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What the hell was That Book called? You know, the one where That Stuff happened in it...

 
  

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Hydra vs Leviathan
14:21 / 30.07.06
Having read the Identify That Tune thread, i thought Barbelith might benefit from a book equivalent - a thread for describing books that you once read, and would like to re-read, or even books that someone described to you and you would like to read, but that you don't know or can't remember the author and/or title of, in the hope that some other Barbelithers might have read them, or have them sitting on their bookshelf, and be able to identify them...

I'll start, with 2 books that i read at least 10 years ago (i.e., when i was roughly 14-15), both of which are probably fairly obscure sci-fi novels, but of the sort that i have a strong suspicion someone at least on Barbelith might have read...

The first one was set on a planet that Earth had colonised at some point in the future, which was mostly desert and had its own indigenous race of very-superficially-humanoids, referred to throughout the book as the "Aboriginals" (I think large parts of the concept were modelled fairly heavily on Australian history, so it could potentially have been an Australian author), which were androgynous, reproduced asexually (i think) and had a practice of "lactating" from one another (to get essential nutrients that were scarce in the desert, or something) through an organ which superficially looked like a penis (which the Earth colonists, who, IIRC, were ruled by some future version of the Catholic church, totally misinterpreted as fellatio).

The colonist Church, on a mission to "save" and "civilise" the "aboriginals", used a combination of drugs, brainwashing and surgery to try to make them look and act like humans, including trying to make "males" and "females" out of them. The plot of the book involved a "female" who was a "star pupil" of this "civilising" process (the adopted "daughter" or something of a wealthy colonial couple) becoming lost/stranded in the desert (together with the narrator-character, who i think was some merchant just arrived from Earth or something) and coming off the drugs, causing "her" to revert physically and mentally to her original form. What i most strongly remember about the book was the very, very psychedelic descriptions of the character regaining her "spiritual" relationship with the land...

I also remember the book being described on its back jacket (in a quote from someone or other) as "the first Third World sci-fi novel". Whoever it was by, it was excellent, probably a big influence on me, and i'd love to read it again and take in the political (race/gender/etc) stuff in it that i probably missed...

The second book also featured a space-colonist version of the Catholic church, and a planet whose very-superficially-humanoid inhabitants had a telepathic/spiritual relationship with the ecosystem/land, but was quite a different writing style (probably older, and probably more "pulpy"). This one had a group of characters (I think including a priest) stranded on a planet which it was impossible, for some atmospheric reason, to get off again, which was mostly water, with a very few bits of land and amphibious inhabitants who lived on artificial "floating islands", but had a low-tech, symbiotic-with-other-species lifestyle (they had intelligent, seal-like reptilian creatures, IIRC).

For some reason the human characters ended up stranded on a boat being dragged uncontrollably by the current to a mysterious landmass on the other side of the planet, which held its "secret", and at the very end they one by one were drawn onto it, returning (in the eyes of those left) brainwashed or mentally "altered", until the last character finally gives in and it turns out that the planet is one huge symbiotic organism, and the humans had merely been resiting the planet's offer to make them "part of it"... This one was possibly by one of the fairly well known and critically acclaimed "mainstream" American sci-fi writers, tho it might not have been... again i can't remember either author or title of it...

So, do either of those (probably rather crap) descriptions ring a bell with anyone?

And, of course, post your unidentified book summaries here...
 
 
Jack Fear
16:13 / 30.07.06
The first sounds like Paul Park's Celestis.
 
 
Mistoffelees
19:37 / 30.07.06
For many years now it has been haunting me, that I don´t remember who the authors of these two books are:

1)
A collection of short stories taking place far in the future. The majority is incredibly stupid. They enjoy tv shows like "stick it in there", where the candidates have cube or cylinder or star shaped forms (like small children playing at the beach), and have to shove the forms in the aproppriately shaped holes and they all fail of course. There is a minority of very brainy people who are extremely fed up with their fellow citizens. In the end they fool the "idiots" into climbing into large "rockets" for a free holiday into outer space. But they just seal the doors and are happy to finally be rid of them.

Some of the stories:
- A teacher has a very bright pupil who lives in very poor conditions. He tries to help him, and succeeds. The pupil thanks him by betrayal, which seems to be acceptable behaviour in that society.
- The surgeons of the future have very advanced tools. You can cut open. operate and sew up the patient with ease in a matter of seconds. The instrument gets into the wrong hands and it gets bloody.

I believe the author was an USAmerican and he was very cynical obviously in his view of the evolution of mankind. I often think of these stories, because I believe he is wrong. I believe we already are at our most stupid and will probably remain so at least until our next stone age.

