've been here since 2001 and you've notched up more than a hundred topics, so you should really know by now that starting a thread with a link and "thoughts?" is not really conducive to discussion.

Why don't you fill us in a bit more? For example, you could tell us what you personally hope will be achieved, why you think it will work, and wtf the whole 2012/Escathon (sic) thing has to do with it.
 
 
Olulabelle
08:40 / 09.11.06
The Baring Witness people (who initiated the Global Orgasm project) follow the Mayan calendar so the 2012 thing is related only tangentially insofar as the people who thought up the idea also believe in the Mayan prophecy for 2012.

Ember, I agree that being close with a loved one is a lovely thing for winter solstice, but this site doen't just encourage you to be close with a loved one. It's asking, as I understand it, for you to direct your orgasmic energies towards peace.
 
 
Quantum
09:50 / 09.11.06
six years to the Escathon, making Peace cumm to the World via our sexual energy combined. thoughts?

My thoughts? In order;
1. It's ESCHATON not escathon- Eschatology (from the Greek ἔσχατος meaning "last" + -logy) is a part of theology and philosophy concerned with the final events in the history of the world or the ultimate destiny of human kind.
2. The world won't end in six years.
3. ...whether people are directing their orgasms at the astral plane or not.
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
10:44 / 09.11.06
Now that you talk about 2012, yesterday i readed that solar storms (in 2012 scientists are waiting for a big one) actually have a big influence over the earth;

it seems that satellites must be disconnected in order to not be damaged, and that there's an increase of anormal behavior on the biosphere

just a quick tought, it has a small relation with topic
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
10:55 / 09.11.06
* turns shield on

I apologize, my Fellow Occult Academy Members.

since i've been away from other Barbelith forums apart from the Comics and Movies, I supposed you lot would be much better informed than myself about the theories related to this subject.

and that, in the context of the forum, a general conversation could be kicked off with a quick summary and a link. maybe I'm burned by quick meta-blogging. when I still don't have nothing better to say on a given topic I'd rather inform about something - even with only a link - and leave it to the experts.

I guessed wrong.

sorry for this dreadful waste of time then, kind gentlemen, I'll get back to the funnybooks and moving pics.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:59 / 09.11.06
Bye then. Have fun!
 
 
Quantum
11:58 / 09.11.06
So the idea of the global orgasm on the winter solstice is to cause world peace? Any excuse for the lovin' is good I suppose, but it does seem a little bit pointless.

Hector, I don't think a casual reference to the End Times helped any, are you still interested in talking about the worldgasm? Will you be taking part?
 
 
Olulabelle
13:12 / 09.11.06
but it does seem a little bit pointless

In what way? I don't know why this thread seems to have blended the global orgasm project with 2012, the site only references it in passing rather than as a vital part of the project.

I don't have a problem with the idea of the global orgasm; if you accept that collective energy can be powerful then why not try and harness it to stop a war on Iran? It seems far from pointless to me.

As for the whole 2012 thing, not everyone believes that what the Mayans were prophecying was TEH END OF THE WORLD!!1! If you look at the prophecies more along the lines of cultural and behavioural shifts and unusual planetary action it's no 'weirder' than believing in the Tarot.

Anyway, as I say this thread isn't about 2012 it's about the global orgasm project. Sometimes it makes me sad when this forum is so quick to jump on ideas like this.
 
 
Ticker
13:30 / 09.11.06
it's pretty mazing that they are using the The Global Consciousness Project to measure the effects.

I'd like to do more research into these guys but it is on the first pass pretty great stuff.
 
 
Ticker
13:32 / 09.11.06
ah I dunno if we jump on *stuff* as much as on kind of crappy presentation of said *stuff*. I've seen some pretty weak topics presented in very compelling ways and treated with respect because of it.
 
