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foolish fat finger
22:24 / 07.07.06
I am interested in others opinions and thoughts about the Atlantis Commune, an independent community set up in Ireland in the late '70's, to explore primal therapy and emotional release...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:38 / 07.07.06
I'm interested in your opinion, FFF - I'm afraid I haven't got much of interest to say, but I'd be very grateful if you could tell me a bit more aboout the Commune, its aims and how successful you think it has been in achieving them.
 
 
foolish fat finger
21:43 / 08.07.06
my own feelings are partly that it was an interesting experiment- I admire the D.I.Y. nature of their attempt to heal... I guess I also see them as having been a victim of their own success somehow. I read their book, 'we are the screamers', and it seems that their fame in Ireland brought an awful lot of problems straight to their door...

too brazen, maybe?

I am quite surprised that the best link I can find for you is this one, an extremely biased account, from 1988...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:19 / 08.07.06
Sounds interesting, but for those of us who haven't read the book, care to tell us a bit more, given that, book aside, we've got that link to go on?

That's not sarcasm, by the way... it genuinely DOES sound interesting, but for those of us who etc.
 
 
foolish fat finger
23:25 / 08.07.06
ok, stoatie... it's a long tale, so I'll be back with whatever links I can find within the next few days (given that there appears to be a huge dearth of net info...)
 
 
foolish fat finger
21:01 / 09.07.06
Jenny James has written quite a few books... 'we are the screamers' covers the peroid of setting up the commune and the first few years...

in her words
It's September 1979. I found this place in September 1974. I was looking for a country retreat, a place to hide away with my small tribe and rest from years of running an open-house anti-psychiatry centre in London; a house of our own where we couldn't be harrassed by jealous landlords. A large house we wanted, tucked away in the wilds of the Irish countryside, away from the mainstream of life, without neighbours; an anonymous sort of a place where we could do our thing without being disturbed: grow our food, bring our kids up without schools, walk naked in our gardens, carry on with our own development through therapy; perhaps offer therapeutic help quietly and privately to a select few who would not live with us.

Five years, three television programmes, three books and umpteen dozen newspaper reports later, Atlantis is famous throughout Ireland. 'The Screamers' they call us. And I'm supposed to sit here and tell you how it happened. What happened to my quiet private little nudist colony? How did we end up the most feared and famed growth centre, enlightenment centre, energy centre this side of the Atlantic? How did a bunch of atheists end up contacting extraordinary psychic abilities?.... (she goes on in this vein for several more sentences, but u get the point...)


potted history, from memory- may contains nuts, sorry, I mean slight inaccuracies. In 1974, inspired by the book, "the Primal Scream", but disillusioned with the amount it would cost to fly over there and fund therapy, Jenny James bought an old farmhouse in northern ireland, and moved their with a handful of friends, to do their own therapy.

the sessions were based on total honesty, no bullshit at all allowed. this gradually became more and more abusive, with members of the house (who were constantly leaving and being replaced by others) being exposed to ever more abusive situations, ostensibly as a trigger to help them get in touch with anger or grief. screaming at people to break them down was common. (a friend of a friend stayed there, and was apparantly awoken one night by someone pouring cold water over his head, as part of the 'therapy')

the situation rubbed up the troubled north of Ireland the wrong way, as Jenny James was given to make pronouncements on the troubles... and there were many campaigns to evict them... and so on...

the latest news I read was that an elite group of them moved out to somewhere in South America, to a war-torn rebel zone, to start a new community. when two of the commune's teenagers were shot dead by rebel fighters, the commune started an international online campaign to get the rebel killers brought to justice... that was around 2002...

I think it's interesting, how they really went for it, and it managed to fuck-up in such a spectacular way...
 
 
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22:07 / 09.07.06
Sounds a wee bit like Zendik Farm in North Carolina, although so far as I can tell Zendik has been going since 1969 without a history of escalating abusiveness such as you've described. I was there for about three weeks, which isn't a long enough time to have real insight, but I was able to get the flavor of it. Nice people; serious about making a community they see as healthier and more authentic; doing good things; not for me.
 
 
foolish fat finger
10:15 / 10.07.06
thanks for the link, Id. Slowly reading through it... I guess there are a few communities worldwide like this, that are working well and quietly getting on with it. The Findhorn Foundation in Scotland springs to mind, which is a new age progressive community...

I find Atlantis an interesting example because it has been like a 3 decade long, pan-continental car-crash.

I knew a guy who was in a similar community, in London. a group of people rented a house, and just stuck mattresses up against the wall to smash against, they were into Primal Screaming and nihilism. then drugs crept in... and the scene became incredibly fucked-up . the guy, 'P' was a really fascinating man. He had incredible charisma, and also the largest ego of anyone I ever met...

perhaps the thread title could be expanded to include other communities, as no-one seems to have heard of Atlantis (which surprised me!) I am interested in therapeutic and new-age communities that kind of went off the rails, or in personal experiences of a positive community.

suggestion for new title- Therapeutic and alternative communities
summary- a discussion of positive and negative experiences and ideas...
 
 
Future Perfect
15:02 / 19.07.06
FFF, this might be of interest.

Series of documentaries on BBC4 called Lefties looking, predicatbly, at the left in the 70s and 80s. The first episode, which I saw, had some stuff about the screamers who'd set up in a squat in the famous Villa Road. think there are clips on the BBC site but you might be able to torrent the whole documentary down.

If I remember correctly it sounded as if the Villa Road screamers had definite links with the Atlantis Commune.
 
 
illmatic
11:12 / 20.07.06
I can't believe I missed that programme, I love stuff like that. Must learn how the use the internet properly to get a copy The link actually contains a 1977 interview with Jenny James. The Independent on Sunday ran a big interview piece with her a couple of years ago in the wake of her being forced to leave Columbia, after the murder of two memebers of her commune. She was pained as someone who was very uncompromising, and had never given up her 60s vision.
 
  
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