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Using Ordeals for Worship and Magic

 
  

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Ticker
23:37 / 16.02.07
What are the criteria in use for discerning that it is Time for you to seek out or set up an intentionally-entered-into ordeal?

For my own Ordeals I have come to understand that yes a certain set will come find me and others must be shaped in response to need. A chunk of that need is the desire to offer up a devotional act requiring epic effort which will place me fully into a sacred context. In my value system elaborate and beautiful rituals grown from sincere intent have an honored place. I feel the internal desire to set aside a piece of my life & comfort and dedicate it to Those I hold sacred. In this form it is a pilgrimage. It's also in this space that I feel fully manifested as a complete being in Union.

The another primary motivator for an Ordeal for me is to create artifacts of power and these are purely necessity driven. I might need a token to give a person I care about for safe travel or to pay a debt.

The third category for me is to clear some obstacle or transform. I use the Ordeal to strip away all of my pretense and to ground myself in the absolute truth of my being. Extreme pain willingly undertaken in a sacred context can offer up precious insights into what is a core value.

On a 1-10 scale of intensity not every Ordeal is a full volume 10. My water fasts for example I count as a form around a 3 depending on the length. Upon reflection I can honestly say the 10's have been Deity/circumstance administered directly.

Is it the need to be challenged and to offer up that struggle? This might be something akin to laboring for a time in the garden, the need to give service or to honor something through effort.

Is it the desire to journey somewhere sacred and the act is a means to shift your consciousness?

Is it the need to be 'broken down' to your core level and rebuilt?

Is the need to earn some favor or power by trading the coin offered by your Ordeal?

If one is a service top, or facilitator of ordeal ritual work, what should one look for in the subject who is asking for this work?

I'm very cautious about people being drawn to Ordeals out of the desire to prove themselves to some standard that really isn't a healthy part of their life. Consider the difference between a person who wants to prove they can run a marathon versus someone who wants to prove they can out drink the bartender. So I talk about intent and what they wish to accomplish.

I've had a few conversations with people who talked about being blocked, or stagnating, needing to prove or learn who they are. I've had a few about straight up guilt & sin and needing to repay debts. Maybe they want to reclaim something lost, maybe they want to lose or get rid of something, whatever it is they need to be willing to talk to me about it.

What I look for is someone who has thought a lot about their intent. They may have trouble expressing to another person what that intent is at first but the people I chose to work with understand that this is where we need to start from. Where are they now and where do they wish and need to get to.

Only a deep need and desire will sustain someone through a profound Ordeal and IMO the largest part of what an Ordeal facilitator does is help anchor and reaffirm that focus. The entire ritual (complex or simple) needs to be shaped around that intent.

For myself someone has to be willing to show up and talk to me about it (a lot) knowing nothing is going to happen immediately. They have to be open to my safety requirements even if that means the ritual isn't exactly what they had in mind. They have to be willing to abide by my decisions about how extreme it is going to get and I have to trust they will adhere to any requirements I set them. They also need to accept that I will be doing divination about them and possibly asking for confirmation divination from other people. They may also have to accept that for their intent the process maybe drawn out over a period of time and be willing to commit to the process.


So in nutshell I look for willingness to communicate, work, invest, respect the safety requirements, and respect the sacredness of the ritual we are collectively undertaking.
 
 
godhole
01:12 / 01.03.07
Thank you, XK. I have thought a lot about your comprehensive answer to my questions.

Like you, I need to know the intent (what is their need? their desire?) as well as the edge-setting aspect (what is their fear?). But I also need to find out what is or where lies their joy. I have met people who find ordeals of one sort or another easier to endure than facing or voicing their joy. Even if the ritual doesn't go there, I have to have a clue about it (unless its finding is part of the intent), because it seems to me for a lot of people to be a boundary outside the boundaries of fear and endurance.
 
 
Ticker
14:53 / 01.03.07
That's fascinating. Could you expand on it a bit? I'm curious if you've found people to have self esteem or other value issues with what they 'deserve' or are 'entitled to' in terms of joy?

Immediately I'm struck by how powerful Ordeals of pleasure/joy/delight could be for some people and possibly harder to get through.

On a slightly different note I usually ask people to bring a scent and an object that comforts them for the Ordeal aftercare.
 
 
EmberLeo
21:27 / 01.03.07
Immediately I'm struck by how powerful Ordeals of pleasure/joy/delight could be for some people and possibly harder to get through.

This is something I have observed in the kinds of people who come to me for help - not necessarily for anything they'd call an "Ordeal", but I'm starting to realize more and more what Ordeal does and doesn't mean.

To have you put it this way rings a fairly loud bell. I have a friend who seems to mirror me in how we work with others. She tends to show people a dark side they don't want to face, I tend to show them a bright side they can't bear to believe. When we have the same things to say to a person, that person is REALLY in for some serious work. When we find ourselves tag-teaming somebody, we take a very close look at what's going on. But most of the time we just respect eachother and give eachother space, because we have nearly opposite purposes.

The way you've put that - people who don't have faith in their own deserving of joy finding Ordeals of Joy to be harder by far than Ordeals of Pain... I think you've just told me something I really needed to know. Thank you, XK.

--Ember--
 
 
aeon
21:50 / 01.03.07
For me high altitude alpine mountaineering is a magickal ritual of sorts. It's an act that combines fear, high altitude/low temperature induced delerium, physical endurance, all topped off with a summit climax where I plant magickal talismans and enjoy some of the best views in the planet.
 
 
Ticker
22:02 / 01.03.07
aeon, that sounds a lot like pilgrimages I go on for very similar reasons.

Ember, you should thank godhole for starting this aspect of the discussion more than me.
 
 
EmberLeo
06:47 / 02.03.07
Well, it was your sentence in particular that clicked in my brain, but yes, absoloutely thank godhole as well!

--Ember--
 
 
Ticker
18:04 / 05.06.07
So I spent Friday getting a leg and foot tattoo as part of an Ordeal. Like many tattoos it was done in a shop in clean conditions with a pro. The unique parts of the process for me included a long journey to get there, allowing the tattoo to be designed almost entirely by the artist, the focus of the work, and oh yes it was amazingly painful.

I'm still processing much of it as well as nursing a swollen (not infected though) foot.

It has a huge amount of magical intent embued into it and the pain was certainly about a preliminary initiation. Which in hindsight is very strange as it was only during the session that the idea of it as an initiation came up.

I find my tattoos and body mods done outside of sacred ritual offerings are no longer actually outside of anything. The perception of now sacred now everyday just isn't happening with them. In the studio/parlor is now just as potent as in the Temple.

Rather than the tattoo being the final step in a ritual process it really resonated as a beginning place of transformation setting up and triggering later events.
 
 
NyteMuse
02:10 / 06.06.07
Interesting that you mention that (about tattoos and Ordeals). I just got my second one last August and I guess I kind of spontaneously did a bit of a ritual around it. The tattoo I chose was related to a character in a book that I admired greatly. While I was getting the tattoo, I kept thinking of her and the book and how I wanted to be like her. A few weeks later, I started exhibiting some qualities and interests that were specific to her that I never had before *chuckle*
 
 
Ticker
13:43 / 07.06.07
It might be worthwhile for us to dig up a tattoo magic thread to really get into their use for transformation. I'll go see if I can bump one.
 
  

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