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The Strobe
11:16 / 30.05.06
So, essentially, I really hate the Chili Peppers.

Except I quite like some songs. I particularly their silly, scratchy funk numbers; Love Rollercoaster, Aeroplane; this kind of nonsense. It doesn't take itself seriously, and is better for it.

So whilst the jury's out for me (I can't say I hate them 100%, more like 95%), I can categorically state that I hate Anthony Kiedis.

The rest of the band are, relatively, musically talented; I enjoy Flea's bass riffs, for instance. I want to shoot Kiedis, though; he sings like a man obsessed with his own vowel sounds - the same vowel comes out a billion different ways over the course of a song, and when he finds a particularly awkward pronunciation, he gurns harder to make it more obvious. It's childish and irritating - he's got no consistency, and I find his absurd pronunication really, really annoying.

Also, I find the band surprisingly anodyne, and not in any way edgy; I get the feeling that their rough edges have been smoothed off in the past few years.

Ah yes, I've found an easy and highly perjorative way to explain it: in my first year at University, Californication was the choice record of an archetype classified as a "Gap Year Casualty". It's fairly self explanatory, I feel, and entirely apt. Supposedly "people of the world", they were in fact no less anodyne or more interesting than the rest of us.
 
 
PatrickMM
15:51 / 30.05.06
Trying to clarify here, my basic point is that cultural perceptions of something can influence your opinion of it. If you're constantly hearing how great something is, it will make you expect more than you would from a band you hadn't heard of before. I'm not saying that people don't like them because they're popular, I'm saying that the fact that they're popular can turn influence your opinion negatively. Because their songs are constantly getting played, you're more likely to call them the worst band ever than a band that isn't particularly successful.

It's the same thing that would make people say a movie like Brokeback Mountain was "alright, but a bit overrated. I'm not even a particularly big fan, I'm just saying that their consistent praise and popularity will have an effect on one's perception of the band. But that doesn't ignore the fact that different material can also change your perception, contrary to what George Bush would have you believe, it is quite possible to change your mind about something, and especially with music, I'll sometimes find that something I used to like just doesn't sound as good as it used to when I first heard it.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:12 / 30.05.06
Trying to clarify here, my basic point is that cultural perceptions of something can influence your opinion of it. If you're constantly hearing how great something is, it will make you expect more than you would from a band you hadn't heard of before.

And, trying to clarify, I'm aasking you to show an example in this thread of that process being with nailed-on certainty what has happened in even one of the descriptions of what people think of the RHCPs in this thread, much less that this is what is happening with "most people in this thread".

Since it seems that what people constantly hear about the RHCPs on the strength of this thread is that they are good, all right, mediocre, bad or shit (delete as applicable), what effect will that have on the listener? Will it all balance out?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:12 / 30.05.06
On Dani California - I quite like it, or rather I like the verses and I like the video. It seems a little overlong and repetitive, but the main problem I have with it is the thrashing that Kiedis gives his vowel sounds (Paleface has uncovered a beautiful truth) in the chorus. This didn't happen in "Give it Away"... perhaps the danger signs were in "Under the Bridge", where at times he does start a disturbing lowing...
 
 
Cherielabombe
21:13 / 30.05.06
There may be a reason Dani California's so catchy.
 
 
Quantum
10:32 / 31.05.06
Petty Theft! Hah!
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
13:04 / 06.10.06
"Toad Trippin'"

Of course i actually meant "Road Trippin'"... but i think "Toad Trippin'" is probably a much better title for a song...

To attempt to revive this thread, as someone fairly alien to the genre (s) of music that the RHCP represent, what would be the kind of stuff that people who don't like the RHCP would regard as belonging to the same genre(s), but actually good?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:58 / 07.10.06
Depends how tightly you're defining genre: obviously the more narrow the definition, i.e. the more similar to "the funky Flea" in sound you get, the fewer the number of bands who are any good at all.
 
 
haus of fraser
12:16 / 08.10.06
To attempt to revive this thread, as someone fairly alien to the genre (s) of music that the RHCP represent, what would be the kind of stuff that people who don't like the RHCP would regard as belonging to the same genre(s), but actually good?

