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Casino Royale

 
  

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iamus
20:24 / 17.11.06
Apart from the son though, Die Another Day had one of the best title sequences in a Bond movie. As soon as those scorpion tails fired up I felt like I was tripping.

I worked in a cinema at the time and used to nip into the screen just to catch that sequence. Rest of the movie was utter mince though.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
20:51 / 17.11.06
It's not enough for him to shake her hand, he has to do a little bow.

It is possible, though, that while he knew he would need to shake her hand he just didn't want to look directly at a very old person? I hear you can catch old if they make eye contact.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
22:47 / 17.11.06
Le Chiffre = the cipher or the figure, Ph"e"x. Appropriate for a mathematical genius.

I am not a Bond fan and haven't seen any of the other films, since Dr No came out. I gave this a shot because I really like Daniel Craig. It was great! Excellent action and stunt stuff but also tender moments, lots of comic touches, and those beautiful blue eyes. I have become a convert and may watch some of the back catalogue, though Ganesh tells me Roger Moore era Bond might disappoint. Not a lot of genital torture in those, I gather.
 
 
Feverfew
04:50 / 18.11.06
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Phex: Dorset Doom
10:08 / 18.11.06
Speaking of Craig's eyes- are those real or contacts? If it's the former I may just have to amend my 'I'm not gay but...' list.
 
 
Benny the Ball
13:23 / 18.11.06
Just come out of a cinema having watched this. I really enjoyed it - Bond was extremely brutal and a real 'blunt instrument', all of the fights and stunts were great, some of the lines are clunkers - that being one of the only downsides. Eva Green is very naturally beautiful (she looked amazing while getting ready to look amazing in the scene before the game commenced) and craig was very very good. The torture scene was very well played (partly Craig and partly Mads Le Chriffe - his accent was great for nasty). The one thing I've always wanted more of in Bond was a sense that he was a physical character (Moore was near catatonic, Connery had his fight on the train in From Russia, The Aussie was all done in front of a back projector and the two timer wasn't all that in a fight, I thought Brosnan was going to be this from Goldeneye, but no) and that's what Craig delivered.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
16:59 / 18.11.06
I'm really, really hesitant to say this out of love and respect for From Russia With Love and On Her Majesty's Secret Service, but, uh, Best... Bond Film...Ever...?




I think it just might be. Except for the main Tile Sequence song (which was just bland and vaguely irritating), the entire movie was just plain amazing. I was expecting greatness from this (Goldeneye was easily the best Bond film in years, so Martin Campbell being the director made me happy), but I was stunned. This is an amazing film, and it ended absolutely perfectly. EVERYONE SHOULD GO SEE THIS NOW.
 
 
Spaniel
17:24 / 18.11.06
That were bloody great!

Big spoilery....












Looks like we'll be seeing Spectre (or, er, SMERSH) in the next movie. I was amazed at how open they left it.







....End big spoilery






The papers have been making much of how Craig is the main subject of the sexy gaze in this film, and, frankly, I have to agree. The camera was all over him and his perfectly formed arse... and pecs... and crotch... etc... And his meaty juicy face and steel blue eyes were lingered on a little longer than the story actually required. Christ, he even mimicked the Ursula Andress shot, not once but (I think ) twice. Of course all that's saying something when you consider this movie's Bond girls were fabulously, take-your-breath-away beautiful - although I'm inclined to think that has something to do with the fact that they were actually allowed - you know - something resembling personalities.

I was also interested in how my expectation for this movie played off the reality. The advance press had led me to believe that we were heading into much more realistic territory than, in fact, we were. The gadgets aren't gone they're just a little more understated; the action is still completely over the top, although, granted, it is a little more tame; the quips and one liners are still there; and Bond (as I've alluded up thread) is still sex on legs.
But! But, but, but, this was a character piece in way that few Bond films before it have ever managed or even attempted. It's the secret origin of James Bond, where he actually grows (or stunts, depending on your outlook) and changes. There are moments that reveal character - that's almost unheard of in Bond movies - and they're helped along by Craig's quality acting skills.

Good stuff..gotta go... dinner!
 
 
Paralis
01:27 / 19.11.06
hm.

It was big, and shiny, and sexy, and a little silly, and a lot of fun, but I don't think I liked it, and I think that the more I think about it, the less I'll like it.

