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Saveloy
08:08 / 26.05.06
Mister Disco:

"See, the myth that the 80's were all glam and fun and the 90's were all angsty doesn't hold up if you look beyond the, uh, marketing ploys. Heaps of amazing, influential, 'angsty' musicians were making their best stuff in the 80's. Like the Pixies."

I heartily agree with the thrust of your thingummybob, but I would never describe the Pixies as angsty. There was a sense of geek frustration in there, maybe, but the music was a cathartic channeling of it, rather than a wallowing in the misery of it all. And it wasn't "complaint rock", either. You listened to it for pleasure.

'Serious issues' were evident in the culture of both decades, but I reckon the 80s version was less introverted and... vague... than the 90s. In the 80s the issues seemed simple and eternal - class war (and the working classes were the *goodies*, gasp!), the struggle for equality and recognition, mainstream vs underground, Thatcher! etc - and you had no trouble picking sides.

90s doom was all inward looking - "I hate myself and I want to die" - and misanthropic - "I hate the world, everyone is so *stupid*, wah!"

"What about 80s goth, eh? Surely that was all about personal gloom and vague angsty stuff?"

No! Goth in the 80s was FUN. It was all about dressing up and trying to look sexy and mysterious and romantic. Or cartoon scary and silly. There was a touch of earnestness about it, a dollop of pretence, yeah, but it was *never* about showing the world how miserable you were. That was what the Smiths were for (and gawd bless 'em for it, I say!)
 
 
Saveloy
08:40 / 26.05.06
Ooh, and here's my chance to do my dodgy summation of the culture of the decades as a "seven ages of man" thing:

The 70s = TODDLER. Uncomplicated joy, dressing up, and tantrums.

The 80s = TEENAGER. Sex maniac / moody sixth-former. Earnest. Pretentious. Ambitious. Money to spend from first job. Still likes dressing up but more to impress now. Wants the world to know how brilliant they are.

The 90s = UNDERGRAD. Cynical smart arse, hedonist, nihilist, misanthrope. Wants the world to know how much better they are than it.

The 00s = GRUMPY OLD GIT. World falls apart, bits fall off. Hate the young. Nothing works. Wants the world to know how angry they are with it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:36 / 26.05.06
Haha, not at all coloured by personal experience or age, eh?
 
 
Saveloy
09:38 / 26.05.06
Of course not! It's based on years of completely objective research and analysis.
 
 
Cat Chant
12:32 / 26.05.06
wasn't one of those women Beryl Reid, of (amongst others) The Killing of Sister George?

YES SHE VERY MUCH WAS.
 
  

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