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Avatar: The Last Airbender

 
  

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Hieronymus
16:03 / 02.11.06
How the hell can there not be a thread in here about this show? Elemental martial arts that makes Force powers look like cheap balloon sculpting? A day-glo child messiah? Cabbage guy? C'mon!

Does anyone else watch this?
 
 
Spaniel
17:36 / 02.11.06
No.

To describe in more than one sentence please
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
17:53 / 02.11.06
I quite enjoyed the first season of this series. It is much more adult then I would have expected from Nicolodeon.

Short premise:

For hundreds of years the world has been fairly peaceful. The world is divided up into four nations Earth, Air Fire and Water. Each nation trains in an elemental martial art (called Bending) specific to their area. Every generation someone is born who will become The Avatar, a mystic who will master all 4 elements and keep the peace. The Avatar is born into each nation in succession, and 100 years ago when the old avatar died the next would be an Air Bender.

The Fire Nation saw their chance, and before the Avatar came to power they attacked and killed every member of the Air Nation. Now, 100 years later, they are trying to take over the world.

In the first episode siblings from the Water Nation in the arctic find a glacier with a boy trapped inside. When the ice melts he emerges and they find out he is the last Air Bender, and coincidentally enough is The Avatar. They go on crazy adventures while trying to get him training in the three elements he has not mastered so he can fulfill his destiny and save the world.

I have not checked out the second season yet, but friends of mine have and it seems that it stays pretty damn slick throughout.
 
 
slagar
18:07 / 02.11.06
i was surprised to find it on Nick of all places. i had been hearing good things about the show but was never able to find it anywhere. i finally found the first season and saw the Nick tag on the episodes.

after watching i was shocked to see something that sophistacted, as far as storyline, and that well animated, i think it rivals some Japanese produced anime series, produced by an American company.

it's been very successful for Nick and they have plans to produce another story after the first 3 year story arc is complete.
 
 
Hieronymus
14:31 / 03.11.06
I have not checked out the second season yet, but friends of mine have and it seems that it stays pretty damn slick throughout.

It's the second season that really took off, I think. More specifically in the development of the main villain, Prince Zuko.

I think what I enjoy most about this show is that it succeeds where most good concept shows fail. In its characterizations, its humor, its plot development and in the way in which these preternatural powers are themselves very natural. That the writers maintain an integrity about the world they've created. Not one bit of shark-jumping that I've yet to see as every piece seems to fit the mosaic.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:23 / 03.11.06
It's a fun show; beautifully designed and well thought-through. I think the pacing is a little wonky because it cannot commit fully to the idea of an ongoing saga—every episode is written to function as both a chapter in the larger story, and as a done-in-one. Now, a lot of dramas—maybe most dramas—do a similar thing, but AVATAR suffers for it, I think. Watching a marathon of episodes back-to-back, the little morality plays of the individual episodes seem a tad rote, and the "real" story—the background story—is frustratingly slow.

I'm very interested in it as an example of the globalization of anime influence, though. I was stunned to learn that it was an original American show—not just because of the look, but because of the way that it incorporates structural and storytelling methods from anime. It's not like TEEN TITANS, which also trumpeted its anime infleunces, but which really just incorporated a few surface tricks into a thoroughly American show. AVATAR feels like anime. (Although the quasi-Asian themes and settings probably help enhance that impression.)

It's an unfortunate name, though. At least where I grew up, "get bent" = "go fuck yourself" and, by extension, an "aerial bender" = "a flying fuck." (Also, and perhaps not coincidentally, the nom de rock of Mott The Hoople's guitarist in their "Foxy Foxy" period.)
 
 
Jack Fear
15:26 / 03.11.06
Also also: Am wondering how the showrunners will cope with the death of Mako earlier this year.
 
 
Hieronymus
15:37 / 03.11.06
I think in the recent Tales of Ba Sing Se episode, you can hear someone else besides Mako filling for the voice of Uncle Iroh. Somewhere in the scene where the kids kick the ball through the window or something. So I'm not sure if they're going to let that fill-in voice actor pick up where Mako left off.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:04 / 03.11.06
A little research indicates that "Tales of Ba Sing Tse" was actually the last episode that Mako recorded.