The plot. It just doesn't work for me. I'll wait a while before going into MASSIVE SPOILER territory, but it seemed like there were pretty significant logical disconnects introduced both by the filmmakers' decision to update the story in pieces, and again to not do so in others. For all that the moral of the story seems to be "you can't trust anybody", there's an awful lot taken on blind faith.

But it may have been the best Bond film ever (damning with faint praise though that may be). Daniel Craig is great even if his sex appeal is overplayed. Eva Green is wonderful even if she looks like a child playing dress-up when she cries. I really enjoyed the evolution of their banter, but wonder if they're setting the bar too high. Weren't many of the other Bond girls (in the novels, at any rate) much flatter?

The stunts were absurd, but I absolutely loved the juxtaposition of Foucan's freerunning and Blond's much less artistic athleticism. Visually, it was a little ridiculous, but very effective nonetheless. Toward the end, there's a shot of Bond and Vesper framed from behind a row of columns, which makes me think that maybe they cut a few minutes from the end. But that's as likely wishful thinking on my part.
 
 
Benny the Ball
04:52 / 19.11.06
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So the whole idea is that James' first love (before his real love, Tracy) helps fund his soon to become arch nemesis (Smersh/Spectre/Blofeld) and sacrifices herself in the process in order to save his life - if they keep this as a key thing in the series from now, it should be pretty rough going.
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Spaniel
08:36 / 19.11.06
"You can't trust anybody" is not the moral of the story.
 
 
sleazenation
09:15 / 19.11.06
I enjoyed it, but I was always going to be an easy sell.


I didn't for one moment buy the idea that Vespa Lynd meant anything particularly significant to Bond - The whole conversation about armour fell flat partly because of this but also because it was so clunky.
 
 
Spaniel
09:39 / 19.11.06
It was clunky, wasn't it.

The film was also too long.
 
 
Benny the Ball
10:44 / 19.11.06
it felt long because of the pace that it started with - very Bourne Supremacy, Bond alone, taking care of the dirty side of the business. Once he started playing cards they kind of struggled to keep the tension high, the torture scene happened and then it ground to a halt before the ending kicked in again.
 
 
kowalski
12:43 / 19.11.06
I think it was a mistake to play to the fad of hold 'em poker. Nearly the whole audience has seen it on tv, and to be honest the ESPN version has more tension in it than any hand in the movie. The appeal of Bond playing cards always came from him playing something just slightly obscure. They should have used one of the other variants currently populating the WSOP that lack the fad appeal of Hold 'Em and thus would still have something of a "what exactly is going on?" quotient to produce tension where nothing else was.

That or Bond should have actually tilted and lost and lashed out violently in response, suffering appropriate consequences. Anything to actually put the film on tilt a bit; making Bond's persona more complicated doesn't do much if we never feel like he's truly in danger or at least in danger of mucking things so badly that he won't just be able to clean them up in the end.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
13:58 / 19.11.06
Yeah it was AMAZING! I wish that would happen in Bond...Hey maybe M could be Bond's real mum & the M could stand for Mummy!

Harrison, I enjoin you to read the interview with Craig in the current issue of Empire ... you will find it spookily familiar.
 
 
sleazenation
14:54 / 19.11.06
kowalski - I think you are wrong on the card game front -

Tension does not derrive from ignorance but from specifically heightened awareness - Hitchcock was a master at this - Watch The Man Who Knew Too Much. Twice. Once because its a good film, the second time to see the way Hitchcock first introduces the piece of music that will play such an important role in the climactic scenes towards the end of the film. Watch again as the music is reintroduced and specific moments within it are pointed out, then watch those final scenes - the audience's expectations are raised to such a degree that no further dialogue is necessary.

An audience awareness of the rules of poker adds to the tension - You could even argue that Bond could have heightened that awareness more, explaining the rules to Ms Lynd, but I can equally see that a film based around the central conceit of a card game is already going to be a tough sell, and limiting the amount of screen time actually devoted to the mechanics of the game is some thing to be desired.

There were actually a number of other things that struck me watching this.

Once Le Chiffre is beaten, its smiles all round, and not a word is mentioned about how Bond could have delivered the big bad to the British if Lynd had had backed him, whereas now the collar was going to Felix Leiter and friends...
 
 
Paralis
16:05 / 19.11.06
Okay. So here's what's got me frothy.

