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Regrettable Juvenilia
00:05 / 31.07.06
Jackie, this track is pretty great, I think, but unfortunately apparently it's only on the Japanese version of the album as a bonus track. I agree that lately the man has let the side down.
 
 
Jackie Susann
01:13 / 31.07.06
I can't believe something good came of this thread.

Maybe the mods could change the name from Is this decade the worst for music? to Pharrell's actually good recent song, and then delete all the posts except that last one? I am sure it would be for the best.
 
 
Jackie Susann
01:30 / 31.07.06
But that's gotta be Malice ghostwriting, right?
 
 
33
02:48 / 31.07.06
First up, 33, you bold other people's quotes and do not bold your responses. You're getting it the wrong way round, which is making you more than necessarily incomprehensible.

** fair enough my apologies

Otherwise... would I be right in thinking that Nine Inch Nails and Smashing Pumpkins were popular when you were in your late teens? Only, music + teenaged devotion often = THE BEST MUSIC EVAR!

** Probably but I never heard them till my twenties
i dont know about the best music ever - that might go to apoptygmabezerk after an " experince "


Otherwise, I'd follow the advice above. Fluxblog links to huge numbers of music blogs, which have downloadable or playable tracks. Or you could get a last.fm account and tell it you wanted to listen to songs by artists that it thinks is like Nine Inch Nails or Smashing Pumpkins. Alternatively, you could just listen to Nine Inch Nails and Smashing Pumpkins. There's no law against it, and it might make you happier if listening to new music just upsets you.

** Thanks if by some chance I dont become homeless and finally conclude this unfortunate existence I will do that


Incidentally, you may be surprised to learn that music by black people was quite big in the 80s and 90s as well. I don't know if you've heard of Michael Jackson, but he was doing quite well back then.

** With music or kids ?

arrr
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:45 / 31.07.06
33 Thanks if by some chance I dont become homeless and finally conclude this unfortunate existence I will do that.

Oh, the genre you'll be wanting is 'emo' then.
 
 
Mistoffelees
06:11 / 31.07.06
Why do you want my post to be deleted, Jackie?
 
 
Jackie Susann
06:39 / 31.07.06
Its totally off-topic, you didn't even mention Pharrell!
 
 
haus of fraser
10:05 / 31.07.06
Listen to our lady- i think a quick wikipedia search of Emo will help you out 33- kindof gothy music favoured by Teh Kidz these days- born out of pumkins an NIN.
Also have a look through this forum for music recomendations- download some fileshare software (limewire is free) and explore some new music.

I'm gonna post something i Said in a PM to someone a while back but i think its kindof relevent here:

On the fake thing i just don't think its a term that should be used regarding music- its not very constructive and as big brother proves it doesn't mean very much- except its a little bit offensive. There may be a whole thread on the reasons why the term is pretty useless when describing a person/ band etc. As a matter of course we change and adapt to situations as people. By using the term fake you are dismissing these changes. Ever had a new or different haircut- realised that you like a new type of music- even pop bands that don't write their own songs aren't fake- they're a product- like a west end musical, or soap opera- the people doing these things WANT to do them- how on earth can this be fake?

One of the big problems with discussions on music is the mythology that surrounds music/ bands and personal investment we all have in "our" music- journalists and press officers are pretty good at making the biggest bunch of loosers look cool. Your arguements are based on assumption rather than fact.

There is nothing more frustrating than hearing someone harp on about shit music when there is soo much great stuff out there- you just need to look- IMHO last year was one of the best years EVA for new music I've loved all the new Canadian / American indie bands that have been hitting these shores- some quick recomends:
Broken Social Scene (Canadian collective with 5 guitarists different singers, brass, violins etc- beautiful and very noisey live),
TV on the Radio (their album Return to Cookie Mountain is shaping up to be one of my faves this year- mixes beats with new wave guitars super catchy hooks- Wolf Like me is an amazing track)
Sufjan Stevens (His Illinoise album was one of the greatest things out last year- strings, horns and beautiful tunes- check out Chicago to get an idea...)
The Arcade Fire (if you missed this lot then you're missing out- Funeral is IMHO THE best album of the decade so far and repeated listenings/ exposure only make me love it even more- imagine Talking Heads with Bjork on backing vocals and a multitude of instruments from standard rock guitars, but backed with strings, xylophones and trumpets- bloody brilliant.)
The Knife (You want weird catchy electro check out both albums by the Knife and learn the original and best version of Heartbeats on the Deep Cuts album- or scare yourself with their much darker new album silent shout)

There is a million new bands to discover- if your not listening out for stuff how on earth can you complain?