A replacement has apparently been chosen, but his name has, AFAIK, not yet been released. From Wikipedia:

While guest starring at the Pacific Media Expo on October 28, 2006 the creators confirmed that another voice actor has indeed been selected. Although no names were mentioned as for who it is, they stated that the new voice actor had studied underneath Mako on Broadway during a show they did together, and had succeeded Mako in that role when Mako left the show. When the new voice actor had come in for a reading, they thought that he had studied the part ahead of time (they used an already aired part of Iroh's dialogue), but he had done the reading cold. Whoever he may be, the creators feel that Iroh's new voice actor really captures Iroh and Mako's spirit and acting.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:35 / 11.01.07
From the Department of "What the FUCK?!?":

M. Night Shyamalan to direct a live big-screen adaptation of AVATAR. He's got a three-picture deal with Nick Movies, but it's unclear whether there will be three AVATAR movies.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:44 / 11.01.07
(Also, and perhaps not coincidentally, the nom de rock of Mott The Hoople's guitarist in their "Foxy Foxy" period.)

To finish this one up - consulting James Marsters, I find that "bender" is a term for a male homosexual. Which is why, I'm afraid, I find this cartoon's title delightfully amusing.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:16 / 16.01.07
Okay. M. Night Shamuthekillerwhale is confirmed in the new ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY as signing on to do three AVATAR movies, back to back, probably covering the entire saga.

Which makes the whole prospect seem even odder.

On the one hand, this is roughly equivalent to Peter Jackson stepping into the big chair for the LORD OF THE RINGS movies; a horror/suspense genre director taking the helm of a huge fantasy franchise. But it's an even bigger gamble, I think; when Jackson took the LotR job, it was already obvious that he knew his way around an action sequence. AVATAR is, if anything, even more action-oriented than LotR, but there's little in M. Night Champagnecocktail's resumé to suggest he's up to the task.

Still, I'd like to see this work, for a couple of reasons; first, it would be great to have a really good, home-grown martial arts franchise. AVATAR is, at heart, a Zhang Yimou movie—a mix of wuxia action, sympathetic characters, and rich world-building. To make that formula accessible to kids (and, more generally, to audiences who don't bother with subtitles) could only be a good thing.

Secondly, and sorta related; it would be great to see an American movie franchise—an American children's movie franchise, at that—with multiple strong roles for Asian and Asian-American actors.

Thirdly—and this is a bit of Hollywood inside baseball, here—a financial breakthrough for these movies might be hammer that finally sells The Powers That Be on the proper way to make a science fiction or fantasy franchise; namely, to make the massive investment up front and shoot 'em all as near to simultaneously as you can. You'd think LotR and the two MATRIX sequels would have shown them, but no; they've been fucking it up ever since.

They shot THE LION, THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE as a one-off, then rescheduled the sequel two years back; by the time PRINCE CASPIAN comes out—if it's ever actually made; they may decide to shitcan it when they see how much the kids have grown—the cultural moment for Narnia will be long past, and it'll tank, killing a potential seven-film series at Film Two.

They're doing the same thing with THE GOLDEN COMPASS; I'll tell you, if THE SUBTLE KNIFE ever gets made, I'll eat my hat. They did it with A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS.

(The PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN films have done it right. And the Harry Potter films are different, sort of; they were optioned all at once, and the lead players signed multi-film contracts, so the downtime between productions has been relatively brief even as the director's chair has been a revolving door. And because the book series is still going, it continues to generate interest in the property.)

It's simple economies of scale. If Peter Jackson had shot each RINGS movie separately, each would have cost (say) 120 million. By shooting the whole thing at once (more or less) and brought the entire trilogy in for about 250 mil. (My numbers may be off.)

The problem is short-sightedness. People would rather run a smaller risk for a smaller potential gain, and so it's easier to raise 120 million three times over than to raise 250 million just the once.

If M. Night Itsashameaboutray can carry this off, then maybe maybe maybe this time, the suits will get it.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:05 / 16.01.07
My concern would be how involved the show's creators will be. Their influence on the scripting and plotting can't be removed, in my humble opinion.

I'm so-so on M. Night doing this. God knows the man needs to get away from his insipid parade of 'twist ending' movies and give himself a wider creative berth. I'm just not sure how well he'll be able to do it.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:25 / 30.07.07
Season 3 trailer debuted at the SDCC forum. And it still sends chills down my spine.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:37 / 30.07.07
Corrected link.
 
