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Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:05 / 24.05.06
Whilst baby-boomers would have us believe the fallacy that the 60s and 70s were good it's difficult to find anyone to speak up for the 80s. Sure you've got Echo and the Bunnymen and The Empire Strikes Back but is it truly the most hated decade in living memory, or is it just me?
 
 
unbecoming
18:23 / 24.05.06
shall we list pros and cons?

cons: mullets, Thatcher.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:24 / 24.05.06
An odd question.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
18:28 / 24.05.06
Taking the question properly serious, like, isn't it a bit silly to conceive of a decade that was all good or all bad- I mean, if you had fun in the 80's you're going to be into it, if not, not?
 
 
Quantum
18:32 / 24.05.06
I fucking hated everything about the 80s for years, now I'm grudgingly prepared to admit some good things came out of it (Smiths, Ghostbusters, my S/O). But not much. And every time I think of the decade every other thought about it is tainted by Thatcher.
 
 
Chiropteran
18:35 / 24.05.06
There's been rather a lot of 80's nostalgia in the U.S. lately, FWIW. It's now officially Past enough to be Retro. There's been a lot of "You Know You Grew Up In The Eighties If..." pseudo-pride going around (I get the odd splash of it, myself). I've talked to several teenagers who have lamented being born too late, after "all the cool Eighties shit" happened.

In the U.S., I think the Eighties are popularly viewed, in rose-tinted hindsight, as a Big Exciting Decade when everything was Big and Bold and Wonderful, from the hair to the arena rock shows. It's long ago enough that some of the embarrassment has worn off, and even the ironic reclamation of the decade is giving way to "genuine" retro-cool.

I could be talking garbage, though - my finger is not always quite on the pulse of fashion.

I suspect there might possibly be a US/UK split here, too - Thatcher and Reagan were both conservative gargoyles, but I think a lot of Americans (and not just Republicans) remember him (and his era) fondly. Regardless of what he actually said or did to people, he had a good TV smile and when the cameras were on him, he became everyone's ol' grampa. Thatcher, on the other hand, was genuinely frightening. I think (from what I've read, at least - someone correct/confirm/elaborate?) that people in the UK associate the Plastic Decade with more day-to-day unpleasantness than people in the US, speaking very broadly. Again, I may be speaking utter garbage.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
19:25 / 24.05.06
I have a great appreciation of the eighties, from a pop culture standpoint (fuck Reagan). A couple examples:

The angst that permeates the nineties and this decade so far was almost completely absent. The awful popular music was so much more fun then. Everything was coked-up and glam whereas the nineties were all heroin and being angsty. I'm sick as fuck of angsty. Angsty brought us emo and Nickelback. I'll take any cheesey eighties synth-pop band over 90% of the garbage I hear on the radio today, when I'm forced into a situation where I have to listen to it. I'd rather listen to every Flock of Seagulls song than listen to one minute of fucking Nickelback or any of their peers.

Also, the horror movies in the eighties kicked ass. They always had their tongues planted firmly in their cheeks while the gore was spraying. Freddy and Pinhead would crack wise as they were eviscerating you. It was good fun for a horror movie fan. Now it's all so dreary and ugly and yuck. I've heard the new breed of horror movies categorized as "torture porn," and it seems appropriate. There's no fun to be had in those flicks. Give me Hellraiser 3 over those fucking mean-spirited Saw movies or the terible remakes being put out every week. We do NOT need a remake of The Omen, thank you very much.

I realize that I'm generalizing to a massive degree, but I think the eighties were more fun in general, so there.
 
 
ibis the being
19:36 / 24.05.06
Lepidopteran, your analysis is right on. "I Love the 80s" has been huge in the US for a few years (hence the VH1 show of the same name). Sadly for me, I just can't relate. In the 80s I was a sheltered little Christian churchgoer and 90% of popular culture was banned in my house. Worse, I was so God-fearing I didn't even try to sneak it at other people's houses. Every time conversation turns to 80s nostalgia, I can't participate except by wowing everyone with how fucked up and deprived my childhood was. Goonies? Never saw it. Michael Jackson? Never heard it. He-man and She-Ra? Banned, baby, banned.
 
 
matthew.
19:57 / 24.05.06
There's this girl I know who only listens to Eighties music. Not because it's cool right now to be into the Eighties, but because she only listens to the Eighties. And not just the critically acclaimed stuff from the decade (Smiths, etc) but the bunk as well. As in everything else.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
20:15 / 24.05.06
(For the record, I was born in 1985.)