 
Ticker
13:38 / 09.11.06
evil bad triple post frenzy!

anyhow I found this which is a nice wee explination of the project and its hopes.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:48 / 09.11.06
I don't have any problem with the idea that Something Big might be going to happen in 2012. I also don't have a problem with the idea of performing some small action on a given day along with a group of likeminded people across the internet--in fact I did just that last June. A certain priestess of Choronzon orchestrated a sort of international/interdimensional love-in; ideally one was supposed to fuck on the given day, but other creative acts were invited too. The idea was to combat the ooh-big-shiny apocolypse paradigm with a surge of life-affirming, creative energy. As it happened my bf was out of town that day so I had a wank and then went and did paintings with my God. I don't know if I achieved anything beyond solo fun and amateur artwork, but I like solo fun and amateur artwork so hey, why not.

What I have a problem with is:

1) Threads that start with a link and a couple of words. Bad poster! No biscuit!

2) The assumption that Something Big is definately going to happen in 2012 and that this something is the Eschaton, and that we're all in general agreement as to what the Eschaton is and that we want one. I know that's a lot to read into a very little post, but that's what I tend to think of when I see an unexplored 2012/Eschaton thrown into a post. I just come across '2012!!1!' being thrown around a lot, and over the years it's started to make me twitch a bit.

3) 'Global'? So everyone on the face of the globe has an internet connection do they? Me being pedantic, I know, but grr grr grr.

I'd be quite happy to see Hector come back and post a bit more about why he's enthused about the project, but it looks like he's gone off in a huff. Maybe we could hear from other people who've bee involved in similar workings instead? What they did, how they felt it went, what they make of this one, etc.
 
 
EmberLeo
17:58 / 09.11.06
Ember, I agree that being close with a loved one is a lovely thing for winter solstice, but this site doen't just encourage you to be close with a loved one. It's asking, as I understand it, for you to direct your orgasmic energies towards peace.

Certainly - I said my existing plans were compatible, not synonymous.

I cannot seem to help being concerned about 2012, as is my lover, but I don't think this is quite the thing...

--Ember--
 
 
Ticker
18:13 / 09.11.06
Well I'm concerned about 2012, and 2013, and 2040. Probably more about 2050 as I'm not quite sure our crazy muckleheaded civil-lazy-tion will get there without much badness. I weep that all the frogs will be gone by 2025 and the future will be without 60% of the species currently on the planet, but then that's my sci-fi laden imagination running off without real data.

What's 2012 got? Mayan calendar, Timewave, Solar Storms, probably a few other things I'm forgetting that could go bad.
What's 2050 got? 80% loss of biodiversity since 1970
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:21 / 09.11.06
Don't forget that Moore's Law is shedualed to run out of space in 2012 as atoms get too big and grainy for our silicon chips to shrink any more.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
14:35 / 10.11.06
orgasming together? very nice.

EarthDance has been synchronizing global dance events for a few years.

December 21 2012 is *the* day to get your globe together.

This Reformed Calendar is *the* tool to get us to get our heads and schedules together.

whether you choose to dance or orgasm is up to you.

ttfn
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:46 / 10.11.06
Dont forget the procession of the equinoxes changes from around 2060 - 2100 pickies to aquaarse, big hair all around, so many calendrical sytems so many cultural points of change, mini cultural explosions/change points all over the place. beware of imminent temporal transition, assume crash position outside of time.
 
 
Quantum
15:55 / 10.11.06
Here's a thread to discuss 2012 although I'm hoping to keep the Mayan stuff out of it.
 
 
Papess
16:17 / 10.11.06
The intent is that the participants concentrate any thoughts during and after orgasm on peace. The combination of high- energy orgasmic energy combined with mindful intention may have a much greater effect than previous mass meditations and prayers.

Oh yes, yes! Right after I jerk off thinking about raping my little niece, I will direct my energy of my load toward world peace.

The problem, I realise now, with "Panorgasimic Magic", or "Group Wanking Magickos", is there is no way to know what stimulation people use to whack off with. I betcha it isn't World Peace that is turning them on.

