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Shiny: Well Over Thirty
15:24 / 26.06.06
Battlefield is also perhaps notable for including probably the strongest showing ever from the (retired) Brigadier. The'Try Me' moment is just absolute perfection and his near failure to live on to die in bed is also a great scene.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:26 / 26.06.06
Meh, Battlefield I can leave to be honest, although we know that the Doctor isn't going to be dying any time ever, to tacitly admit that at some point in the future he will be Merlin takes any danger and tension out of his activities now. The script is fairly good, Morgana's mind games with Ace and the Chinese girl in their chalk circle is chilling, though the bit where the Doctor talks Morgana down from setting off a nuclear explosion is a bit cheezy. The real problem they have is that the last season of Who had a smaller budget than one episode of Red Dwarf V, being made at roughly the same time, and it shows.

As I said in the other thread about the Cybermen, I always liked the first Cybermen who looked like they'd cybered up that morning, who just opened their mouths and speech came out.

The first adventure of the Second Doctor where he not only has to convince a colony that the Daleks they've found are evil, but also his companions that he is the Doctor. And The Mind Robber, where they land in a fictional place, with Gulliver, Rapunzel and wind-up tin soldiers. When the actor playing Jamie gets the mumps they simply make the Doctor have to fill out a photofit of his face and get it wrong, so they can bring in a different actor to cover for a while. Brilliant stuff.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
17:54 / 26.06.06
I grew up on the second half of Tom Baker and the first half of Davison, and to be honest I (as a 11- or 12-year-old) preferred Davison.

My exposure to SF to that point had been mainly comics, and Davison had a nice sense of danger to him... Baker just seemed like he'd breeze through things and make flippant remarks and everything would tumble into place. Davison, on the other hand, seemed to have a hard-luck sort of cheerfulness that I liked. He reminded me of Peter Parker...very put-upon, very human, and struggling to succeed. Hey, I was 12.

Then Colin Baker came along and I gave up on the show because he was just too damn daffy.

I really have to check out McCoy. Sounds like I missed the stuff I would have liked the most.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
18:09 / 26.06.06
The next DVD box set to come out should please you, it's the 'Return of the Master' and will feature the last two Tom Baker stories Keeper of Traken and Logopolis and Peter Davison's first, Castrovalva.

In his last season, Tom Baker's Doctor was put through the ringer, his flippant behavior seemingly dulled, the many colors of his scarf transformed into a monochrome wine-like hue. His longtime companion Romana left him to fight for justice in another dimension along with his pet robot dog. Saddled with the 'boy genius' Adric and two other youngsters Tegan and Nyssa, his final adventure pitted him against his mortal foe the Master who had devised his most insane ploy yet, to hold the universe by the throat using the CVE. Throughout his last adventure, the fourth Doctor is haunted by visions of a white ghostlike figure that brings portends of his future. On the set, it is rumored that Tom Baker left silently and openly refused to be involved in the show's 20th anniversary special saying 'I am THE Doctor, not A Doctor,' a statement he later regretted... not as much as he regretted being involved in the 30th Anniversary debacle, I'm sure.

Baker's departure paved the way for perhaps the most dramatic change in the show since the first regeneration as 29 year old Peter Davison (best known at the time for his portrayal of Tristam in All Creatures Great and Small) entered Tom Baker's shoes only to shed them for a more comfortable pair of sneekers. The youngest actor to play the part, Peter Davison's era had a harder edge of science fiction with the Doctor being far more vulnerable and human compared to the godlike vaudevillian antics of his predecessor Tom Baker.

I look forward to the extras including an indepth view of Tom Baker's last year and the reaction to Peter Davison on the press as well as Peter's reaction to being the fifth incarnation of the national institution that is Doctor Who.

... not sure where all that came from but I hope it's useful and at least gets you excited for the DVDs.
 
