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Mistoffelees
18:49 / 23.05.06
I searched and we seem to not have a RHCP thread yet.

I´ll buy the new album for € 9.99 (!) tomorrow, and the critics have been very favourable to it, so I´m looking forward to listening to it.

When I hear some songs like Aeroplane, they remind me of the childlike Ringo Starr/Beatles songs. Their music is like never becoming a boring 9 to 5 adult, always cruising through life in a irresponsible devil-may-care way. It´s like the soundtrack to California, like it is always portrayed in the movies.

So anybode else like/hate the Peppers?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:03 / 23.05.06
I hate them, and once considered starting a thread to see if they were the only band nobody on Barbelith would be willing to defend. Then I thought about it and decided it would be an ugly scene.

They are, though, really, the worst band in the history of the world.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
19:14 / 23.05.06
Here's my two cents:

I don't hate RHCP. But I don't love them either. I think they can range from really fantastic songs ("Taste the Pain," "True Men Don't Kill Coyotes," "Knock Me Down") to truly awful (almost all of Bloodsugarsexmagik). I admit to liking the stuff they've put out in the past couple of years and I think the reason why I like it is it sounds more and more like a eulogy for California as opposed to previous works, which were more like love letters. And if you know me, I love a good eulogy.
 
 
Mistoffelees
19:40 / 23.05.06
They are, though, really, the worst band in the history of the world.

Are you sure? What about the Scorpions?

"follow the moskva down to gorky park..."

I can understand, why many people don´t like them, but they are faaar from being the worst band in history.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
19:45 / 23.05.06
Yeah, that spot's already been reserved for Dave Matthews Band.
 
 
GogMickGog
19:47 / 23.05.06
Oh Flyboy, with that single post I have fallen deeply and irreversibly in love with you.

I loathe this band. From their cock-rocking funk phase to the modern age of videos 'inspired' by obscure artists, they irritate the tits off me.

For shame, really, as John Frusciante has released some stirringly beautfiul solo records and is wasted on such a bunch of tattooed fatheads.
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
19:58 / 23.05.06
If anything, me and this forum shall unite in hate!
That's two bands that I hate now, and everyone in New Hampshire seems to love.

I just find their music to be grating, and for the most part all the same.
That new single sounds like everything else they've done, to be honest.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:04 / 23.05.06
The temptation to suggest that the topic summary of this thread needs to be corrected to remove the factual error that is the word "funky" before the word "Flea" is very strong, very strong indeed.

I once had a conversation in the pub with a fellow Barbelith poster, in which he was gently chastising me for judging people for liking certain music.

"There is no band so bad", he said, and I roughly paraphrase "That people can not have a good reason for liking them."

"That's true", I conceded.

There was a pause.

"Except the Red Hot Chili Peppers", I said.

"Except the Red Hot Chili Peppers", he said, nodding.
 
 
Bruno
20:28 / 23.05.06
I agree, whenever I am at a bar that plays a chili peppers song I feel like molotoving it.
 
 
Mistoffelees
20:38 / 23.05.06
I was suspecting something like this would happen, when I discovered, there was no Red Hot Chili Peppers thread, yet.

But there are threads for Pink Floyd and Metallica? O tempora, o mores!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:30 / 23.05.06
Aren't the Chili Peppers essentially just The Eagles for the Limp Bizkit generation though? They make so many things that should be interesting (blank LA nihilism, babes and trust fund surfer dudes with terrible drug problems in the Hollywood hills, the canker in the heart of Western ambition etc,) sound terrily dull.

And doesn't Anthony K sing a bit like a five year old, or a Sesame Street gonk?
 
 
The Falcon
22:04 / 23.05.06
The temptation to suggest that the topic summary of this thread needs to be corrected to remove the factual error that is the word "funky" before the word "Flea" is very strong, very strong indeed.

And replaced with an assonating 'cunty'? I can understand the impulse.

