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matthew.
18:28 / 13.06.06
Inspired by this post and this job decision of mine, I'd like to know a little about working in a call-centre.

I'm going to be working for a call-centre for Royal Bank and will be doing customer service, specifically technical shit about accounts and crap like that. So it's all incoming. It also pays very well and allows me the ability to move up the corporate ladder if I don't feel like going for my PhD, which sounds hard.

So tell me about your experiences working in a call centre.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
19:07 / 13.06.06
Incoming is the way to be, outbound call centering is the work of the devil.

Did you go to business school? If not there is a ceiling as to how far you will go in the corporate ladder (at least at the call centers in the USA) somewhere around 2 promotions over where you were started.

I worked in a call center for years, and despite doing the job of my superiors for about 5 months when the position was available I was not even given an interview.

The job was not terrible (I worked for Earthlink Internet) and the money was pretty good for the difficulty of the job, but your mileage (kilometerage?) may vary.
 
 
Fist Fun
19:29 / 13.06.06
Brace yourself. I worked in a couple of call centre jobs for two and a bit years after university. They were low paid, stressful and mostly unrewarding. It sounds like you are going to be on the front line (dealing with accounts!) so you will probably have to cop flack for a large corporate.

Be suspicious as fuck about anything they have told you at an interview about a corporate ladder. It doesn't sound like the graduate recruitment programme and that is a standard recruitment line.

You have to earn a living and it is honest graft but I'd recommend you get as much education as you can and that you use the job to earn money as a stepping stone to something else (France, Phd, whatever). Is that really your ambition - to climb the ladder in a call centre?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
19:50 / 13.06.06
My friend started as a Bank of America inbound call guy, used the tuition reimbursment thing went to school, stuck with the bank and now he's working on his masters and is vice president of some goofy title thing. Anyway he's making way more bank than the rest of my friends combined. He's a very hard worker though.
 
 
Char Aina
19:54 / 13.06.06
i was going to post horrible laughter flavoured mean-nes about the ladder line too.
i chickened out, but now that it's a dog pile...

seriously, dude.
don't believe the hype.
it makes a better monkey if he thinks there are bonus bananas. a really good monkey wont ask too many hard questions in case the banana trail trail dries up.
they know this, and they will use this to make you do all sorts of tricks.

be ready to throw your faeces and run, dude.
by which i mean get a hobby/side project/way out.
mine?
i'm going to marry money.
 
 
ostranenie
20:05 / 13.06.06
I've got to say I have pretty dubious feelings about the ladder prospects too, but then I worked in an outgoing-call place selling sudden death insurance (!! - god, did I hate myself) and only lasted five weeks before walking out on it, so ignore me.

The thing that kept me sane was the marvellously weird names that kept popping up on my screen. My favourites were the elderly Mr Junior Heater, and Mr and Mrs Tears from the village of Buttermountains.
 
 
Spaniel
20:37 / 13.06.06
Having never worked as a phone monkey I've never experienced an irate contact screaming down the phone at me. Must be a real pain in the arse, 'specially on a Monday morning
 
 
Baz Auckland
23:07 / 13.06.06
Boo Royal Bank, with their $5billion in profits and horrible banking hours and service charges! Boo to their refusing me interest relief on my student loans!

...if you take it, you may end up with me on the phone pleading you to lower my student loan payments.... just to warn you.

How about working in a pizza call centre instead?
 
 
matthew.
04:54 / 14.06.06
Thanks for all the posts. Somewhat helpful and somewhat nerve-racking.

First of all, I was not promised ascendancy on the ladder. Not at all. Nothing was said by the company. How do I know? My aunt, who started out in the call centre when she was my age, is now corporate for Royal Bank. So don't worry about it.

And it pays really well. So there.
 
 
illmatic
10:18 / 14.06.06
I did it for about eight months and I fucking hated every second of it. It was a major – no THE major – reason for me moving back to London. High pressure, low pay, absolutely no fucking job satisfaction at all. Having to talk to fucking idiots constantly with every phone call reinforcing the fact that you’ve made some really crud life choices. Constant crappy targets to hit, and having your break and loo time logged and having to justify it to your line manager if it went over 4%. I was a WORKER DRONE in TEH MATRIX!!1!!1!

It was of such staggering unimportance and irrelevance that I actually can’t remember most of it. It was too boring adn depressing to get lodged in the long term memory.
 
 
Quantum
10:57 / 14.06.06
It was too boring adn depressing to get lodged in the long term memory.

I'm in that fugue state right now.
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
11:00 / 14.06.06
I worked in a combined inbound/outbound call centre, selling extensions to mobile phone contracts. Pretty soulless, and some of the management were absolute drones. Like, they fired people if they were a minute late, twice.