 
■
07:41 / 27.06.06
Just saw the War Machines last night, and it was much better than I expected. there were some glaring problems (the stairs thing, again) but the acting was great and it was the first time I'd seen Hartnell appear to be enjoying himself - mainly, I suspect becuse he didn't have much to do but pontificate. I would definitely recommend it. A bit silly, but quite short and sweet.
Unlike the lumbering Monster of Peladon, which I enjoyed, but had far too much of the back-and-forth factional politics which so often characterised the off-world stories. However, I have a question I've never seen addressed anywhere.
(Minor spoiler)


There's an Ice Warrior character who proclaims himself "Judge, jury and executioner" and, if I'm not mistaken, "I am the law." Add to that a helmet which covers all his face and I can't help but wonder if John Wagner was a Who fan.
 
 
penitentvandal
08:04 / 27.06.06
Tom Baker plays the character too quiet, too... understated.

Well, there's two words I never thought I'd read in the same sentence...
 
 
All Acting Regiment
01:20 / 29.06.06
So here's a question. I've been budgeting, and have decided to go for two days without food (or four days with only one meal) in order to buy Who. I will buy one DVD. I think it will be Genesis of the Daleks. If not though, what should it be?

(Apart from the ones I've got: Robots of Death, City of Death, Vengeance on Varos (oh, shut up, it's quietly great), Leisure Hive (Can't you see I'm dying, Pangle?), Ressurection of the Daleks and Lost in Time.)
 
 
All Acting Regiment
01:31 / 29.06.06
Oh, and Pyramids of Mars, but you knew that.
 
 
■
06:56 / 29.06.06
I'd say Ghost Light, but for such a sacrifice it seems a very short serial, with few good extras.
 
 
sleazenation
08:21 / 29.06.06
I'd say stick with Genisis - it has pretty much got it all - it's a a good six-parter, Tom Baker as the Doctor, Sarah-Jane, the creation of the Daleks, and, arguably, the first salvo of the time war as the Timelords effectively declare war on the Daleks by seeking to avert their creation.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:35 / 29.06.06
Hmm, Genesis is really the only choice.

Although Earthshock'd be neat too (for the hilarious ending).
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
11:51 / 29.06.06
Tomb of the Cybermen, absolutely fantastic stuff and a great bonus feature on the Universal Uncle and special effects at the BBC.

Honestly, it's the ca-raziest feature with a rubber hag face puffing in and out and a Cybermen brandishing a stick festooned with shrunken heads.

But Genesis is fantastic as well.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:41 / 29.06.06
The Celestial Toymaker

...bloody hell. I have the last episode of this and have just got around to watching it. Bloody hell.

That Cyril, eh? Nasty.

Whent the doctor beats the game at the end, it rebuilds a pyramid...so the pyramid is rebuilt, and the celestial toymaker is defeated...metaphor for knowledge/the Judaism temple thing?
 
 
Lama glama
18:26 / 12.08.06
I watched "The Tomb of the Cybermen" for the first time, about two weeks ago and aside from the offensive characterisation of Toberman, it's an incredibly stylised and enjoyable production. Because the sets, props and cybermen costumes are so ridiculously cheap looking, the director finds ways of shooting them that make them look threatening or impressive.

This is my first foray into the Troughton serials since I was a child and I have to say, if this is an indication of the quality of the rest of them, then I'm excited. Anybody here have a recommendation for similarly stylised Troughton-era serials that are worth forking out money for? I was sorely tempted to buy Sarah Jane's last story, "The Hand of Fear" during the week, but if somebody can suggest a good Troughton tale, then I'd be more than happy to go for that one instead.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:36 / 12.08.06
'The Mind Robber' is fantastic. Tha tragedy of the Troughton era is that by chance a lot of the crap has survived and the good stuff has been wiped. I think 'The Evil of the Daleks', which was intended to be The Last Dalek Story, might only be avaiable as an audio tape/CD, seek that out as well.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
23:43 / 12.08.06
While 'The Mid Robber' is excellent fun, I'd throw my hat in the ring for 'the Seeds of Death' an Ice Warriors tale with lots of style and the purr-ific Miss Kelly.

I think it was the first 6 parter of Dr Who on DVD.

The absolutely best Cybermen story 'The Invasion' will be coming to DVD this October if memory serves... also a Troughton tale. The missing parts are to be animated... dunno what I think of that but word is that if this method of animating the missing episodes works there will be many more such releases.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:49 / 14.08.06
There are shots of the animation in this months SFX and it looks very good.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
13:06 / 14.08.06
Full preview here if you're interested.

