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Elettaria
13:21 / 20.09.06
I should make one for my manly boyfriend to increase his manliness (er, so to speak). He's been cruelly refusing my demands for hot lesbian sex (silly in-joke from the Dracula reading group I run, someone had an icon saying, "We are having HOT LESBIAN SEX. And by 'lesbian sex', we mean tea. But it's still hot", and that very evening we went to see The Black Dahlia, which has lots of hot lesbian sex and indeed dodgy lesbian sex), apart from a nice cup of white tea this morning, and ignores me when I point out that he should stop being so heteronormative.

I haven't tried the two-toilet-roll-tubes-and-an-eggbox school of DIY in decades, though. Do you think it would be easier or harder than Ikea furniture?
 
 
Ticker
13:39 / 20.09.06
more attractive at any rate.
 
 
Olulabelle
22:06 / 22.09.06
The Rastafarian women of the Boboshanti spend 21 days apart from their menfolk. 7 days menstruating, 7 days prior and 7 days after they are not allowed to be with their 'Kingmen'. But if they are pregnant, they can spend as much time as they like with him. They say this:

"The Boboshanti who see themselves as the priestly sect among the 31 orders within the Rastafari movement, say that around the time of menstruation the female body is undergoing a process of cleansing and must be left alone until a seven-day window deemed fit for sexual intercourse."
 
 
Saturn's nod
10:30 / 23.09.06
No-one mentioned Lara Owen yet, or did I miss it? I love her book, 'Her blood is gold', though there's no sign yet as far as I know of the reportedly forthcoming new edition of it.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:34 / 23.09.06
I've always had an odd relationship with my menses. They have always been far too heavy, very erratic, very painful, and accompanied by a Ginger Snaps degree of emotional upheavel. I never engaged with them magically until very recently. It's no good trying to tell someone that her periods are a wonderful symbol of her connection to the Goddess and the Moon etc. when the painters are turning up at intervals of anything from three to seven weeks and putting her out of action for at least a day at a time.

Funnily enough, it was only when they became extra screwed up last year that I really began taking an interest. I aquired an extra 'period' following a powerful and significant trance experience. It occurs mid-cycle and happens about every other month now. I don't use the blood itself, but while the whole thing is going on certain devotional and magical activities are facilitated.
 
 
Ticker
15:34 / 23.09.06
Mine were epic until I learned the power of primrose oil dosing the week before. I wonder if high school would have been less traumatic if I'd known about it then.

If I could I'd structure my work so I'd have those days off to work on spiritual projects. As it happens now I find my perspective shifts quite a bit and it is quite easy for me to trance out.
 
 
Mono
21:12 / 23.09.06
I stopped using hormonal birth control in the spring after trying various different little pills for about two years and my periods are on a weird six week cycle. It really feels like my body is trying to sort itself out but it's taking longer than I expected...

My mother took me out for a fancy dinner at a fancy restaurant when I had my first period. It was lovely.
 
 
Ticker
21:33 / 23.09.06
I'm going to start a fancy dinner fund for my neice. It sounds like a great option, one which will float by my more conservative b-inlaw. That and maybe a garnet piece of finery.
 
 
Saturn's nod
10:22 / 24.09.06
A friend of mine asked lots of her female friends to write stuff about their adolescence, experiences of periods, what kinds of sanpro they use and why, about sex, anything else they wish they had known at age 12, and collected them into a scrapbook which was presented to her daughter to celebrate her menarche.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:28 / 24.09.06
*is envious*
 
 
Ticker
12:03 / 24.09.06
*is envious too*
 
 
Olulabelle
19:23 / 24.04.07
So. I'm happy to come back to this thread. It has taken me about eight months to come to a decision about whether to remove my coil. I don't know what the significance of that time is, probably nothing other than that I don't seem to be very quick at making big decisions. If it had have been nine months I would have laughed.

I went to the doctor's today and I spoke to him about removing my coil. I told him I felt uncomfortable without my periods and less womanly, and he thought I was very weird. He asked me if I thought women who have had their menopause were less womanly, which is a valid point.

He told me that the Mirena is not normally prescribed to women who may want more children because it can take up to two years for the progestegen to leave your body. I did not know this and if I had known it I think I would have been less likely to agree that it was the right thing for me.

So I told him to remove it, which he did very efficiently; I just felt one minor, contraction-like cramp.

And then I walked home, feeling very odd indeed. Now I know this is totally, psychosomatic, but currently I feel 'fertile' and I can't describe it as anything other than more 'womanly'. Which is quite stupid.