33 your clearly not aware of movements in musical tastes, or record sales- currently the charts aren't really dominated by the type of music you think it is- Certainly british pop has been in decline for teh last few years and its more a mix of yer AOR of James Blunt/ Sandi Thoms- middle of the road Indie rockers- Kasabian, Razorlight, Snow Patrol and Kooks and then American hip hop/ RnB- certainly there is no one style dominating everything- The x-factor/ Pop idol / Pete Waterman Louis Walsh stuff is largely in retreat and has certainly seen better days.

I don't know why i'd even worry about the charts anyway- when did NIN or Smashing Pumpkins ever cruise up the charts- even in the heady days of punk the charts were more about Shawaddy waddy or Bay City Rollers than the Clash or The Ramones.

On a further note anyone that dismisses music on the grounds of race is clearly very very misguided. You should listen to a few of the things people are saying on here 33 cos its your sounding like an ignorant fool. Having been through the vetting proccess to get onto Barbelith I want to believe that you posses a shred of intelligence although i fear i'm about to be proved wrong

To use a phrase my mother used to say "Your cutting off your nose to spite your face"- Go on 33 get a Prince album (big influnce on Pumpkins stuff like Beautiful on Melon Collie...) or The Gnarls Barkley album, why not get a seminal record like Fear of a Black Planet or just listen to the Best of Sly & The Family stone- You may not like it all but there may be something there that'll make you sound a bit less like a tit when posting.
 
 
■
10:14 / 31.07.06
Fear of a Black Planet

Better yet, Apocalypse 91, which has a certain track featuring people with guitars (Anthrax) you might like.
 
 
chaated
10:32 / 31.07.06
33 -
What bands do you like?
You seem to know what you don't like and you seem to be able to say bad things about bands that have been named. Who do you think is good?
 
 
Jackie Susann
10:41 / 31.07.06
It's funny, where I come from, if someone says something along the lines of 'black people are the problem', you do one of four things. Depending on the context, you either hit them, make fun of them, explain to them why what they just said could be considered offensive, or walk away and stop engaging with them. But you certainly don't carry on helpfully pointing out records they might like! I am really having one of those Mugatu, I-feel-like-I'm-taking-crazy-pills moments.
 
 
matthew.
11:36 / 31.07.06
Are we not allowed then to try and engage with 33, then, Jackie? So with a stupid comment, we completely shut him down? I think that's rather unfair. People are being surprisingly mature in trying to engage with 33, as opposed to usually, when as soon as someone makes a mistake, 22 pages of OMG BAN HIM!!!111!! appear.

I think we should try and keep the thread on topic, or lock the shit out of it. Either way, let's keep this discussion to the relevant thread (in Policy).
 
 
Jackie Susann
11:45 / 31.07.06
I tried to keep it on topic but nobody will talk about Pharrell with me!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:46 / 31.07.06
Of course you're "allowed", and Jackie hasn't suggested otherwise.
 
 
33
11:50 / 31.07.06
*** But I have listened to ..... music and liked some Prince..
Prince is not of this decade though or even the last and from what i heard of his last song even he along with other acts I knew have really gone downhill..

Gnarls Barkely -that pathetic song " crazy " where he whines the same line over and over and over
thats an example of crap music that makes my blood run cold

Even the likes of East17 or Spicegirls where more catchy than that .

Do I really want to listen to the same stuff my little sister listens to or mother likes ?


33 -
What bands do you like?
You seem to know what you don't like and you seem to be able to say bad things about bands that have been named. Who do you think is good?

Of current bands or new nothing I've heard really .. i listened to interpol and some of this new stuff

I still like Ministry though their more metal now Aal still has intensity
Delerium - have some nice stuff same with Dead can Dance
Trash80 - Have some songs that were ok
Dead kennedys - prob my fav punk band though ramones have some ok stuff
deva premal - has very very nice voice
erasure - yeah i know that going to raise eyebrows
new order , the cure , duran duran - back in the day
system 7 , talk talk, skinny puppy, sisters of mercy , throbbing gristle, smiths, bowie

not much really .. I tend to listen to a lot of old one off hits here and there .. toto , pointer sisters ,falco ,fergal shalkey , 4 tops so on..

