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Mario
22:10 / 05.11.06
First, a little background:

A couple of years ago, I posted to this board some experiments I'd been working with about "magic as programming" under the name Formatting my head-drive.

Now, for various reasons (including two long stretches of unemployment) I haven't been working on it as deeply as I'dve liked, but things are a bit freer now, and I've since come back to it.

Now, one concept I've really become interested is in whether there are universal symbols for the fundamental forces of magic, sort of like icons for my magical toolbar. Not so much sigils, as focal points for meditation.

(Interestingly, I've seen similar concepts crop up recently in superheroic contexts [specifically, the new take on the "Firestorm Matrix" and the opening credits of the Legion cartoon]. But in those cases, the images are a little more detailed than I'd like, and associate with more complex ideas.)

As a first pass, I focused on the classical elements, Fire, Water, Earth, and Air:

Fire was easy, as the alchemic symbol is a point-up triangle, and the Chinese letter has a similar core element. So I decided the "icon" for fire was /\, and probably colored red.

Water was almost as easy. Water suggests a cup, and the simplest image of that is \/ (although an open semicircle is good too), which also works in opposition to fire. And, naturally, fire is blue.

Earth wasn't too hard. The associations are all about strength, solidity and support, and the simplest image for that is a green pillar/tree: ||.

Air... Air is a problem. Mainly because the associated color _should_ be either yellow or purple, but neither really fits. And air is invisible, so what image evokes it best? I've decided it's either a circle, a dot, a lightning bolt (simplified as two slashes above each other) or an equal sign. But none of them feel quite right.

If anyone has suggestions for Air, or other archetypal forces that suggest iconic images, I'm open to them.
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
00:10 / 06.11.06
~, or, better: ≈. They're pretty clearly air/wind/motion to me. ≈ is also a symbol used (sometimes) in mathematics and logic, which are air-ish intellect things, no?

It's also conveniently perpendicular to your earth sign.

(I'm not sure that you'll be able to see ≈, it's 'approximately equal to').

Bright yellow or electric purple, as you wish it.

However, I'm not sure that it's a fundamental symbol for a magical concept. It'll do as a shorthand for focus, though.
 
 
Mario
00:21 / 06.11.06
Interesting... I like it.

I think I'd give it purple tho. Because I may save yellow for another concept: perception. The third eye. The light of illumination.
 
 
Mario
00:57 / 06.11.06
Actually, if I extend the color scheme a bit, I could use cyan (green + blue) for air. Yellow then gets used for the eye of perception (an arc over a dot), and keep magenta in reserve for something higher (there are elements of the concept of Kether and the Crown Chakra I'm working with).
 
 
Olulabelle
07:16 / 06.11.06
Mario, I am really interested in this idea and your inner room or core chamber. I think your fire and water signs are like the representations of fire and water in the Tarot in that they are obvious, but I do prefer your open cup suggestion, just aesthetically.

I'm not clear on why air has to be yellow or purple. Am I missing something glaringly obvious or something you've already said? I apologise if I am.

I think RFR's suggestion of ~ for air is really good. It's the most airy of keyboard symbols I can see here on my keyboard.
 
 
EmberLeo
08:20 / 06.11.06
I'm not clear on why air has to be yellow or purple.

I assume it's a desire to balance color according to either pigment or light blending rules.

Light (Additive): Red + Green + Blue = White
Pigment (Subtractive): Magenta + Yellow + Cyan = Black

The problem is, there's no 4-element way to balance Color truely correctly, because Color breaks down into a base 3 system, and most folks who speak English use the same word for Cyan and Blue, and shift Magenta over to Red.

Land/Sea/Sky can, I suppose, make a decent correlation to RGB.

Since I tend to think that in an Earth/Water/Air/Fire (+Spirit) system, Earth doesn't signify green growing things so much as minerals and soil, so I give Air sky blue, Water sea green, and Earth a rich dark amber or chocolate brown.

A horozontal line makes more sense to me for Earth's stability - for all that pillars are considered stable, the most stable things are those which have already toppled and come to rest.

--Ember--
 
 
Mario
09:42 / 06.11.06
Yeah, you called it. While it isn't _necessary_ to balance colors, it just feels right.

And I did think about = for Earth, but there are other associations I wanted to keep, like the World-Tree and the Cosmic Pillar, that I'd lose. For the same reason, I keep Earth Green (if I was using Chinese elements, it'd be different, but I can't really get a handle on them).

