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And the best single of the 21st century thus far is...

 
  

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Jackie Susann
00:38 / 25.08.06
On the Justin Timberlake thread, Falconator asserted that Nelly Furtado's 'Promiscuous' is the best single of C21. The following discussion ensued...

Kali
Nuh-uh, for me, "Sexyback" is that single. I heart it because it makes me feel so deliciously dirty.

Me
Is this the appropriate place to argue about what the greatest single of the 21st century actually is? Because believe me, I will!

Kali
The gauntlet has been thrown down.

Me
Yeah but there's not even any challenge, cause neither of the songs named so far are even in the top twenty. You're going to have to throw the guantlet harder than that.

Falconator
Start a thread, baby. I'm torn 'twixt Promiscuous and Cry Me A River, actually.

Now, the irony is that Falconator has already ruled himself out of serious contention, because neither Promiscuous nor Cry Me A River are even the best singles released by their respective artists this century (being beaten out by, on the one hand, Maneater, and by Like I Love You and Rock Your Body, and probably Sexyback, on the other).

Basic rules: You can lay down your choice, and explain why, or you can criticise other posters choices, or you can criticise other posters criticisms. I think its better if we restrict it to mainstreamish anglo-american pop, although I fully expect you all to ignore me on this. (I am saying this because otherwise I am going to spend weeks trying to figure out what I think is the best dancehall single of the last few years, because it is almost certainly the actually correct answer to this question, but hardly anyone here will argue about it with me, hence, no fun.)
 
 
The Falcon
01:12 / 25.08.06
Dude, seriously, if you're trying to play that the, at best, generic 'Rock Your Body' comes anywhere near 'Cry Me... Cry mee-eeh', I ain't trynna hear that.

THIS THREAD IS OVER.
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
01:36 / 25.08.06
Groovejet, by Spiller/Sophie Ellis-Bextor. Pretty much the perfect pop/dance song; like it or loathe it, you have to admire it as a jewel of the genre.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
04:32 / 25.08.06
Possibly "Crazy in Love". Possibly "Toxic"?
 
 
Jackie Susann
06:17 / 25.08.06
I considered both of those possibilities. However, the unimpeachibly correct choice is 'Flipside' by Freeway and Peedi Crakk. For the following reasons:

1 - Just Blaze, at the absolute peak of his powers, unleashes what may be the most banging beat in the history of the world, making shit like Big Black and Wagner and whatever sound about as imposing as S Club 7. And I mean, try not to dance like a motherfucker when you hear this! It can't be done.

2 - When Freeway screams, 'woooooooooooo' at the start, before the massive 'Just Blaze' drops, it is the best opening for any song ever, if not simply the finest moment in the history of recorded music (just nudging out Justin saying 'Drums' on Like I Love You).

3 - Free's vaguely Ghostface-ish stressed vocals, playing off Peedi's charismatic precision slur, both so tight on the beat you could chop salad with them. Free goes so fucking hard on this song that he can get through completely nonsensical shit like the following:

Shorty look good in a thong
And she want me to sneak in her building like Trojans of Troy
Best believe there's Trojans involved
Hat slipped over the boy, oh boy


and you totally don't care that, like, hardly any of that rhymes and that Trojans did not, in fact, need to sneak into Troy and you would, in fact, do absolutely anything Free asked you too because he is THAT AWESOME.

4 - Oh yeah plus if you need any more, how fucking good is his neckbeard? And his aka is Baby Gorilla!

DON'T EVEN BOTH TRYING TO DISAGREE!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
06:42 / 25.08.06
I think its better if we restrict it to mainstreamish anglo-american pop

I haven't heard of "Flipside". My two suggestions were partly based on the tracks being so widespread, crossover and mainstream that they've become embedded in popular culture; that, for a huge section of the Anglo-American audience, they would be part of the essential soundtrack to the century so far (and literally, "Toxic" soundtracked both Doctor Who and Life On Mars I think). I think some songs go beyond their genre, beyond even music, and become a part of everyday life for people who wouldn't normally listen to the artist ~ who might not even buy the single, let alone the album ~ and I think those two tracks qualify.
 
 
Jackie Susann
08:12 / 25.08.06
By those criteria I think the best single of the century so far is something from High School Musical.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
08:18 / 25.08.06
I don't know what layers of affectionate irony surround your last post, but that movie (unfortunately?) never made it to the UK as far as I know, and its soundtrack is utterly obscure to me. Maybe that was the point?
 
 
Jackie Susann
08:46 / 25.08.06
The dumb part is I don't know how many layers of irony surround it either! I am pretty sure it was huge in the States though - I know the soundtrack topped the charts. Its a Disney-produced telemovie musical (and wildly entertaining, by the way).

My main point was that 'singles the go beyond being songs and enter the cultural awareness of people not that into music' doesn't seem to me a very good criterion for 'best single', because totally weird and random shit fulfils it.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:22 / 25.08.06
It's true that the criterion I suggested doesn't have much to do with selecting the "best single of C21", but if we're talking about best mainstream pop single, then "became a big part of a mainstream audience's lives" and "feels like the soundtrack to the year it came out (for many people)" is a very vague gesture towards this idea.