 
Razor Wind
21:28 / 15.08.07
September crawls ever closer. Going by the trailer (dangerous as that may be),we're in for some major asskickery and angst. Wonderful.
Was that Toph we were seeing in the dark bit?
 
 
Hieronymus
03:00 / 16.08.07
Sure was.
 
 
Razor Wind
21:44 / 16.08.07
Bugger it. I turned my brightness all the way up and all I saw of her was an eye;at least I think it was an eye. Damn earth tones. :-/
It is an exceptional series — you get an impression of a show where everything behind the scenes has gone right. What I love about it is how well it's adopted the tropes of anime,notably Osama Tezuka's notion that children are capable of handling 'adult' themes. I've introduced my 5-year-old nephew to it and he's (mostly) loving it...though I do have to supply a running commentary when the plot becomes too twisty,and he gets bored by the romantic bits. No problem with death scenes,though. :-|
 
 
Hieronymus
00:52 / 17.08.07
Bear with, Razor. A sharper version of the Season 3 trailer is due out at Nick pretty soon.

In the meanwhile, check out this ComicCon Avatar forum vid.

100X less tiring than actually being there.
 
 
Hieronymus
18:48 / 24.08.07
If you need the Season 3 trailer any sharper...
 
 
Razor Wind
22:46 / 24.08.07
Thank you! Now I can see and obses^H^H^Hanalyse it properly,things look pretty tough for our heroes...and Iroh.

Teasers and spoilers aplenty here *rubs hands*. So many questions...

I don't really understand Zuko. Even though he receives all he'd wanted,he's still unhappy,still the very image of a troubled teenager. He could give Angel a run for his money in the 'brooding' stakes. AND he let Iroh be thrown in prison. Explain yourself,young man :-P.

New duds and haircuts (Aang's a hairbender now :-) ) for nearly everyone;explains why I couldn't see (dark reds and brown on brown). Are the benders trying to sneak in to the FN? Or do they get captured and have to break out? I'd put my money on the latter,because we see them in both their old & new outfits. Aang resembles a Shaolin monk even more now.
The parting of the Fellowship?
Is that a new member of the band in 1:17? Or just Sokka?
Katara,being determined. And looking lovely while she's at it.
Who's the old man doing the airbending?
I can see Toph! And she's being awesome(I'm a bit of a fan)!
Swordfighting lessons.
Armoured Apa > balloon any day.
Poor old glider's looking a bit tattered. Everyone's looking a bit tattered.
Avatar Roku flashback?
Aang,looking down on the city,then flying down on his repaired glider.

Need. Third. Season.
 
 
Jack Fear
01:15 / 25.08.07
Is that a new member of the band in 1:17? Or just Sokka?

What, with the fox-head helmet? Pretty sure that's Sokka, yeah.

This trailer is made of win.
 
 
Razor Wind
20:34 / 28.08.07
No,the one with the topknot watching the fire rain down. Could still be Sokka.
 
 
Hieronymus
15:21 / 24.09.07
So The Awakening rolled out Friday (best torrent I've found is here)...

Anyone else put off by Ozai's look? The way they hyped it (and Mark Hamill's voice seems missing. I could be wrong) Ozai seemed like the devil himself.

Other than that, a kick ass start.
 
 
Razor Wind
22:32 / 24.09.07
I wasn't put off by his look,more by his character. He seemed oddly flat,as if he didn't really believe the words he was saying.

Still it had everything I'd hoped for,with a few surprises. Most surprising was Katara's behaviour - where the hell had she been hiding that resentment towards her father? And the Zutara shippers got even more ammo,with hints of more-than-sisterly affection. When she said Aang needed to go for another "healing session"... I'm sure I heard the squee of a thousand fangirls.

Then they showed that scar. Ow.

Sokka looked great. He should wear captured uniforms more often. :-D
Toph! Toph!
Azula...you may hate her,but damned if she hasn't got style. Picking up on Zuko's doubt & pre-empting the possibility of the Avatar reappearing by letting him take the credit - and any subsequent shame - was a masterly move.

That was grimly symbolic at the end;I couldn't help but feel a twinge at him literally burning one of his bridges to his past.
 
 
Razor Wind
20:11 / 29.09.07
I was not expecting this; episode 2 is out now.
 
