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True transsexualism— authenticity and transness

 
 
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17:22 / 15.08.06
In the Trans men/women are... thread, Sterra said:
"true transsexuality" for example is a disease much in the same way anything else is a disease. People often say that depressed people don't need pills or whatever and that they can just walk it off or whatever. This is dangerous and potentially harmful.

So I think that there should be fear of that, but the loss of privlege is a small fear. The much larger fear should be of being incorrect.


I see this kicking off another thread about authenticity and transness, and I wanted to move it here so that it can have a dedicated discussion. For the sake of full disclosure, I think the notion of "true transsexuality" is a problematic and dangerous one, and one that cannot be divorced from privilege. I hope we can give Sterra the space to articulate hir understanding of the disease of true transsexuality clearly.

I want to explicitly acknowledge that some ways of handling this subject can make many people angry. I think that anger is valid. I also think it's important to be able to talk about this respectfully. Let's make a commitment to do that here.
 
 
Ganesh
19:10 / 15.08.06
I'm not sure depression's a great analogy either. 'True depression' is, as a concept, an equally moveable feast.
 
 
Twice
22:48 / 16.08.06
There is a common supposition that ‘true transsexuals’ must, by dint of their ‘trueness’, have transitioned at an early age. This clearly is not always feasible.

It must be possible that a ‘true’ transsexual might, despite their need, continue to live into adulthood as their natal gender. The analogy of transness being a disease unresponsive to pills (treatment) is largely correct, although depression is by no means a suitable example. ‘It never goes away’ is perhaps more applicable to being trans.

The point at which a subject, by whichever means, ‘buries’ their ‘transnature’ is also difficult to pinpoint. It is quite possible that a person might bury the particular feelings very deeply and be unaware of them until some crisis brings the issue once more to the fore. This is possible.

‘True’ transsexuality is a concept which, as has been suggested, can be used to ‘divide and conquer.’ There is a definite cache among trans (I speak of MTFs) which rewards early transitioners and relegates others to the level of ‘secondary’, therefore lesser, transsexual. I suspect that every transsexual would like to be considered a ‘pure’ transsexual [a concept disturbing in itself], and the common two-grade definition does nothing to describe the variety of directions from which a trans person can arrive at their ‘final’ decision.

I am not convinced that early (I mean pubescent) determination necessarily makes a transperson more transsexual. There is some evidence [a primer here] that childhood gender dysphoria does not necessarily lead to adolescent/adult transsexualism. It is very hard to identify a moment when childhood gender dysphoria means, absolutely, transsexual.

It is also the case that those transsexual people who most closely approximate physically the characteristics of the sex they were not born as are considered purer, or better, transsexuals. Can I say ‘pish’, here? A small minority of people look very attractive dressed as the opposite gender whether or not they have taken hormones. Most people, if they start medicinal hormones early enough, can arrest the effects of the ‘other’ hormones and will, most likely, look more like their acquired gender with time. When hormonal treatment is delayed, unhappy (for a transsexual) effects will happen. These are irreversible. Most people will acquire firm secondary and tertiary sexual characteristics.

If one accepts that it is not necessary for a transsexual to be young in order to be ‘true’, it must follow that some transsexuals will not be traditionally ‘attractive’.

Now we get to the gubbins. Are there two types of transsexual? Is it right that we have ‘androphiles’ and ‘autogynephiles’? Are there ‘autoandrophiles’ and ‘gynephiles’, too? [see wikipedia - here] On this subject, I beg ignorance.
 
 
elene
13:14 / 17.08.06
Claiming there's a true transsexuality implies there's also an untrue or a false transsexuality. What would these look like? Surely the amalgam of all those reasons people seek treatment only finally to reject it, who realise either during or after transition that they wish to remain, or return to being, members of their original gender after all. Untrue transsexuality is therefore any strong desire to change gender that will not hold up in practice.

Why might someone not persist having strongly desired to begin treatment or to transition? Presumably the fantasy, or more accurately, the ideal - all one can have in advance of experience - was incompatible with the reality. So untrue transsexuality is the anticipation of an impossible ideal of woman- or manhood, or possibly just exaggerated hope for how well the transsexual can model that ideal in reality, how well one can claim one's new gender and live it. There is, at any rate, a severe mismatch between aspiration and the reality.

I'm sure many transsexuals hopes can be dashed right from the start. I'm sure people do come in with wild fantasies. We know enough though to be sure that many people whose hopes seem realistic will also come to reject them at some stage. Perhaps they are hiding very specific desires that'll eventually prove unattainable or they'll grow out of. Perhaps one can describe that as a false transsexuality, when what's desired is not the opportunity to negotiate the world as a person of a certain gender, with all that entails, but rather quite specifically a partner or a sexual fantasy, and that remains hidden. On the other hand, who will seek to change their sex and not possess secret hopes of sexual fulfilment?

I think it's apparent how inappropriate the words untrue or false are in this context. A failed enterprise is not an instance of untrue or false entrepreneurship. Rather it was poorly researched or conceived, badly planned or under funded, or perhaps just didn't work out.

Is the word true less inappropriate? Is there some hidden way to know that this is the right decision without having experienced reality firsthand? I, for one, don't think so.
 
 
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17:58 / 17.08.06
I agree— I think that the idea that there is something essential in a person's being that is truly, or is truly not, transsexual is an error of thinking. Of all the people I know who have transitioned "successfully" (that is, they're comfortable having transitioned), there aren't very many commonalities other than that, after due consideration and careful thought, they believed they should. I can't detect any kernel of essential true transsexualism in any of them.
 
 
Sterra
15:09 / 13.09.06
I don't like the concept of true or the word transsexual because I think that both are misleading in this context. I just use the words because they are what is commonly used.

I also don't think that it necessarily just applies to people who do well after transition. To extend the anology of depression further some depressed people commit suicide at higher rates after they go on anti-depressants. This doesn't mean that they weren't depressed. It just means that for their specific case the cure killed them.

I think that there are very few "false transsexuals" and I would define them as people who were pressured into transitioning when that isn't what they wanted.
 
 
Supersister
17:01 / 15.09.06
Selling a solution in the form of medical treatment to people to help them live as a different gender is big business to some so there are people who would be prepared to exert pressure for financial gain. There is an enormous embarrassment and silence about gender generally, I think its important distinguish between gender as a social construct and the role of gender within sexual attraction. I'm sure there are many who seek to change their sex without secret hopes of sexual fulfilment, perhaps they just wish to remove the confusion between how their body looks and how they feel inside? Some have partners who love and are attracted to them whatever their physical gender. Generally the medical procedures involved with transitioning, both psychologically and physically, are designed to alleviate the distress of those who feel strongly that their body doesn't fit their personality. One would expect someone having surgery to be sufficiently together to be able to understand that particular step is designed to be a permanent procedure and carries its own set of risks. I would also hope a responsible medical team would be honest about the benefit and ensure they are not doing more harm than good.
 
  
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