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The Pope's recent comments on Islam

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:08 / 04.10.06
Seeing conflicting reports on that one, Mist.

Also another report claiming it was to avoid military service. I don't think anyone actually knows yet.
 
 
grant
02:07 / 04.10.06
How exactly do you feel that such an unworldly, starry-eyed innocent progressed through the cursus honorum of one of the oldest and most sophisticated bureacracies in history? Was it dumb luck, or do wiser and more politically aware heads seek to advance this unworldly academic to their Church's highest office?

I'm not sure about "innocent," necessarily, but an idealist -- in the sense of one who privileges ideals over mundane experience. After all, he's sort of not supposed to be entirely worldly. The Church is, from this perspective, the original ivory tower -- its role as a teaching institution is in its charter, and to a certain degree a skilled academic is just the kind of person for whom the institution has been designed.

I suppose the least charitable read of this unworldliness would be the Church as holding its thumbs in its ears and going "Hosanna La La La!" every time something like AIDS comes up. The bureacracy isn't necessarily built around political engagement or looking out at the world -- when I sit and think about it, the fact that JPII was the first pope to actually, like, visit a mosque, ever, seems kind of strange from a political standpoint.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:16 / 04.10.06
Thanks, Grant - that makes more sense. Hooever:

I'm not sure about "innocent," necessarily, but an idealist -- in the sense of one who privileges ideals over mundane experience.

I don't think that one can really distinguish the two, and I doubt the Benedict would - his doctrine of the faith work, I think, was pretty tied up with seeing how the Church was applying its teachings, as well as the teachings itself.

In terms of Islam, the ideal is that Islamic countries allow Roman Catholics to worship freely, and the Catholic Church to proselytise freely - reciprocity. The ideal is also to prevent Islam making inroads in your key audience - in particular, in North and South America, I would ween. So, creating a rift between Islam and Catholicism, if a little short-sighted, doesn't seem entirely unworldly, especially if you've kind of given up on the reciprocity idea actually coming to anything.
 
 
grant
00:57 / 05.10.06
True -- and I also found a piece today on a weird pronouncement that the commentator saw as canny political positioning vs. Islam: He pronounces that there's no such thing as Limbo.

Political significance (according to commentators): Islam is clear about salvation for stillborn infants, and Catholicism is growing fastest (& competing most) in countries with a large Muslim presence and a higher infant mortality rate. I'm not up enough on the specific beliefs there to really process it beyond what I'm reading.
 
 
Axolotl
17:19 / 05.10.06
Well technically he only abolished the Limbo for unbaptised babies. Those virtuous pagans born before J.C did his stuff are still stuck there.
 
  

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