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Is this decade the worst for music ?

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33

18:45 / 31.07.06

33 You say you don't have broadband at the moment. Which obviously sucks. What about a local library? They might be able to get you some of these relatively inexpensively.

*** I dont any local libraries here and cant walk far right now

If you ask nicely, some people on here might even be willing to do you CDs of brand new newnessso you can see what you're missing out on.

*** What do I look like a beggar ?

ERASURE? don't tell anyone, but... they are... homos! oooooooooh! %

Are you reading this everyone do you realise what he just did ??

Yes. It's called 'an impression of you', specifically from that fashion thread.

*** Really , is it ok if i say bad words too that remind me of other people that said them ?

arrr

18:54 / 31.07.06

You see, what 33 is asking for here is music that will make him harder than his mates, don't you see? Something that will really piss off his mom and make his roommate leave the apartment.

So, 33, here's what you do. Get a drill or an angle-grinder or a reciprocating saw and put it to a chunk of iron or masonry. Record the result and burn it to cd. Play this at 120db with the speakers pointing directly at your head, preferably about 3" away from your skull. There. Now you're hard, amigo.

Joking aside, you might look into some Noise bands - do a search, we've had discussions on them before, there's lots of them out there, they're good, and they've largely come to maturity in this decade.

P.S. - You aren't Rage, are you?

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

18:58 / 31.07.06

*** Thats it ?

You try too hard

C'mon, you're just sore 'cause I used my psychic powers to delve into your past.

Nah, I kid. I didn't have to use my psychic powers. I meet people suffering from the same lack of authority all the time these days.

33

19:16 / 31.07.06

dissonance..

thats is what 33 looks for

19:21 / 31.07.06

OK, lets' cut through this. The question is, 33, what was the point of starting this thread?

Was it:
a) to vent;
b) to bring to our attention something you thought we were missing;
c) to seek agreement with your views;
d) to get suggestions from people of music you might like?
e) something else.

If it was a) then fair enough, but what you vented had racist overtones, just as the fashion thread had homophobic ones.
If it was b) we already know know a large chunk of pop music is shabby which is why there are thousands of threads discussing the good stuff right here, pop or otherwise.
If it was c) that's seldom a reason to start a thread outside Conversation, and if you want to use this board have to accept that the usual form is for everyone to disagree because we are all very different.
If it was d) there have been a shedload of suggestions, so it has served its purpose.

Is there an e)? If so, we'd like to know what it is.

And would you mind visiting Policy, please? Lots of people are talking about you there.

19:23 / 31.07.06

Then it will be a Merry Christmas for you this year.

19:25 / 31.07.06

That last being a respones to

dissonance..

thats is what 33 looks for

Phex: Dorset Doom

19:30 / 31.07.06

I dont (have? know of?) any local libraries here and cant walk far right now...What do I look like a beggar ?

33- please understand, it's childish posts like this that are drawing people's ire. That, and the fact you are actively resisting having your assumptions challenged, clinging to opinions as if you will somehow be less of a man if you were just to say 'well, I guess my assumptions were incorrect, I'll take your* advice and try to expose myself to new music' when in fact the complete opposite is true.
Has this thread gone the way you planned? What exactly were you hoping to achieve? 5581 variations on 'yes, I agree' with not a single dissenting voice?

*By which I don't just mean me, although I put together what I think is a nice little list of bands (including Interpol, who you've said you like) there are plenty of other suggestions in this thread.

Phex: Dorset Doom

19:34 / 31.07.06

Sorry, cross-posted with Cube there.

Also:
dissonance..

thats is what 33 looks for

Ah, the third person, the sure-firest way to get people to take you seriously since drawing an Anarchy-A on your pencil case.

22:01 / 31.07.06

Reality shows to create groups / singers..
Covers of Covers that were already being covered..
No rock , punk , industiral , synth of note
No new trends or significant movements
My own subjective observations ..
what do you think ?
33

what do i think?
i think you have no idea about music as i understand it, and have therefore no authority whatsoever to tell me about the state of music.

as wholly subjective observations these few statements tell us very little about the music. they do tell us a fair bit about the observational bias of the subject posting them.
as such, they make it possible to determine something of your character.

tell me what you think these statements say about you.

33

01:04 / 01.08.06

Then it will be a Merry Christmas for you this year.

** thanks man i dont know if its " me " but i appreciate the nudge toto

33

01:13 / 01.08.06

You all are missing the point. The answer is: No, you're quite right. Today's music is rotten.

Done!

** yes I agree so far ..

i wasted 40 mins downloading some song i heard raves about from some swedish nin wannabees ( the knife or something ) .. and aside from the rip of aphex twins vid the whole ting just epitomised the desperate sad deluded state poeple are in..

to think that its even worth fart space

OH and for all you who dont believe me about the delusional epidemic growing today you should check out a survey conducted recently in uk where a good 70 / 80 % teens EXPECT to be famous..

sheeeshh

Maybe toto or tiktok toksuck should take her grand inquistion there eh ?

lotsa

01:44 / 01.08.06

some swedish nin wannabees ( the knife or something )

... I have no response to that. I'm speechless.