Part of the reason is that I have terms I use internally for the elements, names that (to me) speak of their primal nature:

Fire: That Which Transforms.
Water: That Which Heals/Preserves.
Earth: That Which Supports/Protects.
Air: That Which Inspires/Communicates.
Light (not an element, but a definite concept): That Which Reveals/Perceives.

And the images I use feed off of that. A pillar is more of a support than a bench.
 
 
EmberLeo
09:52 / 06.11.06
Earth: That Which Supports/Protects.

Supporting is done from below, upholding. Protecting is done from above. To do both, it must surround. Perhaps Earth should be a simple circle?

--Ember--
 
 
EmberLeo
09:53 / 06.11.06
Sorry for the double post - I would correlate Light to Spirit, and it's as much an element as any of them are.

--Ember--
 
 
Mario
10:45 / 06.11.06
I was thinking protects more in the sense of a fortress or "tower of strength". While a circle is certainly an earth symbol, it only reflects a small part of it.

Good call on the Light/Spirit thing. Interestingly, the ancient Greek word Aether originally meant "upper air" (which reflects on some other chakra-based associations I've been making). However, "light" is more indicative of the forces I'm working with.
 
 
EmberLeo
17:44 / 06.11.06
it only reflects a small part of it.

*blinks* I must infer an awful lot more into circles than you do.

I have this nagging idea that our discussion of straight lines vs. circles is stereotypically male/female. Mrf.

--Ember--
 
 
Mario
18:44 / 06.11.06
This is entirely possible. I've come across that problem before in my meditations. For me, a huge part of the Earth element is the idea of the Cosmic Axis. And there is a certain masculinity to that image.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:52 / 06.11.06
I am with Ember on the circle thing, it infers a huge amount of earth related imagery, it's a much more obvious earth symbol for me. It really could be a m/f difference. Interesting...

The astrological symbol for earth is a circle divided into four (or with a cross through it depending on how you see it) like so:

 
 
Unconditional Love
21:03 / 06.11.06
Do you consider the space that a symbol or element sits in to be an element? the element of emptiness as in akasha.

Say a creation process, from emptyness comes movement (air) which in turn creates friction (fire) which cools to a more fluid state (water) and finally rests as earth, only to eventually return to nothing.

Mind becomes a sixth element roving through all states, temporarily attached to internal conceptions of a mixture of various elements in conscious abstractions, memories, visualisation etc, most closely representing emptiness.

The Panca Mahabhutas Well worth the read.
 
 
Mario
21:57 / 06.11.06
I actually know the circled cross as the "solar wheel". Indeed, I've considered it as a symbol for Light.

Not sure if I consider "space" an element. Let me get back to you on that.
 
 
EmberLeo
22:11 / 06.11.06
I know the circle/cross Earth symbol and Solar Wheel - context is everything.

But the image that comes to my mind for a circular symbol for Earth that is also the Tree you seek is this.

--Ember--
 
 
Mario
23:11 / 06.11.06
Nice image, but a bit complicated. Still, I may find use for it... thank you.
 
 
Olulabelle
06:23 / 07.11.06
It is a very adaptable image, if one were to take the basic shape/outline of the tree one could make a smiple yet effective replication. Is your plan only to use keyboard images? For some reason my brain thinks it is. If so, that symbol and the earth symbol are clearly not on the keyboard so something else is required.
 
 
Mario
09:28 / 07.11.06
Not necessarily keyboard images, but "iconic" ones... that is to say, images with the simplest design elements. Lines, curves, and dots.
 
 
Quantum
13:21 / 07.11.06
Erm, there are already a slew of elemental symbols and magical symbols. Have a look and let them inform your designs.
For example, the four elemental icons (contained in a hexagram/seal of Solomon) are triangles, as used by Aristotle IIRC and in the middle of this pic;


http://occult-advances.org/elements.shtml

Fire pointing up, Water down, Air up with the bar and Earth down with the bar. That's one example but there's loads more, like the wand/cup/sword/pentacle used here.

(Slightly tangentially, these symbols from the RPG Mage are interesting, for the nine spheres of magick; here.)
 
 
Mario
15:21 / 07.11.06
I'm familiar with them (My icons for water and air were informed by them). But there are a LOT of 4-symbol sets out there for the elements. I'm looking at commonalities.

And, of course, the elements are only a starting point. There are other universals we could look at (a stylized caduceus for healing magic, perhaps?)
 
 
Quantum
16:49 / 07.11.06


Don't forget the five symbol sets too...

 
 
Quantum
16:52 / 07.11.06
Whoops, you have already included them.
 