2)
This author is probably from eastern europe before perestroika. I´m quite sure it is not Lem and not the Strugatzki brothers. I might be wrong of course.

Story: An expedition journeys into an incredibly large house with thousands of floors. They get lost, some return and tell of what alien and obscure stuff they came across. I really liked this story. It reminded me of my nightmares of getting lost in vast and strange houses.

If anyone can tell me the titles and authors, I will be so very happy and thankful, and a part of my brain, that has been pondering over these two books, I have read maybe 15-18 years ago, will finally be able to do the atlas shrug.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
19:29 / 01.08.06
Yes! Celestis (also apparently, and confusingly, in some editions spelt Coelestis) - definitely it! From the reviews i may have misremembered or simply forgotten a few details, but the instant i saw the book cover, the recognition was absolute even to the point of the font of the title... funny how memory can work like that...

And it's 1p on Amazon...

(on looking at this thread again, i feel slightly embarrassed by what now looks like a slightly silly and extremely clunky title... suggestions for improvement welcomed, but if other people like it i don't mind it staying like it is...)
 
 
Jackie Susann
01:20 / 04.08.06
I think this is a longshot, but I'm trying to remember the name of a book we had to read in year nine English.

It was a young adult novel, probably by an Australian author, about a teenage guy who starts to wonder if he's gay. I think because his older brother has a gay friend. The opening is the protagonist fighting some other kid from school, beating him, then getting king hit from behind. Another memorable scene had him batting off to a gay porn mag in a public toilet, only to freak out when he realised some dude was watching through a glory hole. At the end of the book he still wasn't sure if he was gay or not.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
09:24 / 04.08.06
Another one from Year Nine English class: A Russian poet is sent to the gulags in Siberia and, after finding it not to be to his liking, escapes. The majority of the novel shows how he survives the long walk home, catching food and making clothes, basic survival stuff. Then he gets home. That's pretty much it but I remember enjoying it a lot.
 
 
Mistoffelees
11:15 / 04.08.06
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn has written some novels about the russian concentration camps. I couldn´t find a novel, where the prisoner escapes, though.

I know of a german novel by Josef M. Bauer, where a man escapes from a soviet camp and walks 14.208 km until he´s home.

So two times close, but not what you were looking for, I guess. Maybe you can find the author by searching for similar authors like Solzhenitsyn?
 
 
grant
00:34 / 05.08.06
Natty Ra Jah: This one had a group of characters (I think including a priest) stranded on a planet which it was impossible, for some atmospheric reason, to get off again, which was mostly water, with a very few bits of land and amphibious inhabitants who lived on artificial "floating islands", but had a low-tech, symbiotic-with-other-species lifestyle (they had intelligent, seal-like reptilian creatures, IIRC).

That's not Perelandra by C.S. Lewis, is it? Acting out the temptation in the Garden on the planet Venus? Second book in the trilogy that includes Out of the Silent Planet (which is Earth, the only non-telepathic planet in the solar system) and That Hideous Strength. All religious allegories in sci-fi clothing.

The gulag escape thing actually sounds like a section of Doctor Zhivago, but I've never read the book -- only watched Omar Sharif in the snow.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
14:03 / 05.08.06
Grant - it definitely wasn't Perelandra (aka Voyage to Venus), since i'm very familiar with that trilogy (tho i was reminded of Perelandra when trying to describe it... the book i'm thinking of is very different in style, and definitely not Christian in its own "authorial theology"). Probably somewhat more recently written than that (perhaps 1960s), and my gut feeling is that the author would be less likely to be British than American. One of the creepiest bits about it was the end, where the ship is stranded near the mysterious continent, and the characters are "picked off" (tempted to swim over to land and become incorporated into the planet-consciousness) one by one... also, i think the last character to hold out was some sort of drug addict (morphine or something)...

Phex: Another one from Year Nine English class: A Russian poet is sent to the gulags in Siberia and, after finding it not to be to his liking, escapes. The majority of the novel shows how he survives the long walk home, catching food and making clothes, basic survival stuff. Then he gets home. That's pretty much it but I remember enjoying it a lot.

I remember one from about that age at school called "I am David", but i think it was a young boy rather than a poet, and a Nazi rather than a Soviet concentration camp... i do remember lots of survival stuff in it tho, and he becomes almost a feral child in it - it sparked my interest in cases such as the Indian "wolf girls" or Kaspar Hauser... probably not it tho...
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
00:37 / 06.08.06
Story: An expedition journeys into an incredibly large house with thousands of floors. They get lost, some return and tell of what alien and obscure stuff they came across. I really liked this story. It reminded me of my nightmares of getting lost in vast and strange houses.