Everyone has to focus on peace throughout the entire process till orgasm is reached. Regular fantasy life has no place here. Most people won't understand that or follow that, and too many different intentions will get mashed together and wreck the working in some manner.

So...No deviants! Or prudes.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:18 / 10.11.06
I dunno, that kind of assumes basic stupidity and a fairly horrifying level of idiocy amogst the sorts of people who, by definition of knowing what to do, should surely know better than to direct their energies from the wrong thing, or with the wrong intent.
 
 
Papess
21:39 / 10.11.06
Considering that globally, most people haven't even heard about any magick, much less carry out a conscious magickal working, I doubt very much that they would even consider any precautions.

Really Lula? Have you ever tried to think of world peace while orgasming? Have you ever tried to think of world peace while trying to sexually stimulate yourself, or while being sexually stimulated? If you have, good for you, it is definately not easy. Chances are that most people wouldn't give a hoot what energy they were sending and probably just be getting some perverse kick out of the thought of having an simultaneous orgasm with a whole bunch of other people.

There are some very twisted people out there. The chances of an event like this attracting that is highly likely.

Or people could just go on the honour system, I suppose, but I won't be making that mistake again, myself.
 
 
Olulabelle
22:02 / 10.11.06
I just meant that the kinds of people who are likely to be doing this by dint of knowing what a global orgasmic working actually is in the first place, would also be the kinds of people willing to at least give the 'intent for peace at orgasm' a go.
 
 
Ticker
23:45 / 10.11.06
leaving those with hardened fetishes aside for a moment, with the correct stimuli most folks I know (who talk about these things) can get off thinking about an enormous array of not normally sexy things.

besides I'm not convinced you can't get the levels rising thinking about your normal sexy stuff and then redirect your focus and intent to achieve your magical goal.

Why not just aim for the one moment of bliss and project it outwards sharing it? What is World Peace really, if not a schmancy way of loving and caring about your neighbor?
 
 
Papess
15:09 / 11.11.06
xk, I really think it is possible to have an orgasm thinking of anything you want, also. I just don't trust that everyone in a working has the ability to be that focused. Fantasy has nothing to do with peoples' actual sexual practices. I am not implying that anyone would purposely ruin "world peace", but it is naive to think that everyone will be pure in their intent and that people are "Masters of their Domain".

From my own experience dealing with human sexuality, in enviroments where people set their internal censors to low, I have seen this twisted fantasy life. It doesn't come from those "hardened fetishists", either. You wouldn't believe the fantasies that people have. I am not guessing either, I get to interview *hundreds of people a year about their fantasies, and I am certain I am not being told everything. So, the desires of people are unpredictable, at best. To trust that everyone doing this kind of working will do it with proper skill and intent is a longshot at best. Who knows what the worst could be.

This working is such a lovely idea. It has all the elements that make it a prefect working for me. Unfortunately, it may be the only contribution to world peace that some of these people make (oh wow). Also, for me to believe and trust that people have the sexual fortitude and single-mindedness to do this, I would have had to have lead a much more sheltered life. Having seen first-hand what lurks deep beneath the veneer most people wear in their daily lives, it is just not possible for me to ignore the potential for twisted results. I should have known better years ago.



*Please, do not stereotype my clients either. They come from all walks of life and are not inherently twisted themselves - anymore than the rest of the population.
 
 
diz
18:20 / 11.11.06
It's been done before.

Halcyon, the guy who organized the monthly Globalgasm event, also put together Pinkgasm and HugNation. He's a local personality in the San Diego burner scene, as well as the local porn industry and swinger community.

The original Globalgasm, as far as I know, spun out of a now-defunct webcam group called Citizen X, which itself was tied up in the scene at the Real House, which was a webcam house where a bunch of people lived, most of whom were burners and swingers. The monthly online coordinated voyeuristic/exhibitionistic orgasm-fest happened in concert with a sex party at the Real House, which was webcast live to subscribers.