I still think of RHCP's as a band who had their heyday in the late 80's early 90's Alt/ funk rock boom- so their contemporaries would have been Fishbone, Faith No More, Janes Addiction, Primus etc.

I should add that many of these bands have their own sound- but both Janes addiction and Fishbone have swapped members with RHCPs for brass section/ tours etc.

Faith No More broke big around the same time as the RHCP- and were always lumped together with them in the music press around that time- although the fans tend not to like the comparison- and FNM are less pop/ punk wacky and have more old school metal roots.

Primus did the super fast flea slap funky bass thing- but with a jazzed up weird element also a lot less pop- i think they sing the south park music for a point of reference...

In terms of which of those is any good- for my money Janes Addictions first two proper studio albums 'Nothing's Shocking' ('Idiots Rule' features Flea and Fishbones Angelo Moore on horns) and 'Ritual De Lo Habitual' are both outstanding- and stand the test of time- if you've not listened then check em out- sadly IMHO their reformed output has been well below par...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:35 / 09.10.06
Yeah, what he said as regards Jane's. "Ritual..." is one of those albums that you look for in everyone's house, and think slightly less of them if you don't find it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:51 / 09.10.06
I respectfully disagree.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:52 / 09.10.06
Faith No More, though - they were good. But watch the video for 'Epic', and then think: does Mike Patton dress, sing and act like that anymore? No, he does not. And "the Chilis" do. So fuck them.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:09 / 09.10.06
Yeah, but Epic was when Faith No More weren't actually very good, imho.
 
 
The Falcon
22:36 / 09.10.06
Yeah, spot on. I mean, that was the one thing that came to mind as really like the funky Flea, and is actually pretty horrible - Patton doing the tortured vowels and that, but he was a young lad and had just joined a big group. I liked it when I was 14, mind, and 'The Morning After', that's alright. Beyond that, they don't come close, on 'Angel Dust' & everything after, to sounding like RHCP and even on that album there's things like 'Surprise! You're Dead' which the other band couldn't ever, you know, do.
 
 
The Falcon
22:38 / 09.10.06
God, Fishbone. I really thought I'd like them as a yout, but I never. Bit more Bad Brains-y in places, hein?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:36 / 10.10.06
So, Fly... which FNM did you actually mean there, when you said they were "good"?
 
 
Pepsi Max
09:36 / 15.10.06
I find Kleidis very annoying - for probably the same reasons as others do. His confusion of "soul" with vocal gynamstics (which he doesn't have quite the lightness of touch to pull off) make him a perfect candidate for one of the Pop Idol franchises. His tortured-poet-jacking-up-with-trust-fund-fratboy persona also gives me the shits. Plus he probably gets laid more than me despite being about 70.

I have a big issue with newer, more mature RHCP that surfaced post-Californication. I just find them boring and non-descript. In theory I can see how their music might touch people but in practice it's James Blunt with a fuzzbox. It is surrounded by 50-foot signs saying "mature, grouwn-up". Which only highlights their inability to mature past puberty ("Eh, Tony, hur, hur, hur", "Hey, Flea, Flea, hur, hur, hur").

**** em & the Thunderbird Convertible they rode in on.
 
 
Gendudehashadenough
21:42 / 01.03.07
From "Snow (Hey Oh)" to "21 Century" might possibly be one of the best track and individual song progression I've heard in a good long while. All in all the album has some lackluster portions, like that of the tracks directly after the one's I mention ("Stadium Arcadium" is not a particularly great song) the album has moments that, to my ears, simply defy and pop (rock) music convention currently influencing mainstream music.

Unfortunately, I can only definitively comment (lately) that it's vastly superior to "Californication" in many ways other than the double CDness and the non-comebackness of it.
 
  

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