Like, I wouldn't suggest a Girls Aloud track even if one of those might be my best single of C21, because I think the winner has to be a track that transcended the band or artists' fans, became something bigger.

By that token though, "Everything I Do (I Do It For You)" would be the soundtrack to 1991, and that wouldn't make it a good single by any means.

I suppose I am saying that the winning track should combine a quality or set of qualities that we'd all mostly agree on, plus an inarguably pop/mainstream aspect.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:36 / 25.08.06
That last post took me about 45 minutes to write in between phone calls at work, so I would be surprised if it makes much sense. Maybe I should just stick to my 2 suggestions above and let you ignore my further discussion...
 
 
Mistoffelees
12:57 / 25.08.06
Please keep in mind the 21st century started on 01. january of 2001.
 
 
The Falcon
13:05 / 25.08.06
Only smartarses think so.
 
 
chaated
13:49 / 25.08.06
Do any of you actually listen to GOOD music or just teeny-bopper bullcrap? Are you all 15?
 
 
Sniv
14:01 / 25.08.06
ahahahahahaha. ahahahahhaha. heh. Um, you might want to delete that post before anyone sees it Chaated, statements like that are not taken too very kindly round these parts. You best watch for the tyre-tracks of Flyboy's new suit...
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
14:01 / 25.08.06
Woohoo! Here we go!

It's been a while since we had one of these!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
14:15 / 25.08.06
I think the people who feel a need to scorn someone else's taste in music, including pop, are often insecure adolescents.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:29 / 25.08.06
I'm not even going to swing for that one. "Are you all 15?" is more entertaining than "Are you students being ironic?" (see the Pop Corner thread) but it's still not worthy of this man:



Sorry, I realise this is thread-rot, but I don't really know where to start with picking the best single of the 21st century! I couldn't pick the best album and best single seems even harder. It's always tempting to go for the most 'influential' or 'important' thing you can think of ('Get Ur Freak On'?), but canon-building is a mug's game. I'll try and think of something to argue for for entertainment's sake this weekend.
 
 
Sniv
14:37 / 25.08.06
I think that people that say "Are you all 15?" are usually 16 themselves.
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
14:37 / 25.08.06
To treat the point vaguely seriously, chaated, there are any number of definitions of good. To a record company executive, a good single might be one which sells a million copies, say. It doesn't matter if it's Bob the friggin' Builder, it's good by that standard. Or, perhaps, a good single might be one which captures zeitgeist, which was why I nominated a song I was heartily sick of hearing every half an hour for an entire summer and don't like the artist... Or a good single might be one which is technically accomplished, or one with personal meaning to someone, or one which you can sing along with, or whatever. Like people've been saying, even choosing criteria for "good single" is tricky. Still fun, though.
 
 
Sniv
14:45 / 25.08.06
I just turned 17, btw. /end threadrot

My favourite single of the decade so far has been McLusky's "To Hell with Good Intentions", which is just a gleeful chantalong of a song, but probably isn't all that well known, and isn't in the boundaries of what most people call pop, although it's full of hooks to the brim and lyrics that live with you.

My love is bigger than your love
We take more drugs than a touring funk band, sing it
My love is bigger than your love, sing it
My love is bigger than your love

My band is better than your band,
We've got more songs than a song convention, Sing it
My love is bigger than your love, sing it
My love is bigger than your love

And we're all going straight to hell

...


If we're talking pure pop... hmm. I think Beyonce's Crazy in Love was pretty great, as was Britney's Slave 4 U (was that this decade?). I think choosing the best song is a task best left to phone-in voting shows though (and they'd choose Robbie Williams, the tossers).
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
15:00 / 25.08.06
Here's my two cents on chaated's distaste for this thread:

I too used to make fun of others who liked anything that I deemed outside of my own "spectrum" of taste. But then I realized that I enjoyed some pop songs. Unabashedly. Undoubtedly. I mean, I still won't admit it to most of my peers because I face that derision still, but dammit, in the sanctity of my own home I will sing the lyrics to such songs like: "I Want It That Way" "Toxic," "Rock Your Body," "Buttons," etc.

I think a big part of my awareness of what's new in pop music comes from the fact I flip between VH-1 and MTV in the early mornings while I get ready for work. It's the only time they show videos, it seems.

That being said, I seriously like Fergie's new single, "London Bridge," though I have no use for Fergie herself.

Will add my list and defense of 21c singles later when I've had time to ruminate upon it.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
16:59 / 25.08.06
I think that just about everyone needs to realise that "Hard to Explain" by the Strokes is probably the greatest single released since the turn of this century .com/strongtruth.html
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:31 / 25.08.06
Not sure how we're defining "mainstreamish anglo-american pop" here because "Flipside" isn't that. It's like surfing an earthquake, and I'm grateful to you for that Jackie, but I wouldn't call it mainstream pop.