And more clips from the Troughton era in general here
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:56 / 09.06.07
Bumping this up because of tonight's DWC being all about people growing up with Who, in case anyone else wants to share their stories...
 
 
All Acting Regiment
17:23 / 21.06.07
I actually did hide behind my sofa, in 1988. I beleive some people are saying this is a myth. I think they are telling porky pies.

So are there any new DVDs out we should be buying?
 
 
Lama glama
18:57 / 21.06.07
The two most recently released ones are Survival and Robot. Survival is the last serial to be aired on television before its cancellation and is surprisingly good. I tend to have a Marmite reaction to Sylvester McCoy episodes, either loving them immensely (Remembrance of the Daleks, Ghost Light) or finding them fairly intolerable (The Curse of Fenric). Survival seems to fall into the former category for me and looks surprisingly good for an episode from 1989. The plot is fairly thin on the ground, but it has a pretty fantastic turn from all the main cast and some guest actors who only induce moderate cringes. Anthony Ainley is absolutely brilliant in it. On the DVD extras side of things, there's a fan audio commentary, lots of documentaries and a sneak peak at the season 27 that never was. It feels remarkably similar to New Who's "Fear Her," in the sense that there's a domestic environment with something sinister going on within.

Robot is Tom Baker's first story and is a lot of silly fun, but I'd recommend Survival moreso. Coming out this month is the infamous 6th Doctor story Timelash. Frequently stated as the worst episodes of Doctor Who ever, I'm quite looking forward to seeing what makes it so terrible. I'm a huge fan of Colin Baker and find that David Tennant's performances is closer to his than Tom Baker (as a lot of people seem to compare the two), so I'm sure I'll find something to like about the episodes.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
19:22 / 21.06.07
It's amazing how much better Anthony Ainley is in Survival than in much of his earlier stuff - the capering, laughing, not very scary character he previously played is almost completely banished and replaced with a truely sinister prescence, also the equal and opposite vibe that made the Delgado/Pertwee relationship so intersting, but was somewhat missing with Ainley and the previous Doctors comes through quite strongly with McCoy and Ainley - it's a real shame they only performed opposite each other the once.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:16 / 22.06.07
You don't like 'The Curse of Fenric', really? It's a perfect metaphor for growing up, coming to terms with our parents and how they may disappoint us and it has Nicholas Parsons being killed by vampires. I mean, what more could you need from life?

It's been ages since I've thought of 'Timelash', so I'm not sure whether it's awful because of story or a woeful lack of cash in the set department, but I thought the worst story ever was 'The Two Doctors'.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
05:44 / 22.06.07
Hmmm I'm currently downloading the whole of Colin Baker's run. Not because I really want it, but because the complete runs of the first five Doctors are terrifyingly large files, and I've already got most of the decent McCoy stuff, so in a couple of weeks I could well be into really getting into discussion of Colin Baker's run.
 
 
Saveloy
12:32 / 22.06.07
Does anyone know how far the BBC plan ahead with the DVD releases? I mean, is there someone somewhere who can say: "In three years time we'll have done all of the Pertwee episodes and half the Bakers"?
 
 
Lama glama
16:47 / 22.06.07
but I thought the worst story ever was 'The Two Doctors'.

Really? I'm actually quite fond of that. I mean, beyond the slightly offensive Androgum stuff. I'll admit that the middle episode is pretty shit, with all that talk of the quorzing grid or whatever the hell it is. The first part has a lot of great ideas in it though, that never go anywhere, unfortunately. I have such a soft spot for Colin Baker's Doctor though. He's honestly relishing the role and does give a very distinctive interpretation of it. It's such a shame that he had such a mixed bag of stories and was ultimately rather unceremoniously sacked from the job.

Revelation of the Daleks really is the best Colin Baker story, though. Excellent cast, great use of Davros and the Daleks and the always impressive direction of Graeme Harper (who directed this season's "42" and "Utopia," as well as four eps last year and nice few classic series eps).
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
06:31 / 30.06.07
Vengeance on Varos (oh, shut up, it's quietly great)

I just watched Vengeance on Varos for the first time since it was originally on TV and I'd say it's more the quietly great. In a lot of ways it's really a classic, and something that mediocre effects and occasional blasts of clownish music aside really wouldn't seem that out of place as New Who story.