I guess a lot of the music I listen to is from the '80s but that's more luck than anything else. I happen to be into post-punk so I listen to a lot of Wire, Gang of Four, that sort of thing. I'm into punk, too, a lot of which comes from the 80s, obviously. I think it's mostly coincidence, though- I certainly listen to plenty of contemporary music.

Certain elements of 80s pop culture I love- I watch MacGyver, Knight Rider, and The A-Team, for instance, and there's a certain level of kitsch/cheesiness that seems inherent in a lot of 80s TV that I really like. TV seems much more glossy and sophisticated now, though that may largely be due to the quality of special effects/film/etc.

I simply love 80s action movies, too. Loads of one liners? Check. Repressed homoeroticism? Check. Over-the-top deaths? Check. Synth-heavy soundtrack? Check check CHECK.

Not sure all this adds up to a love of the 80s in and of themselves though. More a love for certain elements of '80s culture (eg certain musical movements, certain styles of filmmaking and television).

(I hate Reagan too.)
(That must mean I hate America. Damn.)
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
20:20 / 24.05.06
I simply love 80s action movies, too. Loads of one liners? Check. Repressed homoeroticism? Check. Over-the-top deaths? Check. Synth-heavy soundtrack? Check check CHECK.

YES. Action movies were better then, too.
 
 
sleazenation
20:55 / 24.05.06
Well, we were so poor that we couldn't afford to have the 80s and were forced to live through the 70s again until the fall of the Berlin wall...
 
 
Whisky Priestess
20:58 / 24.05.06
I watch MacGyver, Knight Rider, and The A-Team,

Join usssss ...

My adulation of the 1980s knows few bounds. What are a few miners' strikes to the magnificence that was (and by all accounts, given the reviews of their new album, is again) the glory of the Pet Shop Boys? (Not to mention Depeche Mode, New Order, Prince etc.)

Plus, that decade inspired the greatest American novel since The Great Gatsby (whose dark flipside it surely is) - American Psycho. How can I not love it with all my twisted heart?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:49 / 24.05.06
And not just the critically acclaimed stuff from the decade (Smiths, etc) but the bunk as well. As in everything else.

Jesus Jehoshophat Christ.

GET Y'SELF AN EDUCATION!
 
 
matthew.
22:13 / 24.05.06
Well, why don't you educate me, O Great Wise Scholar?

Christ in a sidecar!
 
 
Quantum
22:37 / 24.05.06
The angst that permeates the nineties and this decade so far was almost completely absent.

Except the cold war between the US and USSR which constantly threatened global nuclear armageddon. Haven't you seen Terminator?
 
 
ibis the being
22:46 / 24.05.06
Except the cold war between the US and USSR which constantly threatened global nuclear armageddon.

Oh yeah... when I was in grade school my best friend told me the "Reds" were coming to bomb us from their airplanes. I still remember cowering every time a plane flew over the playground at school. I love the 80s!!
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
22:46 / 24.05.06
And yet the eighties weren't steeped in angst the way the nineties were, when the Cold War was over. Haven't you seen Red Dawn?
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
22:48 / 24.05.06
Note: I'm talking about pop culture only!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:13 / 24.05.06
I absolutely love a lot of the 80s pop culture stuff. I was born in 71, so it was my stuff. The first records I bought, the first TV programmes I cared enough about to get into fights in the playground over...

What I do hate is the "ironic" love of the 80s. Some of us actually LIKE Ultravox (yes, even with Midge Ure) and Visage. I don't just dance to this shit cos it's funny!

And let's not forget the 80s' crowning achievement- Strawberry motherfucking Switchblade.