03:32 / 01.08.06

Actually, having meditated on it for a while, I do have a response.

You can't compare The Knife to NIN beyond the superficial fact that both bands incorporate synthesizers, not with any real accuracy. Beyond that, you can't really expect the Industrial scene of the 80's to still exist - it became the Industrial of the 90's, which inturn became EBM and SynthPop and Electroclash and a whole mess of other musics.

The music you're so desperate for, the Skinny Puppy, Frontline Assembly don't exist today outside of your memory. Their zeitgeist has left the building. Al Jourgensen and Ogre released a great synthpop under the non-du-guerre OhGr. It's fucking great, but it's not Skinny Puppy.

Having said that, there is a ton of good stuff out now that stands on its own merit so long as you don't view it through the prism of What Has Gone Before. The Knife is a great example of this. I love Nine Inch Nails and Skinny Puppy and Throbbing Gristle and etc. etc. I also really enjoyed the two The Knife albums I've heard. The two musics aren't mutually exclusive, and while I'm sure that The Knife has been influenced in some small way by NIN, calling them "wannabes" is completely missing what The Knife actually is.

I'm not saying you have to like The Knife, or any of the other bands that Barbelith has suggested to you, but I can guarantee you that if the best you can do by way of criticism is call them "NIN wannabes," you're not going to be met with the most civil of responses.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

06:01 / 01.08.06

33 What do I look like a beggar?

Oh I'm so sorry. I'd mistaken you for someone with zero access to new music who might appreciate a friendly gesture by others to help you out. It had somehow slipped my mind that you are a cock. Don't worry, I won't offend you by suggesting ways to help again. From now on it'll just be straight forward ridicule.

OH and for all you who dont believe me about the delusional epidemic growing today you should check out a survey conducted recently in uk where a good 70 / 80 % teens EXPECT to be famous.

Which has precisely what relevence to anything? It doesn't mean that that 70 or 80% are going to do ANYTHING to make themselves famous or not get boring jobs like the rest of us. So how does this tie in to your dribblingly insane 'no good music any more' theory?

07:02 / 01.08.06

I come across loads of great music that I find really exciting just by going to a hell of alot of gigs. Granted, I have to sit through alot of crap, but the gems always, always make it worthwhile (and yes, the musicians and their instruments are real). Most of these gigs are free and some of these bands are kind enough to give me copies of their cd.

I'd say this is possibly one of the best decades for music yet - it's just that the charts are appalling. And all that amazing music from the past is at our finger tips whenever we want it.

09:30 / 01.08.06

How in the name of God have we allowed this trash to go on for three pages? When it comes to opinions on music, 33 is the worst kind of scum, the twerp who says all music is crap past about 1993 but hasn't actually demonstrated any knowledge of music post 1993. There is nothing to engage with here! And that's not even touching the casual misogyny and racism. I move to add some links to similar threads and then lock this thoughtless nonsense. 33 has shown he can't be spoken to without acting like a moron so let's put him on the sliding scale to the boot while we're at it. All in favour?

Our Lady Has Left the Building

09:50 / 01.08.06

I was going to suggest that music mods boot this to conversation because it has as much to do with music as 33's last thread had to do with fashion...

Regrettable Juvenilia

10:04 / 01.08.06

Some previous, related threads, some of which are themselves quite confused and painful:

Myspace or, is pop now eating itself?

The Decline of Music Appreciation

The rise and rise of nothing

Bland Music, Bland Government

Note: 33, this should not be taken as an invitation to post to any of these unless you have anything to add.

Phex: Dorset Doom

10:23 / 01.08.06

Ah Flyboy, you always cheer me up. '33 might have something to add'- classic!

33

11:19 / 01.08.06

you know there is a problem here that makes communication very akward based on how people define things..

For the most part folk today exaggarate

I will give you an example the word LOVE being used to to express how much someone likes something or reflect how important it is to them in various guises.

I say I love you
But I also love burgerS

does that mean I love you as much as a burger ?

Where do you draw the line ?

You see everyone changes that line to fit their own self importance oR delusions..

The notion that the fact todays music might not be so good might as well be direct insult on some folk themselves given how much it reflects on them .

You can see that here in the form of rationlisations and choices words like lots , great etc etc

Even if I had 0 music knowledge which some folk are arguing
as the reason for my faults does it really mean I cant appreciate music ?

And this from some woman too calling my ban amongst other things while supporting justin timberlake ?

Not to judge but at least some of my tastes are iconic in the sense they actually were original and stood the test of time , not something that just happens to be eyecandy for the most part for little girls who remember him from the Disney club..

I will also note that not all my tastes are old and in fact Trash80 is an example one group that is not,admittedly it is one and I havent as with most groups liked all their songs but there are a few that are ok.

No I am not comparing them to anything either ther last thing I want in PHM pt 2 thats stupid , but I would like to hear something that takes me out of my point of reference the same way it did at the time ..

So far I only know one way to achieve it.

arrr

11:24 / 01.08.06

33;

If you're quoting somebody else, please prefix the line with and finish it with . The fact that you're not doing this at the moment means your contributions are quite difficult to read.