It's all about a police state that pretends to be a democracy, via sadistic reality TV votes, it's got explotative capitalist trying to invade said police state, to steal it's precious natural resources when the regime isn't co-operative enough, it's got a society addicted to a snuff infested manipulative media, and lots more beside. And it was written in the mid 1980s. Really quite remarkable in a lot of ways.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:17 / 03.06.08
Yeah, I like V on V at least a little bit. The thing where they get turned into a bird and a lizard is interesting for being incongruous, and in that it (or at least this particular transformation) could only happen in kid's TV from that period. Sil is a good villain. Odd to think that there and then, the Evil TV Police State is a 'What could happen?' idea as opposed to a comment on what is happening, which it would be today.

I've just got the New Beginnings box set. The Keeper of Traken, Logopolis and Castrovalva.

I've only watched KoT so far. Very interesting. The monster/the Master's TARDIS has, basically, a good look even if it is a little poorly realised - you can see the intended contrast between it and the William Morris-ish locations.
 
 
Lucid Frenzy
19:57 / 20.06.08
Has anyone posted a link to this yet?

Two advantages to this poll, it seems to have had quite a hefty voter turnout and people were encouraged to score (not just rank) every episode. So you can see at a glance all the episodes thought worth watching, not just an arbitrary top ten or twenty.

Tom Baker scores highly but that's my generation, so no complaints from me.
 
 
Billuccho!
22:19 / 20.06.08
Interesting. I'm pretty much a novice to Classic Who, but I'm slowly working my way through it. I've seen five serials in that top ten, and I wouldn't rate any of them that high. I thought that "Genesis of the Daleks" and "Pyramid of Mars" were just terrible, plodding about as slow and clumsily as the chicken-wire mummy robots from the latter story. "City of Death" was fun because it was Douglas Adams writing the dialogue, and because Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency is one of my favorite books. "Robots of Death" was decent. All in all, though, I don't see myself as a Tom Baker fan.

Meanwhile, I've been chronologically working my way through the Pertwee seasons, having never seen a Pertwee episode before, and I am loving them. I'd feared Classic Who was going to be nothing but disappointment to me, but I've found Pertwee's era to be almost nonstop brilliance. "Inferno," however, isn't nearly as good as two serials from the same year, "Spearhead from Space" and "Ambassadors of Death." The season after that, the year of nothing but Roger Delgado being completely awesome as the Master, is amazing. "The Daemons" is damn near perfect-- it's got the Brig, the rest of the UNIT Family, Super-Bessie, the devil, stuff exploding every three seconds, great bits of dialogue-- if it had just a little bit more Venusian karate and a little bit more interaction between Pertwee and Delgado, it would become completely sublime.

I've seen a lot of derision of Pertwee's era in various corners of the Who web. I understand where they're coming from: here, the anti-authority Doctor becomes a major authority figure, and an action hero, two things he really wasn't before; also, the Doctor spends a good deal of his time stuck on Earth. I think Pertwee pulls the whole thing off with godly aplomb and charm, and the reliance on an Earth-bound setting enables the Doc to build up a fantastic supporting cast-- the wonderful Liz Shaw, the adorable Jo Grant, the dryly witty and and maginificent Brigadier, the ever-hungry and fallible Sgt. Benton, the gung-ho Captain Yates, and, of course, the Master, who is perfectly portrayed in the anti-Doctor role by Roger Delgado. The man was born to play the Master, and his untimely death is a massive tragedy. The monsters are a little too rubbery, the sets a bit wobbily, and some bits are made out of tinfoil, but the entire enterprise is something held together by the sheer force of gusto, something I felt lacking in the Tom Baker era.

When I'm done with Pertwee, I might continue into T. Baker and give him another chance. Then again, I might just go back to Hartnell; before I discovered Pertwee, 'twas Hartnell who was my favorite "Classic" Doctor, and I've got quite a bit more of his run to check out.

Anyway, I'll stop raving. It's time to watch "The Sea Devils."
 
 
Billuccho!
22:47 / 20.06.08
And now I see that, not only does the very first post in this thread say everything I wanted to say about Pertwee, and better, too, but that I've also posted in this thread before. Boy, my mind's gone.

But at least, two years later, I lived up to my promise of tracking down Pertwee episodes.
 
  

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