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Social Anxiety Disorder/Social Phobias

 
  

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Tsuga
23:03 / 29.04.07
And it wasn't so much that he refused to go along with it as that he totally belittled and ridiculed my feelings about the whole thing. He told me that I was being ridiculous, it would be disrespectful, everyone would expect me to do these dances, I "owed" my dad that much, he felt sorry for my dad, and my idea would never work and I was being crazy.
Yeah, that stuff never works. I'm sure he loves you and all, so yer gonna have to learn him that he can't call you crazy, and calling your fears ridiculous just never, ever will really work. I learned that much myself, thankfully.
I hope that when the time comes your fears will be allayed and you can boogie dance with impunity. But if not, it's still both of yours big day, and that's what counts.
 
 
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23:11 / 29.04.07
Ibis, your SO may not realize how hard this is for you. It's hard to remember when someone faces some kind of challenge that one doesn't face oneself. I hope the two of you are successful at communicating your needs with one another and coming to an accomodation that works for you both.

You might find out what real need underlies your SOs position here. He's taking the position that your father will be insulted and think that you are ashamed or embarassed to be dancing with him, if I understand your understanding of him correctly. Is this a way for your SO to communicate that he's afraid that you're ashamed to dance with him? Or maybe there's someone, either your father or someone else on the guest-list, he's mortally afraid of offending. Maybe there's another part of the ceremony he objects to but doesn't feel comfortable telling you about. If you can get him to the point of telling you what the core issue is—if he knows it himself—it will help you negotiate so you can be as comfortable as possible.

To me, it sounds like if his reaction to this suggestion—assuming it's uncharacteristic for him to belittle you and dismiss your desires—must come from some strong emotion that he's defending against. I don't know what it is, and I've sketched out a few possibilities based on well nothing really. It shouldn't be your job, when you're feeling vulnerable, to figure out why he's being unreasonable and help him fix it. But often that's what ends up happening before people can move forward.

Here's hoping taking some time for both of you to calm down helps you to work things out between you.
 
 
ibis the being
01:25 / 30.04.07
Boboss & id ~

It is accurate to say there are deeper & other issues involved. Just for starters, we've recently moved halfway across the country, started new jobs, moved near his whole family that he hasn't been this close to for years, moved far away from my family, and we have been coping with all these changes while working opposite shifts and never getting to see each other. And oh yeah planning a wedding.

Our communication just hasn't been great lately... today we got in another tiff about else (spending time w his family on our one day together) and finally hashed through some things. On the dance topic, I finally realized - and told him - it just flat out wasn't his decision to make and I would talk to my dad about it.

In response to your questions, idperfections... I agree there are deeper issues behind his reaction, and I can't say exactly what they are. But I have noticed over the course of our relationship that he has a strong negative reaction similar to this whenever I had some kind of breakdown of coping skills and state that I'm just not able to deal with X. He gets upset with me for giving up, or being unable to handle stress/difficulty. And I am definitely an avoider in the face of stress/difficulty, so it's clear where the conflict arises there. Someday when we both have either health insurance or money it might be useful to try to work that out with counseling, I suppose.

I could into this more but I think I'm burning dinner....
 
 
Peach Pie
10:02 / 30.04.07
O/T

what is passive-aggressive personality disorder?

Is this where someone "retreats" from the world, develops a whole slew of behaviours that express covert resentment from the world, but fails to address the root causes of their own resentment?

Just reading the wikipedia page on this... it's as if someone has fallen into a pattern of failing to take responsibility, without even realising that's actually what they are doing. So when their behaviour causes hostility, they don't understand why (they were just "keeping themselves to themselves") and adopt a vicitm mentality.

Fascinating...
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
10:39 / 30.04.07
As is so often the case, I wish we had a decaffeinated version of this thread (a la the 'Anger and hate'/'Miserable'/'Oh dear' threads) to let me talk about my relentlessly trivial worries, since I would rather not hijack the discussion when ibis's genuinely serious and multi-faceted personal issues have inspired such supportive and insightful comments. My merely posting "What those guys said" won't cut it. That said....