 
Hieronymus
20:19 / 29.09.07
What weren't you able to expect about it, Razor?
 
 
Razor Wind
23:38 / 29.09.07
What weren't you able to expect about it, Razor?

Being here so early. I'm used to waiting a week or more.


Liked this episode;not as stellar as the last one,but they can't all be.

Was anyone else thinking of Monkey! when they were in that cloud? If he'd done the hand gesture it would have been perfect.

The Fire Nation may be a warmongering,totalitarian regime,but they know how to make clothes that flatter the figure. Katara's looking especially pretty:


The misaimed slang made me cringe. I know it's supposed to be embarrassing,but it wasn't funny when I was young and it's not funny now. Quit it. *exasperated face at Aang*

Zuko's being a right immature prat. As soon as Azula said he would have to take any blame,he's off to his uncle — whom he betrayed and was indirectly responsible for placing in prison — to ask for advice. Then he gets stroppy when there's none coming. You make the bed,you lie in it — not even heartfelt confessions can change that. And lay off the Mai;it's like watching Wednesday Addams making out.O_o

School's out for Aangy!
More cringing when Aang's 'parents' were called in. *facepalm*

I did like the rav^H^H^H dance hall he set up and the initial blank faces of his classmates,especially because it confirmed that...

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It was so suggestive;gazing into each other's eyes,he telling her not to worry about all eyes being on them,ending up dripping with sweat;it was damn near foreplay.
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Zuko,Zuko,Zuko. You're supposed to come to the Light side once you've realised your mistake,not act like a standard villain. I was going to make a sarky comment on how they never say 'die' or 'kill' in Avatar,but it's occurred to me that maybe he couldn't bring himself to say it.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
20:31 / 07.10.07
In the Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann thread, Satanic Panic wrote:

Why, besides Avatar, can't we have anything this good on Western telly?

Consulting Wikipedia, I discover that:

'Avatar creators Bryan Konietzko and Michael Dante DiMartino [stated]: "We love all the films of Hayao Miyazaki, especially Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke." [...] Avatar director Giancarlo Volpe also claims the staff "were all ordered to buy Fooly Cooly and watch every single episode of it."'

Never having really made notice of this series before, is it worth checking out on this basis? These are not comparisons I'm apt to take lightly you see.
 
 
Hieronymus
00:30 / 08.10.07
It is. The anime homages in this show are worth the price of renting, just by themselves.

Much less the story.
 
 
Razor Wind
23:58 / 08.10.07
Seconded. There's a sequence in the first episode which looks and feels like it was lifted from a Miyazaki film,joyful expressions and all.
 
 
Razor Wind
22:19 / 15.10.07
Two episodes in one,for your nitpicki..I mean,viewing pleasure.

Episode 3:I know it's a children's series,but this was the first time it felt routine — the Captain Planet moral and the simple 'go to town,help fix town' plot was disappointing. I enjoyed it more when I watched it again,but only for the little hints Katara gave of what she was doing. And for Doc/Shou/Boshi.

Episode 4:Now we're talking. Tired of being the only non-bender("Stay there and mind Momo!"),Sokka becomes a (sort of) badass swordsman in a halfway-credible manner. Cue awesome swordfight,face prints and the rest of them trying to make jokes. Avatar is cool again;everything's better :-).
 
 
Razor Wind
23:20 / 15.10.07
Argh. Completely forgot the Iroh Balboa moments. He's training...but for what?
Also,more misleading trailer imagery is revealed to be not what it seems.
 
 
Hieronymus
15:13 / 19.10.07

Sokka's Master was excellent. Was good to see Sokka hadn't turned 180 degrees into a ninja bad-ass but had just enough Buster Keaton/ Jackie Chan in him to adapt the learning to his personality.

Some discussion among some drinking buddies of mine tossed about the gigantic WHO of Aang's firebending teacher. I really, REALLY want it to be Zuko, for redemptive value. Then again he'd almost make the worst teacher known to man and beast.

One friend of mine suggested that Iroh could be killed and Zuko forced to finally switch sides at his uncle's dying request. *shrugs* So much speculation, only 16 episodes to go.

But they sure are taking their sweet time getting there.
 
 
Aertho
22:17 / 19.10.07
I'm betting on Azula teaching Aang.
 
  

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