And no, I'm NOT taking the piss. "Since Yesterday" is as close to perfect pop music as I think I'll ever be lucky enough to get within hearing distance of. Their album is definitely among my top ten albums of all time. Strawberry Switchblade fucking rule.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:37 / 25.05.06
Well, why don't you educate me, O Great Wise Scholar?

matt, you don't have to be a great wise scholar to have an inkling that perhaps in the span of 10 years, there might be more than one decent band in the UK, let alone the world. The 1980s started with post-punk, saw the birth of house and basically dance music as we know it, and were a crucial time in the development of hip hop, and that's before you even acknowledge the pop giants of the era (Prince? Madonna? Nothing there for you at all?), or the New Romantics, or... It's not my job to educate you. Educate yourself.
 
 
Sax
08:06 / 25.05.06
Plus, at least the fascists had the good fucking grace to wear blue in the Eighties.
 
 
Sax
08:11 / 25.05.06
Also: Withnail & I, The Breakfast Club, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Warrior magazine, Acid house and all the music Fly said, Knight Rider, Transfuckingformers, London Fields, City of Glass, Less Than Zero...
 
 
Cat Chant
09:58 / 25.05.06
Oh, God, yeah, Strawberry Switchblade.

The 80s were particularly good for feminist/lesbian culture, oddly enough. I was watching Earthshock (a Doctor Who adventure from 1982) the other day and it had, like, six female supporting & minor characters in. Six brilliant female characters - soldiers and starship captains and 2-i-cs - who mostly weren't any prettier than the male ones (which isn't very pretty at all on the BBC in 1982), and who didn't have to go round being WOMEN all the time, they just got on with their jobs. You don't see that any more.

Also Dykes to Watch Out For started in 1985. And a bit later on, Hothead Paisan. Great years.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
16:57 / 25.05.06
21 Jump Street. Also Bronski Beat.

See, the myth that the 80's were all glam and fun and the 90's were al angsty doesn't hold up if you look beyond the, uh, marketing ploys. Heaps of amazing, influential, 'angsty' musicians were making their best stuff in the 80's. Like the Pixies.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:01 / 25.05.06
Deva, wasn't one of those women Beryl Reid, of (amongst others) The Killing of Sister George?
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
17:02 / 25.05.06
Yes, but they weren't in the mainstream. Angsty wasn't Top-40 in the eighties. The nineties commercialized the Pixies and their brethren and shat them out as nineties angst-rock.

Also... Voltron!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:15 / 25.05.06
Angsty wasn't Top-40 in the eighties.

Vienna? And I seem to recall the Cure being on Top of the Pops fairly regularly.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
17:41 / 25.05.06
That's true about the Cure, Stoatie. I'm thinking it's more the exception than the rule, though. Also, they were bigger in the UK than over here, I think. I can base my opinions only on the US.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:00 / 25.05.06
Ah, that'll be it. We were miserable WAY before it became fashionable.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:01 / 25.05.06
Although looking back, I was a goth in the 80s, and the mass media seemed to cater plenty for my tastes.
 
 
Spaniel
18:21 / 25.05.06
I would just like to point out, in case anyone hadn't noticed, that 80s trends have been informing British fashion - both sartorial and musical - for more than a couple of years now.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
21:35 / 25.05.06
Anyone here jonesing for both the 1980s and cracking sci-fi is urged to read Double Vision by Tricia Sullivan, which in addition to being clever, original, perceptive, heartfelt and several other adjectives I'd have arranged to appear in the blurb under ideal circumstances, is crammed with beautifully pitched 1984-era pop culture touchstones: Rush, D&D, Max Headroom, Prince, karate classes, Synchronicity, Max Factor, Pop Rocks*, Dune, Mister Mister... it's a hypercylinder of retro wonders. Plus it has a heroine who is overweight and unapologetic and stays that way, has a cat called Nebula and wishes the men she meets were more like the ones in Anne McCaffrey novels. If any part of that appeals to you, please investigate.

*To the British, Space Dust.
 
 
Quantum
01:36 / 26.05.06
Haven't you seen Red Dawn?
I own it on VHS. It's shit. Sway-zee and Sheen go around executing Russians in cold blood and pretending not to fancy each other.

And on the '80s being angst-free, The Cure has already been mentioned, but may I just say this? Angst=Smiths=80s
Simple logic.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
03:06 / 26.05.06
Smiths=UK.

They were way underground over here. Pop culture, remember.

And Red Dawn is the shit.
 
  

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