It's fair to bring up the Floyd, though, Mistof; sometimes I do wonder - are PF actually worse than RHCP? Is such a thing to be conceived of? They do give it a right good go, though.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:11 / 23.05.06
They certainly do. However:



The prosecution rests.
 
 
Mistoffelees
22:15 / 23.05.06
I encourage anyone who also likes them, to step forward and share. Don´t be worried, we´re all friends here.
 
 
The Falcon
23:13 / 23.05.06
Yeah, whatever, my best pal like(d? I hope, I think) them when we were growing up and he was always a bit (just a bit; my 'Steve' if you will) more of a hit with teh laydeez due to the lessons of the Kiedis, perhaps in part.

However, if that's former (odd body proportions-utilising) X-Factor and Image artist Larry Stroman helping Kiedo out with his book, I may perform volte-face.
 
 
Char Aina
23:27 / 23.05.06
uplift, mofo and freaky are all good albums, man.
i also quite like blood sugar.

people seem awfully down on the chilli's in my experience, but i dont get the hate.
they make some good music, and they make some pretty unique stuff on occasion.

there are some proper bliss spots on those four named albums, and it more than makes up for their shit sense of humour and occasional(more by the album...) shiters.

but hey.
they are way easier to hate than a lot of other bands, so dont let me get in the way of a good [mammal]pile.
 
 
The Falcon
23:42 / 23.05.06
I've heard all those (maybe not 'Uplift'?,) and must respectfully disagree, tokso. RHCP are just, and have ever been, a gruesome... melange. Yeah, that's the word.

I don't actually hate people for liking them, however; although it is quite difficult not to bridle when encoutering a Blood Sugar Sex Magic(k?) T on a person.
 
 
SteppersFan
07:23 / 24.05.06
There's always a reliable out-pouring of hate at the mention of RHCP . Considering they are such a popular band, it is remarkable how few of their fans come out in their support; I suspect a lot of them just don't frequent discussion forums.

Anyway, I really like a lot of old and new RHCP; some of the new stuff is a welcome return to volcanic funk rock. Blood Sugar Sex Magik is ace, even if it seems to have been given its title by a branding consultant idly flipping through the then trendy techno record racks and chaos magic bookshelves. The title track, Funky Monks, and Breaking the Girl stand comparison with anything in the funk-rock canon. Admittedly, that's not a high standard to meet, but they comfortably exceed it . Plus they sensibly hired George Clinton to produce them at the height of their drug consumption; less sensibly, Clinton was also at the height of his ingestion. Still, full marks for effort.

They do the business live too; I saw them in a club in Nottingham over a decade ago. Wicked version of Cross Town Traffic.
 
 
Lurid Archive
10:17 / 24.05.06
I like old RHCP, and I might give the new album a try, though I must say that the hate expressed here is the sort of thing that puts me off posting in the music. I don't think it is anything particularly bad with the Barbelith music forum in particular, but more of a general thing. Because its easy to dismiss someone as a worthless human being when they like the wrong band...only its a joke!!! Obviously, one can work past that and get some decent discussion going...I'm just saying that for someone like me who isn't obsessed with music, it doesn't really seem worth it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:32 / 24.05.06
Because its easy to dismiss someone as a worthless human being when they like the wrong band...

I'm sure it is! Hasn't been done here though, has it? So I'm not sure why that would put you off posting to the Music forum.

Actually I have to say that Mistoffelees has really impressed me with his attitude in this thread, encouraging people who do like the band to post whilst not getting defensive about the fact that lots of people don't like them.

But what really interests me is that he also says I can understand, why many people don´t like them, and that toksik, although he also says he doesn't "get" the hate, does say they are way easier to hate than a lot of other bands.

I can think of bands I'd say that about, but I'd still be interested to hear what the people who do like the RHCP think are the things about them that make them easier to hate, or that make it understandable that people hate them. Are they failings you acknowledge the band have or their music has even though your liking for their music overrides that, or things that you don't consider to be flaws but that you acknowledge other people do, or something else?
 
 
illmatic
11:09 / 24.05.06
I'd like someone to list why the Peppers are so hateable, beyond the music. So I'm not missing anything.