 
Digital Hermes
18:45 / 07.11.06
Something else compelling about some of these designs is the applicability they have on the keyboard. To be able to create all of them without needing to include an image file would make for a quicker sort of discussion, assuming they reached a point that everyone knew what they were...
 
 
EmberLeo
21:33 / 07.11.06
One of the things I've noticed about some of the 4-element symbol sets is that there is often a correlation of weight.

For example, the 4 circles set of O O. O- and O+ (I'm sorry, the keyboard can't put the 2nd character inside the first, but you get the idea). Fire is lightest, Earth is heaviest. This shows also in the triangles set, where Air and Fire point up, but Air is weighed down by the line. Water and Earth point down, and Earth is weighed down by the line.

*shrugs*

--Ember--
 
 
Digital Hermes
21:01 / 08.11.06
Just puzzling out some more keyboard-friendly 'icons...'

Elements:

/\
Earth

\/
Water

~
Air

`
Fire

(This last one seemed fitting due to the immateriality of the element... and that it's generally rising. Thoughts?)


Tarot Suits:

={
Cups

-|--
Swords

0
Disks

--
Wands

These I'm not as sure of, but I think they're fairly clear.

Again, I think being able to have easily-understood, easily typed or replicated versions of these concepts might be interesting, almost a magical 'leetspeak.

At the very least, it might make typing out rituals a little easier.
 
 
Mario
21:20 / 08.11.06
I have /\ as Fire, in opposition to Water \/.

I like the idea that if Air is ~ or ≈ (wavy lines), Earth should be straight lines, as it is static where Air is dynamic. Horizontal or vertical may be optional. (Indeed, you could even split up wood and stone, make Wood H and Stone = )

I've been thinking on Light/Spirit, and I think the best symbol has to be the most basic: a sun. My personal feeing is to use *, but + and (+) also have good connotations.

If the board doesn't mind, I'd like to use this thread to talk about non-elemental symbols as well, taking things up a level. For example, using an ankh to symbolize Life, or an hourglass to work with Time.
 
 
Digital Hermes
22:02 / 08.11.06
I have /\ as Fire, in opposition to Water \/.

I did notice that. For me, /\ seemed like a mountain or hill, made of stone or earth, and thereby very 'earthy.' Though I like the tree-pillar notion, it seems like it is an extrapolation of what can be developed from healthy earth. My hope was to keep it more basic, and less cruft (if I can borrow a programming term.)

By the by, I'm not saying you're wrong, though I'd certainly like to debate the effeciency of the different symbols.

And as for non-elemental icons, feel free! I'd love to see them. I tried to that a bit with the tarot suits, though they are connected to the elements...
 
 
Unconditional Love
22:39 / 08.11.06
The advantage with the two v's is that brought together as fire and water or male and female you get a hexagram, opposites in union, shiva/shakti, alchemy and all that jazz.
 
 
Mario
23:02 / 08.11.06
You could even make a strong case for Water = Yin, and Fire = Yang, and of course, the most famous symbol for that pairing includes a pattern resembling /\/.

Amusingly, there's another familiar tetrad that, although also including elemental connotations, could equally be used (in 3 out of for cases) to describe common spells.

Hearts: Spells for love.
Clubs: Spells for luck.
Diamonds: Spells for financial success.

Spades are the oddballs. Nothing fits the image, but the concept of "Strength" came to mind first. Perhaps spells for victory in competition?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
23:18 / 08.11.06
Espada, amigo. Swords. Air.
 
 
Mario
23:25 / 08.11.06
Yeah, but stripped of the playing card context, what does the spade symbol suggest to you?
 
 
Mario
23:27 / 08.11.06
Here's a wild idea that just occured to me.

<<] (the rewind symbol): The Past
[>>: The Future.
[>: The Present (which is still in motion).
The octagon: Time frozen. The Eternal Now.
 
 
EmberLeo
05:33 / 09.11.06
Yeah, but stripped of the playing card context, what does the spade symbol suggest to you?

An upside-down Heart, balanced on a sharp point?

When I do "party love fortunes" which aren't meant to be terribly significant, but I'm told I'm actually kinda scary at 'em, the suits are: Hearts - Emotional Attachment, Clubs - Physical Attraction, Diamonds - Monetary Prospects, and Spades - Passionate Dynamic.

I used to have a sword symbol written out in ascii...

@ssss{>>>>>>>>>>>>>

--Ember--
 
 
Quantum
10:02 / 09.11.06
Hearts - Emotional Attachment, Clubs - Physical Attraction, Diamonds - Monetary Prospects, and Spades - Passionate Dynamic.

Same as the Tarot, unsurprisingly.
 
  

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