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Evil Scientist
13:58 / 20.03.07
I guess what makes it okay that say Lazenby's Bond could say things like that is...well, unlike Craig's Bond, Lazenby didn't otherwise act like he read Mein Kampf with his morning Wheaties.

That's not something I saw in the CR Bond though. He's certainly more of a thug than the previous Bonds, in fact he gives the impression of being a rough-and-ready squaddie. What parts of his performance gave you the impression that he's some sort of fascist?

But then Bond would break out these too-cool high-tech pieces, electronics which in all honesty would make a rough-and-tumble character like this version of the character immaterial in the real world. I mean, the guy was able to patch himself into a conference with M overseas by what, sticking himself into his car's PC? It was just an uneven mix.

Again I saw nothing wrong with his car having a direct link to base. Communications technology like that is available today. I don't see how cutting edge computers and communications devices would make him immaterial (Le Chiffre would probably find it a little suss when the British Government haul in Deep Blue to play him).

I think CR found just the right balance of kewl technology. It should always be there as a theme of Bond not (as it became in the Prosnan years) almost more important than the story itself.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:01 / 20.03.07
buttergun, you do understand the difference between "having blonde hair" and "being a Nazi", right?
 
 
buttergun
14:28 / 20.03.07
>>buttergun, you do understand the difference between "having blonde hair" and "being a Nazi", right?<<

Hilarious! No, I was referring to my earlier post:

>>If Hitler had created an action hero, it would be Daniel Craig's James Bond -- an arrogant, super-fit, blond Aryan giant with no sympathy or emotions, who murders with ease and lives for nothing but the mission at hand.<<

The blonde hair just completes the picture.
 
 
buttergun
14:30 / 20.03.07
BTW, is that supposed to be the new Q -- the darkhaired, thin guy (who played Brutus in the fantastic "Rome" series) who reported to M?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:31 / 20.03.07
How tall is Daniel Craig?
 
 
Blake Head
17:18 / 20.03.07
A gigantic 5' 11".
 
 
buttergun
17:34 / 20.03.07
Oh yes, Flyboy...when you don't have a valid defense, result to pedantry. Yes, OF COURSE I meant "tall" when I used the adjective "giant," as that's the ONLY meaning of the word!

Of course, it also means "a person or thing of unusually great power." Hmmm...maybe THAT'S what I meant...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:17 / 20.03.07
Right. So if his hair and height are not the issue, you're saying Hitler's ideal action hero would be "an arrogant, super-fit [man] with no sympathy or emotions, who murders with ease and lives for nothing but the mission at hand".

"No emotions"/"nothing but the mission" is clearly not true of the Casino Royale Bond; "murders with ease" is more true of every other Bond. Perhaps when you said "Hitler" you meant to type "Ian Fleming"?
 
 
Evil Scientist
18:30 / 20.03.07
I'm just wondering, Buttergun, if the only reason you're reading this portral of Bond as veering towards the Godwin Zone is simply because of his blond hair and blue eyes?

He's not displayed anything that other Bonds haven't (--cough-- Dalton --cough-- Connery)
 
 
matthew.
14:41 / 23.03.07
I just watched this yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised. I heard it was good, but I didn't know it was that good. Until the end of course. The third (and a half) act was overlong and uninspired. I didn't even know who Bond was fighting in the sinking building.

For me, the best part of the film was the "parkour" sequence near the beginning. That was fantastic. My body was actually tense. They scale construction cranes and then keep chasing. It just seemed perfect.

Bond as a blunt instrument works better for me because he's arrogant, egotistic, self-centred. A more textured character, a more interesting character. Watching Bond make a mistake is more fascinating than seeing him whip out a gadget that's perfectly suited for the moment.

I look forward to the next Bond.
 
 
buttergun
16:40 / 23.03.07
>>if the only reason you're reading this portral of Bond as veering towards the Godwin Zone is simply because of his blond hair and blue eyes?<<

Okay, the part that did it for me, which made me realize this new Bond is "emotionless, Nazi-like, etc," was about an hour into the film. I'd been having some trouble with the movie from the beginning, but the breaking point was when he rendezvoused with M on the beach. The scene where the corpse of the woman Bond had been with the night before was hanging in a hammock. And Bond displayed NO emotion at all. M even said something like, "I'd say distancing yourself would be helpful, but I see you won't have a problem with that."

All I could think was, even Timothy Dalton's Bond would have shown SOME emotion at the sight of that corpse. What's more, M twisted the knife in, saying how she'd been tortured, etc. But was our hero Bond upset in the least? Hell, no. He was only concerned about the mission.

So no, I'm not saying Craig's Bond is a heartless Nazi "just because he's blond."

I knew something was up with this film when the opening credits just showed images of Craig's Bond murdering people. Great, just what we need today, another character who only knows how to kill people.
 
 
This Sunday
19:15 / 23.03.07
I liked it better than the last few, I'll give it that. An I'll give them credit for the torture scene, and having the balls to do it, though I take back some of that credit for them giving James his balls back quite so quickly, for the follow-up sexing of Vesper. And for Vesper's new, more elaborate and forgivable betrayal reasoning.