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Okay. So here's what we know. Bond's "lesson" is that he shouldn't trust anybody. This is a bit of a simplification and ignores his ethical crisis and that whole love thing, but it seems good enough for M, and that's good enough for me. Talking about Mathis on the boat at the end: "You don't trust anybody, do you, James?" "No." "Then you've learned your lesson." But why does M trust Bond?

He's just been promoted and has already shown a tendency to overstep his bounds in every conceivable way. First the embassy incident, then he tracks down M's name and address and breaks into her home and laptop.

He then leaves for the US without telling anybody and continues to exploit M's lax security (this is itself a bit puzzling). In Montenegro, when Vesper refuses to stake his buy-in to rejoin the tournament, he's given extraordinary help from a foreign agent, and in return agrees to relinquish the target of his investigation.

He doesn't return the money. He resigns from abroad, immediately (one thinks the natural course of his mission would require a return to London to be debriefed). Later, he is witness to the death of another government agent and accuses another asset (Mathis) of betrayal. He appears not to offer evidence of the first, and to be unable to prove the second.

And, for all that, M, who jokes that she could have him killed, wishes he'd defected, and regrets promoting him too quickly, welcomes him back with open arms. There's not even talk of a conditional reinstatement.


Now, granted, this isn't damning evidence. Bond's contact with the US is especially ambiguous because of the maddeningly vague political situation we're presented with. Casino Royale clings to the idea that M's identity is itself secret (which I think was true in the 50s, but certainly isn't now), and offers no comment on the state of the relationship between the SIS and the CIA. Bond is arrested in Miami, perhaps under suspicion of terrorism and assaulting a police officer, and we've got no idea how he's extricated--whether it was done specifically by US security forces or whether diplomatic channels were required, and, if so, to what extent. We've got no real idea of when the film takes place beyond post-9/11, so there's no real basis for speculating on the effect the Iraq war (for instance) might have on SIS's opinions of overreaching young agents soliciting foreign aid. Nor is it explained why Leiter knows about Bond, but not the reverse.

This may of course all be spelled out with excruciating clarity in the sequel, in which case I can only cry about the pacing.


Also grating is Vesper's mythical Algerian boyfriend. It doesn't bother me (although perhaps it should) that MI6 didn't do any background work on whether Lynd had any prior connection to Le Chiffre. But tacking this on at the end as the explanation for Vesper's betrayal seems unnecessary and confusing. Who is he? How long ago was he kidnapped? Why was he kidnapped? What reasonable belief did she have that he was still alive, or that collaboration with SMERSH could save his life?

Did she love Bond, and if so, how did her love for him intersect with being "very much in love" with this boyfriend? Unlike the novelized Vesper, she continues her betrayal after falling in love with Bond, and kills herself not to save him, but, well, perhaps to deal with the guilt of her betrayal. It isn't really clear. It isn't clear what she'd have done if Bond hadn't destroyed the building, and if she hadn't been trapped in the elevator. Would she have run off with SMERSH to her Algerian boyfriend? What was she afraid of: the emotional or the legal consequences of her treachery?

Oh. And what was the deal with the finger-sucking?
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All of the above may make it sound like I didn't enjoy the movie. I did. I didn't have very high expectations, but they weren't disappointed. The score, the two martini orders, Mathis's useful corruption, even the prematurely used "hologram of love interest in the path of oncoming vehicle" (was that Man with the Golden Gun or Live and Let Die?). Felix Leiter may be an actual character this time around instead of an absurd redneck caricature. All were very good, and, sadly, would be perhaps much better if I weren't intent on thinking about this so ridiculously hard.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
12:23 / 20.11.06
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The poker game was the worst thing about the film (which I loved). It was frankly rediculous hand vs. hand situations which had nothing to do with actual poker. The final hand was the prime example of how little scriptwriters actually understand poker. As soon as I saw the turn, I knew exactlly what cards bond had, and Le Chiffe, and the fat dude out of snatch. It was poorly thought out, the betting made very little sense, and ti all felt terribly deus ex.
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Feverfew
13:56 / 20.11.06
At the risk of being unpopular; I liked the opening sequence. The "Bond Theme", however, was so unutterably unmemorable that I've mentally filed it under "College Rock". Which is worrying.

Other than that I enjoyed the film, but I echo comments about the pacing; sometimes a little choppy, then instantly becoming the Daniel-Craig-Runs-After-Cars-Looking-Intense show. (Ok, maybe a little OTT, but hopefully you get my gist...)