Halcyon used to start the evening off with a story of how he was inspired by a scene in the original Star Wars. He would say that he was watching Star Wars one day, and when Alderaan was destroyed, and Ben Kenobi was knocked back by the tremors in the Force caused by the deaths of the inhabitants, Halcyon thought to himself "What if you could do the same thing, but with JOY AND LOVE?!?" We were then exhorted to knock Obi-Wan on his ass with vibes of love and pleasure.

Good times were had by all.

Anyway, these folks appears to be either Johnnies-Cum*-Lately to the global synchronized orgasm scene, or are outright ripping off the idea. Not that it matters, I suppose. It still works for the good vibes/excuse to get off, depending on whether you believe in this sort of thing or not.

* Ha! I made a funny!
 
 
Princess
12:04 / 14.11.06
Masturbating for world peace? I'm always dubious of "direct action" that happens alone, in your room, with no need to tell anybody. Wheres the human contact? Where is the spreading of ideas? How much jism do I have to produce to disarm a nuke? I mean sure, maybe TEH MAJIXS!! will form a new world order and a new golden age will be upon us. TBH, I doubt it, but it's a possibility. But I doubt a relatively small group of people fapping out happy thoughts is going to have half the effect of a single man standing in front of a tank.

While it might be a very positive ritual in terms of affirming your desire and dedication to world peace, it does strike me as more than a little futile in terms of actually, you know, achieving something. I worry that for a lot of people it's just a way of staving off guilt, because they aren't changing the world, and panic, because they think they can't.
 
 
Seth
13:26 / 14.11.06
How much jism do I have to produce to disarm a nuke?

It's not the amount. A jizz in the right place can change the world.

I'm also sceptical of world changing efforts with no attempt to get your hands dirty. At least if you're apathetic you know you're not engaging with people to change things, but the potential for self deception in imagining yourself an activist just because you can make your glyphs damp with your juices isn't healthy IMHO. I had this problem with a lot of intercession ministries back when I was a Christian, too.

Magic done alongside direct involvement I have no problem with.
 
 
Ticker
14:10 / 14.11.06
sometimes it is about baby steps. You get some folks to stop drinking coffee from $tarfucks, you get some people thinking about picking up a plastic bag wedged in the gutter, you mind your own tongue and not call the person who knocked into you an asshat, and maybe for some folks the baby step of seeing how their energy and life entwines with everyone else's is a bit of a rub out on the same day.

Certainly the approach has some problematic points in terms of a complete practice but for those who haven't a foggest about ritual it seems like a fair enough expression of good will.

As for the particpants' fantasy baggage, well as implied we all have these aspects or at least are capable of them. So you've just qualified as a modern human with the assorted issues we've all got (as well as internet access) and well you're willing to spend some time focused on pleasure for a good cause.

Let's see that's possibly 5+ minutes that said particpant is not (possiblly) driving a petrol consuming vehicle, eating farm factory enslaved animal by-product of death, ridiculing or belittling another human being, purchasing a slave labor produced item, or a thousand other things lots of us do everyday that potentially only increase the badness level of our world.

I agree that ritual and thoughtful IRL action are the ideal but I see no reason why people spending time with Jack'n'Jill for peace should be any worse than what they'd be doing otherwise.
 
 
Quantum
16:34 / 14.11.06
Well no, it's not really any worse than being asleep. But how is a big synchronised orgasmic session any different than a lot of individual orgasmic sessions? Only if they're somehow combined into a MegaGasm (megasm?) using the sexual energy in a magical way. That seems to be the intent behind the project, as though the important battles are being fought on the astral plane and a tsunami of love vibes will sort it out. That assumption I'd question.