If we're branching out into indie guitars, I throw into the arena Killers, "Jenny Was A Friend of Mine", and Delays, "Valentine".

I think something by Scissor Sisters would also have a strong shot. I guess we're not being all hornby and sticking to songs released as a single?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
17:38 / 25.08.06
Gotta say I've had "Jenny Was A Friend of Mine" stuck in my head all day.

Um, I propose that we have a separate "rock'n'roll" thread for best singles of the 21c.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:54 / 25.08.06
Then you'd be looking at a distinct "hip-hop" thread too, and maybe an "r'n'b" one, and separating them all out would be like getting the egg from the yolk once you've given the mix a good whisk. Even classing Killers as "rock'n'roll" is very much open to debate. But then, I even think "rhythm and blues" is an odd description of urban contemporary music.
 
 
Mistoffelees
18:16 / 25.08.06
Does it have to be a single? With most of my favourite songs, I have no idea, if they ever were a single. So I´ll just pick my favourite song since 01.01.2001.

Since Phish is my favourite band, and I could never decide which of their songs would be my number one, I´ll just pick one from the two albums that were published after 31. december 2000.

So I pick Secret Smile from Undermind. It´s as good as any of the songs from my favourite ever album, Phish´s Billy Breathes. It´s got piano and strings, it´s got a wonderful guitar solo and the drums sound like a heartbeat.

The lyrics are in sync with the mood of the song. The sun is going down, and while someone is drinking wine and enjoying the beauty of nature, he enjoys the (real?) company of someone very dear to him.
 
 
Jackie Susann
21:08 / 25.08.06
I think that making any attempt to seriously decide an answer to this question is ridiculous, so everyone should just pick something and fight for it until they die. Or change their mind and dedicate themselves to something different.
 
 
Jackie Susann
21:36 / 25.08.06
Hey Miss Wonderstarr, if you like Flipside and you haven't heard Pump It Up by Joe Budden, check it out. Its by the same producer and similarly barnstorming, and has the added distinction of being my jelywrestling theme song.

I think Chaated is actually Ron Burgundy. Or at least his post is funnier if you imagine Ron Burgundy saying it.
 
 
at the scarwash
21:37 / 25.08.06
Well, it's absolutely obvious, isn't it? On October 30th, 2001, the world received "Can't Get You Out of my Head," by Kylie Minogue. It is the most what-it-says-on-the-tin pop song ever recorded. Catchy, sexy, sleek. Precision-machined by Cathy Dennis and Rob Davis in, I imagine, sterile clean-rooms miles underground a microchip factory in Texas, aided by bioengineered superintelligent chimpanzees dressed from top to bottom in gleaming white surgical scrubs. The apes were trained by the finest watchmakers of Europe. All of the catering for the songwriting session was taken care of by a fanatical sect of monastic geometrist-sushi chefs, each hospital-sterile steel dish a marvel of proportion and placement and gleaming, cold, David Cronenberg sensuality. The lab coats were by Issey Miyake. Sex was airbrushed on to the gleaming chrome skeleton of the song by black leather robots.

Completely commercial, plastic cold, and yet loveable, adoreable, sexy. As ephemeral as cheap hard candy, and yet with an almost-classical perfection of form. It may stand to become one of the most enduring pieces of art of the century.
 
 
Jackie Susann
21:53 / 25.08.06
You make a very good case. However, I think I should here make an additional point in Flipside's favour:

When an early demo version leaked, it was called, not Flipside, but Cactus Juice!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:57 / 25.08.06
Thanks Jackie ~ hey I am on a roll here from a Policy post asking people what they prefer to be called, do you like people to use both your names? ~ I will get that track asap.

I would support "Can't Get You Out Of My Head" ~ it seems the same global-domination league pop track as "Crazy in Love".
 
 
Totem Polish
22:01 / 25.08.06
Yay, battle thread! Accordingly I think any suggestion other than Lil Jon and the Eastside Boys - Get Low Remix is foolish in the extreme.

This song is what is commonly known as a choon, because whenever anyone I know hears it a huge grin spreads all over their face and they forget all about music posiness and just get down.

I think this might have something to do with the fact that Busta, Ying Yang Twins and Elephant Man are all over it, with Elephant reprising the hook from another choon 'Pon di River Pon di Bank' just, like twice as fast - making it so much better and Lil Jon's production is a minimal retro-futurist electro masterpiece.

And if that doesn't convince you then here's the video a wickedness take off of the Run DMC vs Aerosmith 'Walk this Way' video, just with dancehall replacing cock rock...ye-ah!
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
22:25 / 25.08.06
I have to throw in the towel, and defect to the support of Can't Get You Out Of My Head.
 
 
Totem Polish
22:36 / 25.08.06
Pah! If I may I must add that all you can do is shimmy to 'Can't Get You out of my Head' you can shake your arse like nobody's business to 'Get Low'.
 
  

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