On the plus side, the management themselves got fired pretty regularly, so the really nasty ones tended not to last long. Plus, it was summer, we got to wear shorts, and I always bagged the window seat so I could sit out on the ledge outside, dangling my be-sandaled feet in the air and occasionally popping my head into the fetid call centre to check the name of the customer. Plus, being the charming Scottish bastard that I am, I was pretty good at it.

*twisted fact* - they had a little black perspex heart that you got given if you were top salesmen on a shift. You wore it in your shirt pocket. It showed through, and you had the 'Black Heart of the Salesman'.

Grim. Still, good nights out. And for sheer bizarro weirdness, it's where I was when Sept. 11 happened. Nothing has ever topped the strangeness I felt calling people in Canary Wharf who were being evacuated and ending up just muttering expressions of shock and disbelief down the phone at each other.
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
14:08 / 14.06.06
when I was sixteen I worked in the collections department of a then-relatively-large ISP/phone company, calling people during their dinner to tell them that the ISP/telco needed to talk to them, and could I have their full name and their date of birth or service password, please?

Sounding like a 16 year old phone phreaker is not really a good idea, when you are calling people during dinner to tell them important things which you cannot actually tell them unless they prove their identity to the satisfaction of the Privacy of Information Act (or whatever, this was a long time ago).

So that was horrible heartless and thankless work.

I sure did get yelled at, a whole lot.
Though, considering that I was earning at 16 about two dollars less than I earn now (normally your sixteen year old earns about 60% of the wage of a 'real adult'), the pay must have been pretty good. I suspect this had something to do with the fact that the conditions were shit, the managers were shit, and everything about the job was shit. There had to be some balancing factor, you know? Still, people lasted about 3 months, on average. The day after they fired me (I stopped showing up, because I hated the place and they wouldn't let me quit properly), the company folded.

Which was the second incident in my spree of killing major (relatively) companies by leaving their employment and not liking them, but that's another story.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
15:36 / 17.06.06
I worked a LOT of inbound calls in my corporate life, and there really isn't anything much good about it. On good days, you're just reading information off of a computer screen to people and moving on to the next one, but a lot of the time, you get people who are already mad, and you are going to give them news to make them even more angry.

I think if you get a job doing it, you should find out how long until you can transfer to another part of the company and start a countdown calendar, since people who work in such places have a specific half-life based on their patience and ability to take abuse.

I wish you luck.
 
 
admiral sausage
16:06 / 17.06.06
5- 6 years in call centres !


After leaving art college i worked in a BT call centre for 2 years did quite a lot of outbound sales calls, then i moved to an inbount customer service department. The job was absolutely shit, the pay was poor, the job was depressing and the management treated us all like children, so we started acing like children. My mates and I just took the piss, took as few calls as possible. We had several ways of doing this:

1, after the customer hangs up, immediatly hit 2nd line then dial your own (or a friend extension), on the stats it looks like your talking to someone for ages. Wer got away with this for ages as the managers just sat at thier desks watchingthe stats change, but eventually they cottened on.

2, Break your PC ( or just make it crash , which was very easy) , we werent allowed to try and fix anything, so even unplugging one we were supposed to call IT support, who took 20 mins to turn up.

3, Tell your manager that the headphones keep giving you ear infections, so you the phone rings, and you answer it..... or not..... when youve got your headphones on the call comes straight through with only a beep to warn you. we also found a way of bouncing the ringing calls arond the call centre to other phones, which was good if loads of us were up to the same scam.


We also used to work sundays which paid double time and there was only 1 manager per floor, and very few calls. We used to buy a bottle of gin and sit there drinking it from out non spill BT mugs.

The management generally were comprised of people who had started straight from school and took it very seriously, mosty of the phone monkies were graduates, a lot of the management were what we called BT robots, they would spout nonsensical rules at you, they just couldnt figiure out why we didnt like it there .

Eventually we all got laid off, and most of the jobs in Bristol (where i was living at the time ) were call centre jobs, so I (and some of my mates from BT) worked in a call center that had to pretend to be Sainsburys head office in London, check the number on the back of any of thier produce, worked there for another 2 years , kind of liked it too but was made redundant again.

Got yet another call centre job for TNT ( logistics company) which was soould destroying, long hours, repetative each call lasted on average 40 seconds and it was one after the other. The one good thing about the job was that hey gave us 2 days of bomb training, how to recognise different types of bombs and explosives, it was somthing to do with the company being able to put stuff straight onto planes with out custoims looking at the stuff.