As a fan of Duran Duran, The Cure, Fergal Sharkey and Falco, I'd have thought there's a lot out there for you these days - has your heart not been moved at all by, say, the music of The Killers? Or their enemies, The Bravery?

(This is all a big joke to you, isn't it?)

33

11:29 / 01.08.06

How in the name of God have we allowed this trash to go on for three pages? When it comes to opinions on music, 33 is the worst kind of scum, the twerp who says all music is crap

- wanker - good choice of name by the way

The notion that the fact todays music might not be so good might as well be direct insult on some folk themselves given how much it reflects on them .

need i say more ?

And you call me discriminating for what?

Because i have an opnion and one that isnt agreeable to you , to the point it makes you angry ?

Why ?

If your musics so good today are you getting like that ,
why care what an idiot like me thinks unless of course the reality is there is some element of truth ?

Who said I have to follow your train of thought or mental masturbautions just to reasons out something i instictively dislike as something acceptable so everyone else is happy and poltically correct..

I'm sorry but if you cant handle an idiots opnion like mine then the last laugh is on you

try again

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:40 / 01.08.06

And this from some woman too calling my ban amongst other things while supporting justin timberlake ?

Not to judge but at least some of my tastes are iconic in the sense they actually were original and stood the test of time , not something that just happens to be eyecandy for the most part for little girls who remember him from the Disney club..

Before this thread is locked, it may be worth noting that this gives the lie to 33's attempt, here, to dodge the issue of whether he believes it is somehow demeaning (unmanly, perhaps) to listen to the same music as his mother and sister. It seems fairly evident to me that 33 believes that a man shouldn't like music that women, especially young women, enjoy.

33

11:49 / 01.08.06

Before this thread is locked, it may be worth noting that this gives the lie to 33's attempt, here, to dodge the issue of whether he believes it is somehow demeaning (unmanly, perhaps) to listen to the same music as his mother and sister. It seems fairly evident to me that 33 believes that a man shouldn't like music that women, especially young women, enjoy.

I am not dodging anything

if you had 80 or so replies that asked you questions - each for the most part demanding personalised answers , would you sit and reply to them all ?

I think your assumptions of dodging and selective replies needs reassesment furthermore I unless you specifically hear may say something I also suggest that your ideas of what you think I am implying need looking over to.

Your welcome to say what you think but realise that just because you think or through your own inventory youve come to that conclusion is does not mean your right.

As far as your last theory goes you are very wrong.

I dont care who else listens to it for the most part as long as it does something for me..

Its nicer if its not so established or popular but thats only because it makes it feel more sincere to me.

ARRR

Phex: Dorset Doom

12:06 / 01.08.06

33- For somebody without a broadband connection you sure spend a lot of time on the internet. Your mum's going to flip when she sees the phone bill.
Once again, since you seem to be avoiding this question: since you believe that any suggestions made by members of this board are de facto wrong why start this thread? This is a forum for discussion, so why post anything if you don't want to discuss?

Cube offers five options above:

a) to vent;
b) to bring to our attention something you thought we were missing;
c) to seek agreement with your views;
d) to get suggestions from people of music you might like? As I have said, this is clearly not the case
e) something else.

So which is it?

paranoidwriter waves hello

12:11 / 01.08.06

33, while I understand how difficult it is to attempt to reply to everyone in-thread, doesn't it bother you that virtually every poster in this thread (not to mention the 'Extinct Clothing' thread, or the 'What exactly does get you Banned...' thread) seems to dislike almost everything you've said on Barbelith?

Have you considered for a second that the problem here might possibly be down to you rather than others? I mean, have you stopped and taken a good hard look at what you and others are saying, rather than jumping to the defensive and thinking "these guys are all bullies/idiots/lightweights/etc"?

Are you used to having your assumptions/language/beliefs/etc challenged?

12:17 / 01.08.06

Hey, 33, can you try that again? I've tried and tried but I can barely make sense of what you just posted. It reads like one of them avant-garde poetry spam e-mails that I always get. I do not understand what you said.

Also, Fly, what's wrong with not liking the music that your mother and sister listen to? It seems fairly evident to me that 33 believes that a man shouldn't like music that women, especially young women, enjoy. I don't mean to defend a pariah here, but I disagree with you on that point.

It seems fairly evident to me that you don't like 33 and will use just about anything to put him down right now, which seems a bit pointless to me (but hey, at least I can understand what you mean). For example, lets say that 33 is 25 years old (although judging from his writing I'm inclined to drop that a decade, but I digress). His mother might be 20 years or more older, his sister perhaps 10 years younger. It's not inconceivable to me that there would be a gap in tastes not just because of sexes but also ages. My mother listens to lots of very MOR music, hates dissonance and feedback and singers that can't quite sing (conventionally) well. While we do have some crossover (I just got her into Cat Power for instance), we just don't really dig any of the music each other likes. This is not misogyny, if anything it's age-ism, but really it's just different strokes for different folks.

It's fairly obvious that 33 has difficulties in expressing why ze doesn't like certain music, can't we just mock his lack of erudition instead of reading -isms into poorly constructed sentences where the meaning is barely clear, let alone extracting the hidden meanings too.

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