Flyboy, was it me nodding in the bar?
 
 
Lurid Archive
11:10 / 24.05.06
I'm sure it is! Hasn't been done here though, has it?

No, it hasn't. However, your anecdote was the "joke!!!" I was referring to. But since I'm here anyway...

I like tracks like Under the bridge, myself, which has some decent vocals along with a bit of a rocky theme and I tend to go for that mix. In that song in particular, I think they get the balance between going for it and tunefulness right. They don't always work for me, but I have no idea why people hate them so much.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:18 / 24.05.06
Well I like 'em. Good fun mindless summer music. OK, so Kiedis seems to forget that he's doing good fun midnless summer music on occasion and get a little up his own arse, but that's why I don't read interviews with them.

Not heard the new one, though. Not even the single. So I'm prepared to accept that that might be rubbish until I hear it.
 
 
Mistoffelees
11:20 / 24.05.06
Actually I have to say that Mistoffelees has really impressed me with his attitude in this thread, encouraging people who do like the band to post whilst not getting defensive about the fact that lots of people don't like them.

Wow, thank you, Flyboy!

I had anticipated, that there were thumbs down for the RHCP, because there was not yet a thread for them, and, I don´t know, somehow I expected it.

But as Schopenhauer has said, music is the greatest art form there is, because it touches us like no other art form can. And so emotions are always strongest where music is concerned.

I once had strong dislike reactions for music, too. I was exposed to German schlager and volksmusik (you have nothing like that in the UK or USA, not even Cliff Richards or the worst country music come close) by my parents for years, and so, say, Jon Bon Jovi or Cotton Eye Joe can´t disturb my zen-like state towards "bad" music anymore.

I´ll go buy the record this afternoon, but tomorrow is a holiday and I´ll be busy friday, so it might be a few days, before you can enjoy reading my Stadium Arcadium critique.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:55 / 24.05.06
Hmmm... I remember liking Under the Bridge, but I think a point was reached eventually where the shapelessness of the verse and the spectacularly irritating nature of the crescendo - the drawn-out "wayyyyyyyyy"s in particular, followed by the chorale wore me down to a nub, before one even got to the bit where it doesn't actually have an end per se, just a jazz noodle.

More recently, I've found their fixation on a) stretching out the last line of a chorus to the length of the folllowing bar and b) California more numbing than anything else. Hearing, say, the fluting up of "Rollercoaster", followed by the irksome comedy drawl of "of laaahhhv", one does not really need to hear the rest of the song, because one has in fact just heard the entire song - there's a fractal quality to the RHCP, where usually about six seconds will do you.

However, more broadly, why does this lead to such scabrous contempt? Perhaps part of the problem lies in an awareness that much of the RHCP's early work struck many of us at a time when we were susceptible to finding if not actively admirable at least temptingly divorced from our own befringed, rainy lives - pectoral muscles, shouting, slappy bass. Perhaps their sin is that they have not changed and we have; stylistically and, vitally, aesthetically. I mean, not only does Kiedis look like an arse on the cover of "Scart Issue", he looks like an arse who has not given serious thought to that haircut for well over a decade. Is it shame at our yoounger selves that makes them so easy to hate?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:02 / 24.05.06
Not personally. I mean, for all Lurid's talk of the cool kids sneering at the Peppettes, when I was a lad RHCP fans were the closest thing you got to indie jocks, pre-Oasis crossing over.
 
 
Chiropteran
12:54 / 24.05.06
This thread baffles me. I've never encountered this kind of scorn for the Red Hot Chili Peppers before (admittedly, Western Massachusetts is something of a backwater, but still...). What exactly is so objectionable about them?