33
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:04 / 31.07.06
Do I really want to listen to the same stuff my little sister listens to or mother likes ?

Why would you not?
 
 
33
12:13 / 31.07.06
Do I really want to listen to the same stuff my little sister listens to or mother likes ?

Why would you not?

** your a cute one flyboy

I wouldnt like to listen to it because it feels wrong , shallow and insincere

and of course the fact i just hate the tune and lyrics..


33
 
 
Sniv
12:15 / 31.07.06
Do I have to get funny about people taking emo's name in vain here? Some of us like it y'know, and not because we're backpack wearin' crybabies (well, not all the time). I know (hope) it's tongue in cheek ribbing, but it's unnecessary and misleading and you're missing out on a ton of great bands if you disregard anything that could be emo. Emo is not a dirty word, please stop prejudging an entire genre. And the Pumpkins as well! It's fair enough if 33 is being incredibly stupid (as he is), but what's with the merciless attacking of the bands ze professes to like?

And, 33, chill. You're giving Pumpkins fans a bad name dude!

Back on-topic - 33, go to that first message Phex left, get yourself a copy of a bittorrent client go to isohunt and search for each and every one of the bands listed. you will have a good time. Alternatively, for less illegal shenanigans, get your wallet out, head to your nearest city with Phex's list and go spunk. you will have fun.

Bittorrent, MP3blogs, myspace!! Fuck the mainstream press, they think the Chilli's are a good band, find stuff by word ofmouth, that's a sure fire way of finding stuff that people love rather than tolerate.

Honestly, bemoaning the lack of good music today just shows your ignorance, lack of imagination and lack of friends).

Oh, and But I have listened to ..... music and liked some Prince..

were you dotdotdotting the word 'black' there? Why?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:34 / 31.07.06
Just for John: Hope is Emo.

33, any indication you're going to take any of the suggestions for action in this thread? You only seem to be engaging with the posts by people not actually suggesting ways for you to get out of your musical rut.
 
 
33
12:52 / 31.07.06
33, any indication you're going to take any of the suggestions for action in this thread? You only seem to be engaging with the posts by people not actually suggesting ways for you to get out of your musical rut.

** I dont have broadband or fast connection right now
and its not going to happen while I am here..

When or if things change it might but I am dubious about some of the suggetions given the obvious intent /curtailed remarks that come with it .

I know for one thing that exceptional or good by thinking is not something there is tons of so when i get some DUDE
coming on here and telling me theres loads of great stuff I smell BS , esp when they obviously have ill intent against me to start with.

33
 
 
Sniv
13:06 / 31.07.06
I know for one thing that exceptional or good by thinking is not something there is tons of so when i get some DUDE
coming on here and telling me theres loads of great stuff I smell BS , esp when they obviously have ill intent against me to start with.


That was pretty mangled, 33. Surely some DUDE telling you there's loads of great stuff [music? out there?] is a recommendation, not spouting bullshit? There really is great music about. Go away and find some.
 
 
Sniv
13:08 / 31.07.06
Oh, and that's it Flowers! I'm writing a nasty diary entry about you, with pics of eeevil Roman-Dirge-esque characters around it, poking you with shitty sticks. And then I'm going to cry and get a record deal with Jade Tree. That'll learn ya...
 
 
haus of fraser
13:21 / 31.07.06
Gnarls Barkely -that pathetic song " crazy " where he whines the same line over and over and over thats an example of crap music that makes my blood run cold

ahh well there is still someone out there that believes Gnarls Barkley is 'a man'.

the barbelith vetting system obviously isn't as great as i had hoped....
 
 
Sniv
13:36 / 31.07.06
Good idea, a compulsory contempory music quiz for all potential Barbelith joinees. If they get less than 40% right (or refer to hip-hop as 'ethnic' music), then they get no login...
 
 
haus of fraser
13:37 / 31.07.06
Exactly john
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:48 / 31.07.06
Personally, I'm worried that there's too much good music at the moment- my end of year top 5 is already full and it's only July!