I like that people are suddenly all: Bond is homoerotic and sociopathic! Which, for those of us looking at the films through a lens of the books and proper rational thinking it out, of course he is! Connery's Bond was a prick, the 80s' bond was a robot too smug, and y'know, the most generally functional and stable Bond was Woody Allen. To reiterate: the most stable was Woody 'my neuroses are trained to kill' Allen!
And, y'know, at this point, you have to start over again and work it closer to the source. It's that, or dress up Sean and put him to work... and then you've got 'The Rock' which stood as the finest Bond film plausible for what, ten to twenty years?

I did miss the entirely deranged musings on French navel construction, though, and much else of the Bond doing jack shit because he's kinda the sort who'd rather just lie around on the beach if he doesn't have to beat the shit out of people.

The drywall action was topnotch, though. That needs to increase in each new film, the way sequels to a movie with a bomb generally increase the number of explosives each time. Or the way 'Snakes on a Plane 2' will just be called 'Flying Anaconda of Doom'.
 
 
buttergun
19:50 / 23.03.07
>>Bond doing jack shit because he's kinda the sort who'd rather just lie around on the beach if he doesn't have to beat the shit out of people.<<

I once read where some film critic said Roger Moore was the best Bond because that's exactly the type of Bond he played, and that's exactly the type of Bond Fleming wrote.

I didn't think Moore was the best Bond because he looked like a Girl Scout could beat him up. And the leisure suits didn't do much for me.
 
 
Benny the Ball
20:20 / 23.03.07
He was only good in Live and Let Die. Connery's Bond initially prided himself on being a tough, nasty, cold, no nonsense type (just look at Dr No's famous "That's a Smith and Weston, and you've had your six shots" moment, cold blooded killing of an effectively unarmed man). Dalton only "humanised" Bond because it was post Tracey's death, which, to Dalton, who was being literal in his portrayal, took as the moment that broke Bond (read the books and see how broken he is in the last four or five portrayals). Bond is all about the job, that's what the books constantly tell you, and it's just a matter of how much punishement he can take to get it done. There are moments where he seems, despite it being constantly mentioned that he is detatched from women, to want to open up and get close - but that is more because of the format rather than a character development. He fell for Vespa, until her betrayal, and he loved Tracey - the rest have just interested him in a "perhaps when the job is done something might happen" kind of way. Let us not forget what the double 0 actually stands for though.
 
 
Blake Head
00:04 / 24.03.07
My impression of all the Bonds up till now was that they were spies and rakes whose interaction with female characters was dually business and pleasure, that they were cynical, inconstant and commonly dismissive of the worth of the women they became involved with because that was their character, and if they could use women to get to what or who they wanted then they would, and enjoy themselves along the way if at all possible.

With this Bond, I read in his actions towards Solange, the sense of calculation in getting her to notice him, the fact that he leaves her hanging to go chase after her husband, the idea that this Bond wasn’t conflicted at all about whether business or pleasure took priority. I’m partly basing that on a possible over-reading of something he says later to Vesper, about her not being his type because she was single. For me that hints on the idea that Bond never has a personal connection to Solange in the first place, he was under no illusions that he was manipulating her to get to Dimitrios, because he’s already accustomed to playing the part of a kind of reverse femme-fatale in getting close to the partners of influential men. Which would lead into a more modern reasoning for why the Bonds are always portrayed as attractive, seductive men, and particularly why there’s been greater emphasis on Craig’s Bond as being genuinely attractive rather than just arrogant and suave. So to buttergun I’d say, whether it ties in with your idea of what Bond should be or not, to me it was clear that this Bond was being used differently than before, and as M points out it wasn’t just that he was able to remain detached from Solange’s death, but that he had purposefully never made an emotional connection with her that in any sense wasn’t occluded by his focus on the job. Which is fairly weird and inhuman to begin with. Which if we choose to read it like that makes his opening up to Vesper all the more significant.

Beyond that I agree with matt. The conclusion to the film felt odd and artificial, as did some of the dialogue, but the rest was gripping stuff. The action scenes had me, as with matt, physically tense trying to follow the action, which I think must be the mark of a good thriller. I think it’s a combination of two things, that much as we might not want to too closely identify with Bond, he’s a strong, intensely portrayed character that we want to find out more about, and he’s a character that takes calculated risks which seem genuine because he’s neither perfect or invulnerable. I’m looking forward to seeing more of that Bond.
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
22:25 / 24.03.07
Am I the only person who thinks that plot-turns via mobile phone texts are possibly the crappest idea in cinema history? oooh how thrilling. Bond...JAMES Bond...licence to TEXT (but only on a Sony Erickson).

Some of it was fairly brave...but nowhere near as much, or as convincingly, as the hype led me to believe. Basically it was a half decent film which was about a half more decent than the last couple of Bond films. Plus it had that dude from green Butchers - him ace!!
 
 
Benny the Ball
10:29 / 25.03.07
You're almost there - the worst dramatic tool when it comes to phones is when there is no signal at the key moment, or the battery is just about to run out! Noooooooo!!!! I must stop this international terrorist, but, er, does anyone have a nokia charger?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:40 / 26.12.07
I did enjoy this, having just seen it, I'm really just bumping this up to remind myself to read the thread in detail at some later point when I'm not up to my ears in mince pies. It's certainly the first Bond film that has made me want to read the books, the first action film I've seen in ages not drowned in The New Seriousness and the first film to show me Daniel Craig's nipples. I will sleep well tonight.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
01:26 / 27.12.07
the first film to show me Daniel Craig's nipples

Man, now I want to rewatch it...
 
  

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