I am really aware of not having anything interfering with my body. It's a very strange feeling, considering that for nine years I have lived with knowing I am a/not fertile and b/not menstruating.

Technically it is possible for me to get my first period of nine years tomorrow, although the doctor thinks it may be some months. I feel pretty angry about that. I really didn't know the long term side effects of having had a Mirena coil.

I noticed that this week is the run up to Beltane, and all the fertility festivities that that brings. Removing my coil now is quite potent timing and not something I did at all deliberately.
 
 
Ticker
19:31 / 24.04.07
'Lula I think that's fucking awesome that you were so thoughtful about considering it and stepped up and had it removed. I'm also horrified that your healthcare providers never fully informed you of the impact of a medical implant/procedure.
I would strongly advocate you look into herbal options like primrose oil to help balance out the transition.

Do make sure you have support for any shifts in mood or outlook with the change in your body.

Any plans to celebrate?
 
 
Katherine
09:13 / 25.04.07
Like XK I am surprised by the lack of information your doctors gave you on the coil and I hope everything goes well for you now.

And then I walked home, feeling very odd indeed. Now I know this is totally, psychosomatic, but currently I feel 'fertile' and I can't describe it as anything other than more 'womanly'. Which is quite stupid.


I wouldn't say it was stupid at all, your body will be changed, it no longer has something in it preventing it from doing something which it was designed to do. It's amazing how we can get used to something such as a coil and not notice it's affect on the body (apart from not having a period etc) yet we do and sometimes its only when it is removed we can see the fact.

This is one of many coincidences I have been noticing just recently within some of the work I have been doing towards this time of year/Beltane. Part of the reason I have really been noticing is the fact as of monday I have finally been discharged from seeing a consultant at my local hospital. However the mental change has been quite confound for me, I don't have to take a tablet to ensure my period does arrive, no hormones in my body except for ones my body produces. It's a weird bunch of thoughts. Plus I'm looking forward (and dreading) to seeing if my work with blood changes due to this or not.
 
 
HCE
15:11 / 25.04.07
I'm reading an article for one of my classes that might be of interest to folks in this thread. The article is "A Woman's Curse?" by Meredith F. Small and appears in Conformity and Conflict, a cultural anthropology reader. In the article she takes a look at taboos surrounding menstruation (particularly among people in a group of Dogon villages) and how they change when Dogon women marry men who practice non-traditional religions, for example. She then takes a look at one major difference from Western, industrialized, urban societies, which that Western women menstruate more about 350 times to 110 for Dogon women. She winds up suggesting that chemical contraceptives might be improved if they suppressed ovulation and menstruation rather than inducing it on a regular schedule, so that they mimic the menstrual pattern of a woman who is pregnant and nursing. The book does not provide a list of references, so I'm not sure what sources she's using other than a 1994 article in The Quarterly Review of Biology. Might be interesting to see what more current sources have to say on the subject?
 
 
Papess
16:49 / 25.04.07
Fabulous thread, Olulabelle. Thank you for sharing your experiences and insights. I am not done reading the thread, yet, but I am just happy that this topic is being broached.
 
 
Olulabelle
22:21 / 30.04.07
To diarise, for a little bit:

I have been bleeding for two days. It is very erratic. (To be graphic, so skip if it icks): Today I cycled to school and realised half way there that I was bleeding. I was not bleeding overnight or before I got on the bike. Can cycling induce bleeding?

And what to do when on a bike?

I had to wait until I got to my Ashtanga yoga class and could nip in to the ladies and buy tampons from the machine. The last time I had my period, there were not machines in loos. It was all a delightful new experience, if a little costly. 50p! So anyway, Ashtanga yoga, little bit stressful; all that power jumping. I am having cramps too, but the yoga did help I think.

I feel widly happy. I do not know if this is due to my hormones, or normality or general delight or what? I fear a potential crash.

I feel slightly more round in the general fatness department. This could be entirely psychosomatic, or perhaps early onset middle aged spread. Who knows?

Fertility is exciting.
 
 
Mako is a hungry fish
22:47 / 30.04.07
Fertility is exciting.

Congradulations - your experience is being translated rather well, and I can't help but smile.

I'm curious if you're going to use any of the blood in a ritual, perhaps of thanksgiving or reclaimation or to get into contact with some of the darker lunar deities, if that's your thing.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:52 / 30.04.07
Can cycling induce bleeding?