Like others, I often characterise myself as shy and awkward with strangers and acquaintances. I struggle to make conversation, build bridges with people, bond over shared viewpoints or fill gaps in the air. Since I have a fairly negative self-image, I tend to attribute these self-deficiency not to shyness pure and simple, but to personal arrogance - "These people have nothing to say, I don't want to talk to them" and apathy - "These people won't want to hear from a dull person like me, it's pointless trying to engage them". These forces tend to colour my interactions quite often, with the result that even when I become lively and involved with a group interaction I'll most likely keep my comments on the crushingly banal side, simply in order to avoid provoking unwanted attention. That's my most common experience - that while to an observer I might appear engaged, cheerful and fluent, I'm secretly praying the discussion doesn't wander into territory beyond the trivial.

It should be made clear that I'm fully cognizant of the fact that the personal arrogance I mentioned above belongs to me alone - it's never at all a factor of "the kind of" people I spend time with - and that I expend a lot of effort in ensuring it doesn't filter out into my reactions to what others say or do. Principally because I don't want a hiding. Of course, all this mental energy would be more usefully employed engaging fully with other people rather than in inhibitive self-protection.

If any of the above strikes a chord with anyone here, please reply with your perspective; alternatively, please shoot me down at will.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:58 / 30.04.07
I think the Owl's advice would be to just throw in intelligent opinions and analysis into the conversation, without really caring much about how you're being perceived but with willingness to explain what you have to say. As long as you subject what you have to say to reason beforehand, and listen to reasonable objections from other people, always feel free to say it.

I think that for certain personality types, trying to keep a standard of "niceness" or "mildness" or "willingness to let others speak" is unnecesary (if not bordering on pathological/evasive as has been flagged up) - because it's already happening. They've got that base covered. They need to work on being forward, and make that the default setting for conversations. It's the opposite personality type that needs to be more considerate.

The two pathologies - being overly meek and mild, or being a blind ignorant hippo that tramples day and night - are I think what Neitzche was trying to smash when he wrote Beyond Good and Evil.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
11:10 / 30.04.07
Ahh, but knowing when you *are* being meek and mild - as some of us can sometimes find ourselves so devoid of self-awareness as to imagine we're being perfectly genial and reasonable, when in fact we are being a prodigious arsewit in front of everybody (and vice versa of course) - that is the beginning of wisdom. I guess it's maybe to do with having the self-confidence to believe that the way you want to be perceived really is how you are being perceived, and build from there.

Thanks for yours and the Owl's words of advice, and the hippo line, which I will soon be dropping into the conversation (but not the Conversation) as if I came up with it - hope that's okay.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:16 / 30.04.07
The hippo is for everyone.
 
 
ibis the being
21:35 / 30.04.07
Transfer Student: I don't want to superimpose my experience on yours, but I sometimes have employed feelings of superiority as coping mechanisms for when I feel anxious about being socially rejected or humiliated. It can be a little hard to parse at times, but I would find that a noisy inner voice would tell me "these people are so dumb" while actually a quieter, but more poignant, voice was telling me, "these people are going to think you are so weird."

I think it's interesting that, as I read in one of the social anxiety info pages (and of course now I can't find it, argh), social anxiety does not always have a strong correlation with poor social skills... some inviduals being adept at acquiring good, or at least functioning, social skills in an outward sense, but still experiencing that dread, anxiety, extreme discomfort, and guilt/regret. I have had a number of people tell me that I "don't seem shy at all" (admittedly there is a larger number that have said "you never talk") because by the age of almost 30 I have managed to sort of memorize and reenact the "normal" responses & behavior in common social scenarios. But, you know, stick me in a bowling alley or a wedding reception and I retreat to the corner in panic.
 
  

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