That reminds me of House of Leaves, which is a real strange mongrel of a book. I mean, really fucking strange, and quite an effort to read through, too.

(edit)

Aie! And now I'm stuck trying to remember (again! I've a feeling Mist may even have reminded me before!) the name of the similarly plotted sf story. "Report on Unidentified Space Station", or something similar, in which astronauts exploring some mysterious object find it expanding in line with their exploration of it.
 
 
Shrug
01:42 / 06.08.06
Mist's 2nd story also slightly reminds me of Kathryn S. Starbuck's "The House at the Top of the Hill" (although realistically I don't think it is) Link here.
A wonderful first page, dips foully in the middle, too twee for some, but as far as young-adult fiction went I liked it quite a bit.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
08:50 / 06.08.06
"Report on Unidentified Space Station", or something similar, in which astronauts exploring some mysterious object find it expanding in line with their exploration of it.

That would be "Report on an Unidentified Space Station" by J.G. Ballard. It's in his collection War Fever, which also includes the fantastic "The Secret History of World War 3", in which a terminally senile, life-support-dependent President Reagan initiates and then almost immediately aborts a nuclear strike on the USSR, with hardly anyone noticing.

*hyped up, heads off to read lots of Ballard short stories*
 
 
Mistoffelees
15:53 / 06.08.06
Thanks Kay and Shrug!

It´s not House of Leaves. I´ve read that (I skipped the narrator´s part though), really nice novel, but mine is a crew of military/scientists and maybe one day I´ll find it.
 
 
Andrew Hickey
22:01 / 20.08.06
Book I read when I was a kid, maybe 20 years ago. I remember it being one of the old Penguin hardbacks with the orange spine. God is persuaded to destroy the world, but two mice are left, Adamus and Evemus (do you see what he did there? Do you see?). The mice evolve a civilisation, but quickly run out of room (only a tiny area is still habitable to mice) and invent wars between left-handed and right-handed mice to try to cull the population. Eventually the right-handers invent nuclear weapons, and they all die. I've never been able to find a reference to this book anywhere - any ideas?
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
22:07 / 20.08.06
Adamus and Evemus (do you see what he did there? Do you see?).

Ah... maybe that was the best translation into English from the original Mousese?

Sorry I can't help with the book, though.
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
01:43 / 21.08.06
Natty Ra Jah: The second book you're talking about, I've read that. But I also don't know what it's called. I have, unfortunately, read some thousands of sci-fi books in my well-spent childhood, and they tend to coalesce into one uber-book, which is interesting, but makes retrieving titles/authors difficult.

When I first read your description, I thought it might have been one of the Niven or Niven/Pournelle books, but I don't think that's it. Next time I'm in my geekclub library, I'll have a look for titles that ring more bells.
 
 
chaated
12:54 / 22.08.06
I remember reading these books as a kid. Looking back it's kind of like a children's version of lord of the rings, but a little different. I remember there being poems about the 5 elements. I want to say it was british, and for some reason the name Elisabeth, whether it was the author or a main character, I have no idea. I think they found rings inside like wood, water, fire, etc. Anybody?
 
 
Cat Chant
13:50 / 22.08.06
It might be the Dark is Rising sequence, by Susan Cooper? There are a bunch of prophetic poems in it, and the main character, Will Stanton, has to find I think 6 symbols of the Light, which are little crosses-in-a-circle: the poem which tells him about them ends:

wood, bronze, iron, water, fire, stone
five shall return, and one go alone.


More Arthurian than Tolkieny, though: Merlin's in it, and there aren't any elves, dwarves, hobbits, etc.
 
 
chaated
18:30 / 22.08.06
that's it!!
 
 
lekvar
04:25 / 23.08.06
Weirdness. Every time I've seen this thread I've considered asking about just that book*, but I din't have any real details beyond finding the symbols and that the main characters were British.

Thank you, serendipity.

*I'm 95% sure we're all talking about the same book, but it's been like 20 years since I read it.
 
 
Mistoffelees
18:53 / 23.08.06
Oh, I recently thought about these books! Those were really fun reads, I still remember a lot of certain ideas and situations in those novels, that were unique and that I hadn´t come across before!

I especially liked a scene, where Merlin lets an assistant do something dangerous and tells the main protagonist, that his assistant will shortly figure out, that the situation could have killed him and that he will turn against the wizard.
 
 
Slate
01:28 / 28.08.06
I started this post not knowing the answer to my question but it came to me. Now I have a bit of a problem, I can't find where to buy it, it's out of print...

May there is a person out there who wants to sell me a copy of Ira Levin's "This Perfect Day"?