Based purely on my own experiences I would say yeah. I used to have similar experiences when I used to ride a bike.
 
 
alas
02:15 / 02.05.07
What a cool thread. Why have I not spent more time in the temple. Thanks to all.

I have so many things to say, but need more time to contemplate.
 
 
alas
15:12 / 03.05.07
Still thinking about this thread, but wanted to share this news story from a few months ago about "natural family planning"--which is a horrible name for paying close attention to your body, monitoring it, for contraceptive purposes (although the same techniques are also regularly used for conceptive purposes...).

Although obviously the name, and the research clearly arise from religious goals that many of us find appalling, the technique seems pretty valuable. If women are carefully trained, and follow the rules scrupulously, the pregnancy rates are actually better than for condoms and the same as for the pill, the article says. And I believe it could be so empowering--even magical? for those of us who don't have a clear sense of when we're ovulating.

(Can I get off my chest here, that the snarky part of me is thinking: If the Catholic church is so concerned about women's health and lives, and is truly pro-life, they should put all the money they are currently providing for anti-choice work and advertising, into providing expert training and tools or women around to learn and practice and develop this process....)

The rest of me is just interested in the way that such a process could help many women become more grounded in themselves, and ideally help het women, especially young het women, to be more assertive in sexual relations with men.

Of course, it still won't help in situations of rape--whether stranger rape or the "nice guy" who kept going when he was asked to stop--or if a woman feels for whatever reason unable to clarify that she doesn't want to be penetrated, doesn't want this. And, obviously, it doesn't protect the lovely shell-like vaginal walls and the delicate cherry-shaped vulva from disease. At all.

To paraphrase a character from Toni Morrison's Beloved--Yonder they don't love those parts of your body. You got to love them. You.
 
 
Katherine
09:01 / 04.05.07
Still thinking about this thread, but wanted to share this news story from a few months ago about "natural family planning"--which is a horrible name for paying close attention to your body, monitoring it, for contraceptive purposes (although the same techniques are also regularly used for conceptive purposes...).

Once you get past the pro-sites I have found the effectiveness rate goes to 80-95% rather than being on par with the contraceptives like condoms and the pill.

Whilst it is a good idea and would get more women in tune with their own bodies, I can't help think that they will start blaming their bodies if it goes wrong and they end up pregnant.

Quite a few sites already say that women who ended up pregnant on this method had sex too close to their fertile period which may be true but I don't see evidence of them checking to make sure. So the blame/reasoning falls on the woman.

And how many days grace should you give around your fertile time to make sure this method is effectively working? I would guess that the answers for on the web so I'm going to be doing a bit more reading.
 
 
EmberLeo
09:57 / 11.02.08
Since I'm currently in the mood-swing phase of my cycle, I find myself curious how this affects peoples magical and/or spiritual practice?

For me, I find that it's a lot like any other kind of sensitivity - I'm always Hypersensitive. For me, it's a condition, not just a personality trait. So PMS makes me even more so. While this does mean I'm more overwhelmed and more moody, it also does seem to mean I'm more Open to things like messages and possibly trance as well. But I'm not sure, 'cause I've only noticed the pattern incidentally, rather than tracked it diligently.

--Ember--
 
 
Olulabelle
20:37 / 20.02.08
I don't know but it would be a really interesting thing to track and record. Unfortunately I cannot do this at the moment since I am now twenty weeks pregnant and so obviously not having mood swings related to cycles, more mood swings relating to being booted in the bladder by a baby which clearly has a good kick!

But it's actually a very fascinating idea, that women may be more open to things like trance at particular times of their cycle. Has anyone else noticed this or ever tried to track such things?
 
 
Katherine
06:08 / 21.02.08
Well my article for the Temple Journal was based on my work with my menstrual cycle/blood, and what you have said fits in well with the next piece I am looking at and recording. I know a few people who do trance and other related activities on a certain phase of the moon, what I have done with my practice is work with my cycle in replace of the moon. As above so below type thing, basically after tracking my periods and magical work together (thank goodness for good records!)I was finding that my menstrual cycle provided a better source to work with as the energy changes within myself.

Thanks to comments from the person who helped me re-write my article I have a small hatchling theory that maybe the idea for working magic with the moon was due to the fact that women may have worked with their personal cycle first, if you have a standard-ish cycle (they vary between 26 to 29 days roughly) of 27-28 days then you will fit in with the moon so this wouldn't be apparent to an onlooker. Still working on this so help, thoughts and ideas are most welcome!
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:42 / 18.09.11
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