(Incidentally, 33, check the sleeve notes on Pretty Hate Machine and see how much input the On-U Sound System, who aren't the whitest of collectives, had on that baby).
 
 
werwolf
14:07 / 31.07.06
[how can anyone listen to DEAD KENNEDYS and THROBBING GRISTLE and be... like that? that seems wrong on so many levels...]

anyway, this might be threadrot, but it seems to me that

a.) 33 is not going to find any "good" new music, no matter with what dedication he goes about the venture of searching out "good" new music, because 33 (imho) does not care where music is coming from or where it is going and therefore will not open his mind or ears to new things. which makes it quite impossible to appreciate new "good" bands, unless they are blandly regurgitatin that with which 33 is aquainted - which is again something that 33 does not want;

b.) you guys are being way, way, way, way too tolerant (again, imo). sure, try to help him, try to give him some advice, but if the guy is not even listening on the third rebound, well, in my book that's a clear case "goodbye, have a nice life.". then again i think i might personalize and try your method right now with

% c.): 33, yes, "they" did have synths and samplers "back then". some of "them" had a big hand in spurring on the development of such things, because "they" used many techniques that would be translated into synth and sampling hardware very soon... and then "they" were using those early samplers and synths in their music, you know? and let's not get started on sampling. (technically the first synth was made in the 50ies and then there was the moog in the 60ies...). fucking incredible what "they" did to your most preciously pure culture, innit? oh, and, er, ERASURE? don't tell anyone, but... they are... homos! oooooooooh! %

oh yeah, there's a d.), too. about BLACK FLAG. the band that did not have any impace at all, according to you, 33. it's funny how many bands refer to BLACK FLAG and their music and how their influence even surpassed their punk / hardcore punk world and entered into alternative rock and noise rock... % must've been a fluke. a weird coincidental thing of human evolution and nature or some such... even the namedropping in all those biographies and thanks lists in liner notes... probably just a very common typesetting mistake that makes certain words come out looking like "black flag"...%
 
 
33
16:42 / 31.07.06
[how can anyone listen to DEAD KENNEDYS and THROBBING GRISTLE and be... like that? that seems wrong on so many levels...]

**** Be like what ,think todays selection thus seen is below par ?

Compared to groups that were pioneers



anyway, this might be threadrot, but it seems to me that

a.) 33 is not going to find any "good" new music, no matter with what dedication he goes about the venture of searching out "good" new music, because 33 (imho) does not care where music is coming from or where it is going and therefore will not open his mind or ears to new things.

*** I never cared where my previous tastes came from or went before I enjoyed it ..

sorry thats pretty weak reasoning


which makes it quite impossible to appreciate new "good" bands, unless they are blandly regurgitatin that with which 33 is aquainted - which is again something that 33 does not want;

*** Really and my choice of deva premal compared to skinny puppy reflect that ?

again your argument is invalid

b.) you guys are being way, way, way, way too tolerant (again, imo). sure, try to help him, try to give him some advice, but if the guy is not even listening on the third rebound, well, in my book that's a clear case "goodbye, have a nice life.". then again i think i might personalize and try your method right now with

*** Would i still be here if i wasnt ?

% c.): 33, yes, "they" did have synths and samplers "back then".

some of "them" had a big hand in spurring on the development of such things, because "they" used many techniques that would be translated into synth and sampling hardware very soon... and then "they" were using those early samplers and synths in their music, you know?

*** Well I'm sure some " they " werent the only ones

and let's not get started on sampling. (technically the first synth was made in the 50ies and then there was the moog in the 60ies...). fucking incredible what "they" did to your most preciously pure culture, innit? oh, and, er, ERASURE? don't tell anyone, but... they are... homos! oooooooooh! %

**** Are you reading this everyone do you realise what he just did ??



oh yeah, there's a d.), too. about BLACK FLAG. the band that did not have any impace at all, according to you, 33. it's funny how many bands refer to BLACK FLAG and their music and how their influence even surpassed their punk / hardcore punk world and entered into alternative rock and noise rock... % must've been a fluke. a weird coincidental thing of human evolution and nature or some such... even the namedropping in all those biographies and thanks lists in liner notes... probably just a very common typesetting mistake that makes certain words come out looking like "black flag"...%

*** If you stopped wailing and howlin like a bairn maybe i would ,but no band i like ackowledges them and I never hear them mentioned in the same breath as a Thorbbing Grsitle..