Will pay International Shipping etc etc.
 
 
ghadis
07:33 / 28.08.06
Your best bet for out of print books, Slush, is Abebooks. Found a pricey copy from an austrailian seller but also many far cheaper copies from the US.
 
 
Mistoffelees
07:36 / 28.08.06
Slush, check out this link.
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
09:59 / 28.08.06
Arg... I've just had one of those moments.

Aged mother: "Oh, she reminds me of Miss Havisham."
Yours truly: "Miss Havisham? Who's that?"
Aged mother: "Famous jilted figure from Dickens. (etc.)"
Yours truly: "Ah, that reminds me of a poem I read once, it was good... can't remember what it was called, though. Damn, that's going to haunt me until I find out... what was the name, damnit?"

So I just looked it up, and it is, of course, Havisham, by Carol Ann Duffy.
 
 
Peek
16:04 / 02.09.06
The Dark is Rising sequence seem to be the sort of books that everyone's read and nobody's ever heard of... if you see what I mean. I loved them.

And now, a query... My memories of this are terribly vague so forgive the lack of clues. I don't even know if it was a short story, or perhaps the first chapter of a longer tale?

A story about a young ?Chinese ?Asian girl, who is discovered as a ?priestess/?princess because "the Gods talk to her". They make her do things like walk in a certain way, count things, do rituals - which become increasingly exhausting.

The story is describing OCD, basically, but I don't remember if that's ever made explicit or whether it just dawns on the reader as they go along...

For some reason I have a flavour of Jack Chalker in the back of my head when describing this but I have no idea if it's something of his. Have searched fruitlessly on the web for any clues, so any ideas would be very welcome! It's been bugging me for years.
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
18:23 / 02.09.06
Peek, you swine! I remember something like that, too, but I'm afraid I can't think where, and now I'm lost too.

(edit) For some reason I keep imagining either Roald Dahl or Brian Aldiss, but it's most likely been from some compilation. Or Clarke, p'raps?
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
01:12 / 03.09.06
There's an Orson Scott Card book with exactly that conceit in it, I think it's Xenocide. The lady in question follows the grain of wooden planks in the floor with her eye, as her OCD/ritual thing?
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
08:16 / 03.09.06
Ooh, that would make sense, I've read Xenocide. Thankyou!
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:05 / 03.09.06
I read a book when I was a kid. A girl, orphan, goes to live in a fosterer's house. There's two weird talking dolls, talking only to her, in the attic, man and woman. The whole thing seemed very strange to me. I remember she had a tortoise that died, she squeezed it and wet came out.

Anyone recognise?
 
 
Peek
20:31 / 03.09.06
RFR: What Kay said. I've definitely read Xenocide, and some time ago... (scuttles off to the bookcase) Thank you! Thank you! (in advance)
 
 
jebni
08:35 / 13.09.06
I'm tickled by the memory of a '70s children's science fiction novelette involving a guy called Captain Estrada and his crew, who travel to another galaxy to eventually meet humanoid aliens with lion's heads. I'm sure it was utter tosh, but the illustrations were fun -- lots of medallion-man heroics involving beards and flares. I'm actually more interested in who the illustrator was than anything else.
 
 
Feverfew
20:09 / 13.09.06
Just quickly...

... I read a book in my mid-teens with a cow on the front, and an exploding same cow on the back (or maybe the other way round) which I seem to think was something to vaguely do with the End Of The World.

Other than the cover I can't think what it was and now it's bothering me, like a mental itch.

Any help appreciated!
 
 
nixwilliams
22:23 / 13.09.06
wow, this thread is made of awesome! (and i love the dark is rising series!)

ok, i read this kids' novel years ago, and all i can remember is that there was a boy who lived with/visited a fox/badger, and at one point he was very hungry and ate raw eggs. i can remember thinking that raw egg might be nice to eat after the description of the still-warm yolk... um, my guess is that at the end the animal dies or its home is destroyed or something. and there might be the word "hill" or "farm" in the title. i had a paperback version with very 70s-kids-book cover art.
 
 
MintyFresh
20:15 / 14.09.06
I read this book as I kid, and I've been trying to find it and force my little sister to read it.
It was about rabbits and other animals who live on a farm that has recently been bought by a family and the animals are worried that the people will try to get rid of them. Or something. One of the young rabbits is sent away to find something; I think he has to get it from a badger that lives far away. One part I disctinctly remember is when the rabbit jumps over a large creek that no one has ever been able to jump before. Oh, and the daddy bunny talks constantly about bluegrass, and wonders whether the new family will plant any. In the end, the animals accept the new people and everyone lives happily ever after. I don't know of any bunny-centric books other than Watership Down, and that's not it. Any ideas?
 
  

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