I enjoyed the film. I just wondered about, as I say, the pacing. But such, as they say, is life.
 
 
Evil Scientist
14:14 / 20.11.06
It's more likely to be SPECTRE than SMERSH in the follow-up. SMERSH was a Soviet counterintelligence group and only appeared in the films in passing reference (Rosa Klebb from "The Spy Who Loved Me" defected to SPECTRE from them, and Bond initially thinks that's who he's up against).

Politically speaking the independant terrorist group would probably be the more likely choice rather than openly linking them with the Russian government.
 
 
Spaniel
14:42 / 20.11.06
Well, I think it would be entirely possible to make SMERSH independent of any government, but of course that's not why they're going to go with SPECTRE. Nope, they'll go with SPECTRE because it's an infinitely cooler name.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
19:26 / 20.11.06
Well it is, isn't it?
 
 
sleazenation
20:34 / 20.11.06
Onething I didn't like was the theme. The current crop of M&S adverts (A cover version of a PINK song) sound better, probably by dint of being sung by Dame Shirley Bassey...
 
 
Spaniel
21:12 / 20.11.06
Twas a terrible nothing theme.

And Spyder, yes! It is!
 
 
Benny the Ball
07:32 / 21.11.06
"they'll go with SPECTRE because it's an infinitely cooler name"

SMERSH only sounds cool if Sean Connery is saying it...
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
09:52 / 21.11.06
ACTUALLY, they should bring back Connery. The bond girl could be played by Catastrophic Zeta Jones & the Villain could be Tom Jones. Obviously Cerys Matthews (bad spelling slap hands) could do the song. Scotland meets Wales at MI5, you know the deal.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
12:21 / 21.11.06
A bit like Torchwood!!!!! With Captain Jack as Commander James!!OMG!!

I actually would love that ...
 
 
gridley
13:30 / 21.11.06
Nor is it explained why Leiter knows about Bond, but not the reverse.

Felix knew about Bond, because Bond intentionally blew his own cover by announcing who he was at the hotel's front desk. Even if Felix hadn't heard about that, the guy running the poker game, introduced him as James Bond.

Felix, on the other hand, was most likely undercover.
 
 
The Natural Way
17:19 / 22.11.06
See, I think if the theme was sung by a soul diva we wouldn't be so strong on the hater tip. I really enjoyed the instrumental stabs as the blood ran down the gun-sight. Very exciting. I enjoyed the playing-cards-on-acid vibe of the opening sequence. All I hated was the - how did that poster put it so many moons ago? - 'generic mid-transatlantic drawl' of the singer.

Another music thing - I loved the way the Bond theme failed to surface until the end, neatly underscoring that it was then and only then that 'Bond, James Bond' had emerged. It was simultaneously triumphant AND depressing. Sure, he's the cool hero with the cool soundtrack, but man, the guy's got issues.....
 
 
Spaniel
20:04 / 22.11.06
I liked the visuals it was the song that was shit. They really have to sort this shit out - I really miss the man Barry.

Marriage, that's a great point about the theme, and I suspect it was entirely intentional, coming, as it does, after the "Bond. James Bond" line.
 
 
PatrickMM
20:22 / 22.11.06
It would have been fantastic if Goldfrapp had done the theme, as was originally rumored. And, having the theme start as that guy was crawling up the stairs then crescendo right as you see Bond standing there with the automatic, great closing moment. I think the great thing about this film was that you go there to see the Bond persona, but when he does finally appear, it's actually a depressing moment. When he becomes "Bond, James Bond," the guy we saw for most of this film dies.
 
 
Triplets
22:56 / 22.11.06
The movie started on a good foot by presenting a Bond who's not unbeatable, someone who can lose if he's up against the better person. Who wins because he'll resort to being a fucking evil bastard (not just because he's Bond).

And, compared to Brosnan etc, less of the techno-fetish commando and more Captain England. The opening chase - freerunner ninjas through the opening at the top of the wall

BOND GOES STRAIGHT THROUGH THE WALL. CLASS!
 
 
Spaniel
10:48 / 23.11.06
Oooh, Goldfrapp would've been good.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
10:58 / 23.11.06
NO it bloody wouldn't have! have you gone mad or something?!
 
  

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