Sorry Try Again..

arrrr
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
17:08 / 31.07.06
go to that first message Phex left, get yourself a copy of a bittorrent client go to isohunt and search for each and every one of the bands listed. you will have a good time. Alternatively, for less illegal shenanigans, get your wallet out, head to your nearest city with Phex's list and go spunk. you will have fun.

Ego...swelling...can't control it...

But slow down there, this isn't some kind of 'discussion' where we can voice our own 'opinions'. It's 33's world and we're just living in it man. We're the mean boys at school who wedgied him in gym class. That wasn't a list of bands he might like to try out: that was a big bucket of pig's blood and he's Carrie at the prom.
But he's hip to our tricks. Think he's mangling the English language and bringing down the level of discussion in this forum? No way duder, he understands communication isn't about expressing yourself in a mature fashion, getting words in the right order, having informed arguments or evolving your ideas even a tiny little bit: it's freedom man, freedom- and freedom means never giving an inch to smarty-pants word-fascists with their 'facts' and 'valid points'. They're probably those types anyway, you know the ones I mean, and if you think that's bigoted- think again! The ultra-cryptic hidden meaning is concealed behind layers upon layers of sophisticated wordplay, so it can't be ill-informed adolescent crap that has no place on this board or society at large.
Hey, this discussion board isn't a place or a time or a discussion board, it's an attitude man, and we ain't got it, in spades Jack.
  
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
17:09 / 31.07.06
Oh crap, forget to sign my post.

-phex.
 
 
33
17:18 / 31.07.06
But slow down there, this isn't some kind of 'discussion' where we can voice our own 'opinions'. It's 33's world and we're just living in it man. We're the mean boys at school who wedgied him in gym class. That wasn't a list of bands he might like to try out: that was a big bucket of pig's blood and he's Carrie at the prom.

*** If you say so

( rolls eyes )

Its amazing what you see when you gaze into a reflection of yourself

ho
ho
ho

arr
 
 
Crux Is This City's Protector.
17:39 / 31.07.06
You all are missing the point. The answer is: No, you're quite right. Today's music is rotten.

Done!
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
18:01 / 31.07.06
Its amazing what you see when you gaze into a reflection of yourself

True story: the second I read that, Pee Wee Herman shouted from my television screen "I know you are but what am I". I got chills.

Anyway. Are we still trying to show 33 that there is in fact tons and tons of great music that has been released within the last seven years? Because I've come to a realization: 33 lacks the capability to understand or appreciate music on its own terms.

My theory: I figure 33's musical tastes come from ideas implanted by friends back when 33 was but a teen, and without that musical authority to gauge what's good or cool and what is not, 33 simply cannot risk appreciating any current music. What if ze starts liking something and it turns out it's not cool? Or even worse, hir little sister likes the same band? Or what if it is, in fact, produced by black people? Wouldn't he look dumb then?

Obviously 33 can't trust us, because we're out to get hir (never mind the fact that 33 started a thread, taking up precious bandwidth, to ask us about this "problem" of there only being crap music around these days). We're waiting in the shadows to catch 33 with hir pants down. My only question: what happened to 33's musical authority? Did it or they graduate high school and go off to college? Did it or they ditch 33 because ze accidentally liked a band that uses keyboards?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:30 / 31.07.06
33 You say you don't have broadband at the moment. Which obviously sucks. What about a local library? They might be able to get you some of these relatively inexpensively.

If you ask nicely, some people on here might even be willing to do you CDs of brand new newnessso you can see what you're missing out on.

ERASURE? don't tell anyone, but... they are... homos! oooooooooh! %

Are you reading this everyone do you realise what he just did ??

Yes. It's called 'an impression of you', specifically from that fashion thread.
 
 
33
18:35 / 31.07.06
My theory: I figure 33's musical tastes come from ideas implanted by friends back when 33 was but a teen, and without that musical authority to gauge what's good or cool and what is not, 33 simply cannot risk appreciating any current music. What if ze starts liking something and it turns out it's not cool? Or even worse, hir little sister likes the same band? Or what if it is, in fact, produced by black people? Wouldn't he look dumb then?

*** Thats it ?

You try to hard

33
 
  

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