I've nothing against sex magic, using sexual gnosis and all that jizz, I mean jazz, but surely there's more to it than spanking the monkey for world peace at a particular time?
To flip what you said xk, what if everyone spent that five minutes writing a letter to Nestle? Or to their family? or put a brick in their cistern? Would the water saved by a thousand people reducing their consumption be more/less effective improving the world than the thousand orgasms?
 
 
Princess
17:21 / 14.11.06
That's it exactly. I wasn't sure exactly why I wasn't gelling with you on this xk, Quantum just made it clear for me. People, on the whole, masturbate. What they don't, on the whole, do, is give a shit. If people wanted to make a difference they really would, it's not hard. Like you said, baby steps. But doing exactly what you normally would and relabelling your "me" time as a "world peace effort" is not changing the world. Just because someone is dressing up their apathy in a Mother Teresa outfit doesn't stop it being apathy.
 
 
Ticker
18:06 / 14.11.06
I think I see where we are diverging on the intent here. For myself I'm looking at the intent of the organizers who go do stuff out in the world and the people they communicate with.

So I'm looking at a group of out in the world doing stuff activists who are putting a toe in the pool of magical group workings via a collective orgasm.

I suspect from your posts you're looking at the guy on the street who doesn't already recycle and doesn't do ritual work. I was referring to them too in my last post but my focus has been primarily on the first group.

Okay so my understanding is there is the approach of use the shovel first then try levitating rocks second, which I agree is often the best approach. However, however in terms of human awareness and perception sometimes you have to go outside of the expected everyday experience to radically change the internal POV. (Me thinks this is one of the main functions of the daimonic btw)


So yes doing the basic everyday stewardship of the planet activities is essential BUT taking that guy on the street or the lady in the cafe and having them choose to participate in something that is outside of their everyday perceptions/activities can have profound effects because it is not an activity they can perform everyday and is taboo breaking.

Let me break this down as much as I can so you can poke the parts with a stick.

My assumptions:

1. Most the people doing the group event are Westerners. Even if they have done substantial work on their sexuality they are heirs to a very big bundle of sexual taboos. They do not often have the chance to experience collective sexuality with potentially thousands of strangers

2. People attracted to doing this work have at least some interest in World Peace.

3. The people who are going to join in and actually do it on the day are going to be highly aware of joining in a sexual activity with a whole lot of strangers even remotely. In a magical ritual sense I believe a large portion of these people (while hopefully having a good time) are going to be made aware of their simple yet profound connection to other human beings. Yeah you can get this from a letter writing campaign but I suspect the heightened state of interacting with potential social taboos will bring the experience up a few notches. Will it be like linking arms in a human wall against the oppressors? No but it is more mythic (IMO) than today we all pick up trash.

So we have our our activist who may for the first time experience an insight into a sacred ritual form of sexuality. I think from your posts you're okay with this idea?
Then we have the person who may rub one out whenever who you're concerned will see this activity as a free pass on the planet stewardship? I see this person as potentially getting that wake up call via the moment when they conceptualize how many other people are doing this right now and for Peace.

Maybe I'm expressing this poorly but I believe a person who engages with a sacred sexual mystery will be affected by it even if on a conscious level it just seemed like an excuse for pleasure. If you enter a house of worship for the floor-show there's a good chance you will be transformed by it. Some part of you elected to enter, some part of you accepted the label on the tin, and so there is a good chance what you experience will be what it says on the tin.

So to me the change is not going to be external to those doing the working as much as transformative of the people doing it. Which I tend to believe is the primary function of ritual.
 
 
Quantum
18:40 / 14.11.06
transformative of the people doing it.

Aha- fair enough. I was thinking practical effects-in-the-world.
 
 
Quantum
18:51 / 14.11.06
"It is not the world that needs to be fixed; it is people. When people are at peace within, there will be world peace."
The dude who says that was honoured by the International University of Peace and asked to speak to the UN about world peace so you're not the only one to come* at it that way xk.

*no pun intended I swear
 
  

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