Blood Sugar Sex Magik is still one of my favorite albums, say what you will. I'm sure nostalgia plays a part in that, since BSSM was one of my first "rock" albums in highschool, but it still holds up for me (after 15 years and alongside vastly expanded musical exposure) as an excellent and well-crafted album.

Yes, people's tastes vary - but while I can understand people not liking RHCP, what's all this talk about them (and BSSM specifically) being "bad"? They are good musicians and, at their best, they are very good at what they do.
 
 
SteppersFan
12:56 / 24.05.06
The issue is that RHCP has been embraced by the Daily Telegraph, which, for American readers, is a little like becoming the in-house favourite rebellious rock band of the Fox News Network.

Which RHCP probably are.

It's interesting that people are nervous of posting on Music - I actually think it's the easiest forum to post to.

I am given to understand that Flea has an unimpeachable pedigree in hardcore as a member of the LA punk band Fear. So that makes everything alright then.

So would people like a thread on the new folk / folktronica / wryd folk? Bet there's some fans round here...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:07 / 24.05.06
Well, I think one can reasonably say that they are very good at what they dom, which is use their musical talents to make essentially bad music. No problem or contradiction there.

2stepfan - when you say the issue is that RHCP has been embraced by the Daily Telegraph, do you mean that they get good reviews in the Telegraph? Perhaps that is the pleasure and the pain of a band with an ageing fanbase - if you were 16 when Blood Sugar Sex Magic came out, you might now be about the right age to review albums for the Daily Telegraph. Having said which, Flyboy and I clearly had different experiences of the Chilis as teenagers, so it's probably difficult to be prescriptive about that.
 
 
Chiropteran
13:41 / 24.05.06
essentially bad music

And that's what I don't understand. What supposedly makes it "essentially bad?"
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:48 / 24.05.06
Ah, well, that's another question. You said:

Yes, people's tastes vary - but while I can understand people not liking RHCP, what's all this talk about them (and BSSM specifically) being "bad"? They are good musicians and, at their best, they are very good at what they do.

To give another example. Steve Vai is, I think we can all agree, a very goood musician. At his best, he is very good at what he does. What he does is make bad music at very high level of technical proficiency. You see?
 
 
Lurid Archive
13:56 / 24.05.06
I don't really see, Haus. I mean, sure, you don't like them and I do and thats that....but I don't get what it is about them that makes them disliked in the way that people are expressing here. Theres some broader cultural context that I'm missing, I guess, that makes them hateworthy. Your comments shed some light on that, in a way that made a lot of sense to me, but I'm finding it hard to believe that thats really all there is to it - a convert's hate, that reminds of a stupid youth. Then again...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:06 / 24.05.06
Well, personally I don't hate them, so maybe the convert's hatred is a reach, as I proposed it and Flyboy immediately nixed it. I find them a bit embarrassing - there's something awfully avuncular about them for me - but I'm sure they'll cope. Musically, bad is of course subjective - I'm not familiar enough with their recent work to trace any detailed music arc. I do, however, feel when listening to their songs, that there are perhaps six important seconds and nothing much to the rest of the song. For example, in 'Californication", it's the shift to a minor at the end of the first verse, and then the long bleat of what sounds like an order for Keema Californication, but probably isn
 
 
Quantum
15:00 / 24.05.06
I like some of their stuff, they're certainly not the worst band ever. *more later*
 
 
power vacuums & pure moments
15:38 / 24.05.06
For shame, really, as John Frusciante has released some stirringly beautfiul solo records and is wasted on such a bunch of tattooed fatheads.

Oh my. What? Frusciante is one of the most overrated and boring successful guitarists, maybe the most tedious given the huge amount of fame he has and the distinct lack of technical ability [wrote some fairly cool riffs back in the day to be fair]. Recent example, solo at the end of Dani California...can the guy do anything else apart from pentatonics? Just pisses me off when i waste my youth learning the fucking super-locrian scale at college.

Thats all ive got to say. They are one of those bands its hard to complain too much about because of the influence they've had, even though they dont really do anything at all for me.
 
  

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