I lasted a few months there untill i decided what to do with my life, applied to go back to uni, got 1 last call centre job untill the course started, took as may sickies as i could, i had well and truly had my fill of call centres. Maybe theyve got better, probably not.
 
 
admiral sausage
16:12 / 17.06.06
Hot Buttered Elvis Dave, i was working in the Sainsburys call centre on september the 11th, every body stopped for a while, then we had to swithch the phones back on, people calling us up to complain about how they didnt like our quiches and wanted thier money back. It was horrible and surreal.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
23:38 / 17.06.06
As someone who has spent years in jobs like these and who has an excessively self-righteous attitude to the provision of good customer service, I should probably decry Adm. Sausage's comments. However, after having recently been disciplined for talking trash to an ignorant, uncooperative, DPA-trampling solicitor while he was on hold and couldn't hear me, somehow I give less of a fuck than I used to.

Since I hold a degree and thus have that wonderful ability of the English middle classes to sound fluent, knowledgeable and forceful even when totally ignorant of the subject at hand, I generally do all right at work. Just be certain to work as hard as you're obliged to, but no harder; and take all of the break time you're entitled to or someone will find a way to take it away from you. I can't think of a single job I've had where someone was promoted to manager or even team leader "from the ranks"; it's always been a strictly appointments-only business. After all, God forbid the people making the decisions should have any hands-on knowledge of their subordinates' work.

Re the disciplining thing, did I mention I don't take criticism kindly? Rargh.
 
 
admiral sausage
15:40 / 18.06.06
A Scanner Fat Lee.... whilst you were slagging off the guy on hold, was the (both sides of the )conversation being recorded ?

I cant defend my poor behaviour at work, but now i hve a totally different job that i really like and want to do well in i am a reformed character.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
16:41 / 18.06.06
was the (both sides of the )conversation being recorded ?

Yes, it was, with the result that it came to my manager's attention. Since the arsehat in question was calling about a compliance issue, he had the right in principle to request our recordings of all relevant 'phone calls, and thus would have heard me referring to him with some colourful, albeit non-obscene slang terms popular with polytechnic students in early-1990s Devon.

I emphatically didn't mean to sound as if I was having a crack at you, Sausage, since I fully appreciate the soul-destroyingness of the type of job we're discussing and have sympathy for any measures people can take to alleviate the misery involved. Hope that was clear.
 
 
Ticker
17:44 / 18.06.06
out of college I got a first tier tech support job. I figured there would be training involved....

Instead I got stuck on a phone with no clue on a unix system with no training and had to talk to the customers for at least ten minutes before I could escalute the call.

"Uh, Joe excuse me but this guy has a problem with his... gooey, what'a gooey?"

I didn't even know what an IP was. That was two years of hell in the trenches as my manager would often secretly telnet into my system and terminate process to 'teach' me.

Several jobs and a decade later I'm a top level Unix SysAdmin, and I don't take calls from customers UNLESS a 1st tier person asks me to. Then I drop everything 'cause it sucks ass to not know enough to solve a problem and to have people screaming at you.

Hone your bullshit and google skillz if you have internet access. Make friends with the more skilled people if you need to escalute and always try to take things as far as you can before handing it off. Ask what the solution was later.

Baptism by Fire.
 
 
matthew.
02:47 / 19.06.06
I start training tomorrow. Six weeks. I'm going to continue working at this restaurant, too. Yowza. I'll tell everybody about my ordeal in the next few weeks.
 
 
admiral sausage
16:25 / 19.06.06
the once and future matt,

make the mosrt of all of the discounts and freebies, you should get a good rate for loans, mortgages and cheap insurance. I worked for LLoys TSB for a few months before going back to uni. wasnt too bad as call centres go, the best bit is looking up celebrities bank accounts and loan details..... when i worked at BT someone found elton johns phone account details, but it set off an alarm somewhere and he got a bollocking.
 
 
admiral sausage
16:25 / 19.06.06
the once and future matt,

make the mosrt of all of the discounts and freebies, you should get a good rate for loans, mortgages and cheap insurance. I worked for LLoys TSB for a few months before going back to uni. wasnt too bad as call centres go, the best bit is looking up celebrities bank accounts and loan details..... when i worked at BT someone found elton johns phone account details, but it set off an alarm somewhere and he got a bollocking.
 
 
adamswish
17:24 / 19.06.06
I did six months for a well know cable company here in the UK (T*l*w*s*, turns head and spits on floor) before being scaked for taking too long on the calls (all incoming thankfully) and hated it all. Each day leaving the office either hating the company or the customers, depending on the types of calls you'd had.

One of the annoying things was the idea of "enforced fun" that was the business culture of the place. Little "special events" that took place, but you had to log off your phones after first gaining permission to attend.

On the other hand there were a few comedy moments. Here are two as I remember:

LITTLE OLD LADY: "Yes I was going to pay my bill this week but the fridge had broken..."
ME: "That's not a problem madam. I'll get an extension on your bill. You need fresh food more than you need 57 channels of telly."
LITTLE OLD LADY: "So, can I have a new one please?"
ME: "A new what?"
LITTLE OLD LADY: "A new fridge."
ME: "We don't do fridges."
(there then follows a brief conversation as to the best places to get a new fridge from upon which the little old lady says she'll ask the bloke who comes to read the meter next time she sees him)

and the second one...
RANDOM BLOKE: "Is that your junction box on the corner of (somewhere and somewhere, I forget the place)?"
ME: "Could be, why?"
RANDOM BLOKE: "Because it's on fire."
ME: "Pardon?"
RANDOM BLOKE: "Well there's smoke coming out of it."
ME: "Oh, right. Well thanks for telling us. I'll inform the relevant department..."
(followed by a half hour trying to get a department to take responsibility for the information)

Oh yes the one good thing that happened was being suspended from work due to improper use of the e-mail system. Basically a way to get rid of a load of us as the company was heading to the shit house. Unfortunately this back-fired as so many of the phone monkeys and a fair few managers got caught with the same dodgy e-mail (or dodgier ones) so they brought us back on final writen warnings (from no offence to final written warning, quite a jump).
 
 
Triplets
18:14 / 19.06.06
Adam.

Adam.

I have worked there for 3 and a half years. Lightweight. Did you work in digi?
 
 
admiral sausage
19:40 / 19.06.06
arrg shit sorry, browser told me it could connect to the web page... bollocks.

The king of skivers in BT was my mate lets call him Steve...... as that is his name. Well he would go days without answering the phone, when asked why he would just shrug and say that there was somthing wrong with his phone or his log on.

The majority of us working for BT were semi permanant working for BT via an agency, basically a scam by BT, who were trying to hide how many employee's that had from offcom as they was a limit to how many employees they could employ.

Anyway Steve maged to get a contract by selling ADSL and second phonelines to old ladies who didnt understand what he was saying, so when all 500 agency staff were made redundant he (along with the other BT contract staff) kept his job, all remaining staff were moved to another building in Bristol, but steve didnt go, or resign. BT Only noticed 3 months later.
 
 
trouble at bill
14:36 / 24.06.06
BT - It's Good to Toke, as we BT phonemonkeys used to say in the 1990's.

I was in one callcentre doing outbound market research telesurveys and after six months it emerged that the guy next to me had not made a single call, ever. He'd just pretended to be talking on the phone and made up the results of several hundred surveys. He got sacked for it as you might imageine, but there were others on a similar fiddle who got away with it. I'm under the impression that the grossest misconduct/greatest achievement of BT phonemonkeys was getting the Queen's number and subjecting her to prank calls, though that incident had long since passed into legend by my time.

I've done 5 years in as many different callcenres - sales, charity fundraising, railway-related, 999, pretty much bought the 't'-shirt I guess. I may not be in the majority on this thread but for me, it's always been fairly okay. That is to say (most of the time) money alright, people okay and the work not too stressful. Though sales and fundraising can be grim when they're not going well. But all in all it's done me okay, though all I have to compare it to is teaching and working in a factory so my perception may well be skewed.
 
 
Cherielabombe
15:05 / 24.06.06
The most infuriating call centre I have ever dealt with in the U.K. is BT. Hours of calling during alleged opening hours, with the phone just ringing and ringing and ringing... finally getting through, holding holding holding and then... someone hangs up on the other end.

Repeat. Repeat.

Rep - "Thank you for calling BT. Our office hours are from 8 - 4. Please try again later."

Exaggerating slightly, but only just.

And now I know why! You guys were just sitting around, drinking gin and toking up all day!

I knew it!
 
 
Axolotl
15:15 / 24.06.06
I despise my phone-monkey job, and it's not even in a proper call centre - i.e I deal with written requests as well as inbound calls. It's for a mortgage company and it has managed to make me (even more) deeply cynical and despair at the depths of peoples' stupidity. Everyone lies to us all the time, the entire world seems to be living off credit financed by ever-rising house prices and can't understand why borrowing more money to pay off arrears is a bad idea, and most of them seem to be to stupid to understand basic concepts, like interest being payable on a loan, or for that matter basic English. I hate it and I hate the effect it has me and my ability to empathise with people. The pay's shit as well (only pennies above what the unions reckon is a living wage fact-fans).
As for climbing the corporate ladder, don't fucking believe them. Since I've been there no-one has been promoted internally, all new managers have been bought in from outside, normally from head office down in London.
If you have any options whatsoever walk away. In fact run away as fast as you can.
And if anyone knows anyone looking for employees in the Glasgow area, please feel free to pm me.
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
09:01 / 11.10.06
So I've got this oppoutunity. to move from Factory work (average money 4 days on 4 days off, mangled fingers, the faint wiff of rasism and sexism in the workplace)To Inbound customer services. (ever so slighty better money, same shitty shifts, staring at a monitor all day.) Now I know F all about phone work but they will train me up. Reading this thread (for reasearch) I'm drawing a few conlusions.
Inbound is better the outgoing.
You can get away with more mucking about (as a stress reilver)
The bosses are worse (margianlly than factory work)

My logic is this. A background in Customer Support will open more career doorways than a bachground and experice than working in a factory. I'm looking for a Job with prospects a ladder to climb as it were.
So i'm 99% certain of making the jump, from being a factory drone to phone monkey.
Thoughs anyone?
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
09:42 / 11.10.06
Call centre work is indeed souless and evil work, particularly if, like many CSRs, you just don't give a crap about the customers that you are talking to.

On the other hand, the key to getting any sense of job satisfaction is to work for the customer and not the company or the career or the money.

I've worked for inbound BT and Ford Motor Company (US desk during the Firestone recall) and always took pride that I treated almost all callers properly, appropriately and fairly. Time only seemed to grind by on slow days when no cals were coming in. I enjoyed the challenge of the difficult customers with obscure queries. I liked reasoning with customers with unreasonable demands of the company. I loved finding ways to make the company make up for letting a customer down. Of course the managers didn't always like what I was doing, but I'd just give them the customer service treatment that they expected me to short change customers with.

Working as a CSR is one of the few occasions when undergrads/post-grads get to learn about the service industry and uphold their own ideals and principals about good customer service. Unfortunately too few seem to appreciate this opportunity and spend their time getting off on trying to be clever. That pisses me off no end but heaven forfend that anyone taking on a job accept the responsibility of actually doing it properly. Ironically enough, it's the ass-hats who fuck about and blag off actually doing work that mean more irate customers, more calls and more jobs. Very fucking clever.

My advice is aim for a superviser/escalation rep position. You'll learn lots about conflict resolution and the early quasi-managerial experience early on in your working life will mean more to a potential employer than sitting out your shift bleating verbatim responses out of a phrase-book.
 
 
matthew.
16:53 / 12.10.06
I forgot about this thread.

Well, the long and short of my job is that I hate every fucking minute of it unless it's a challenge. And that's very rare. People are fucking ignorant of their own accounts and money. They will also blame everybody else for anything they did.

What makes me live through this job is two things:
1) My pod members are funny great smart people and we bitch and moan and complain and joke and mock all the time.
2) I will make a customer say the words I want them to say. My average call time is up because I try and prod the client into saying that yes it was their mistake and yes it is not a bank error. If I can get them to say it, once they say it, they shut the fuck up and let me get back to my crosswords.

This job blows not just because of stupid customers, but because of stupid management who has given me blatantly wrong information which I would relay back to the client only to have me be proved wrong in five fucking minutes. I have had forms sent back to me because my manager, trainer and team leader all misled me in the interest of the bank. Well, fuck them.

It's all about pleasing the few customers that are worth me trying to please.

I knew I'd hate this job, but not as much as I thought. A month ago, I became physically ill because of my extreme and incalculable loathing for this job.

But I'm still working at this restaurant and that's turning out to be one of the best jobs I've ever had. It's fun, it's breezy and I'm damn good at it. I'm considering trying to go the corporate ladder at this place, too.

[By the way, Barbelith, this is the longest post I've done in almost six months! It's good to be back!]
 
 
Quantum
17:50 / 12.10.06
John Odin- call centre work IS factory work, just in a comfier seat.
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
19:35 / 12.10.06
Aye, The Victorians had workhouses, we have call centers
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
07:39 / 13.10.06
I have had forms sent back to me because my manager, trainer and team leader all misled me in the interest of the bank.

If you think you can control the fallout to your advantage then I suggest that you enter formal complaints against the misleaders for failing to do their job properly. Make them address the situation and then claim a victory for the company that you've improved the working environment. Played well it could prove to be a foot on the corporate ladder.

Of course if played exceptionally badly it could prove a foot into the special project.
 
  

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