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Facial Cleansing 101 (Clean the Face)

 
  

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Triplets
03:25 / 22.05.06
Since I turned 18 I started (and continue to) get spots. It must run in the family as my two brothers - hitting 16 and 17 - are starting to get them too.

Some background: I'm a little older than 18 now and from then about 20 didn't really treat my face very well. No, more accurately, I treated my face a lot more than it needed. I was inexperienced and self-conscious and wanted those spots gone now. So, of course I got more spots. It was just my face trying to save itself from an onslaught of chemicals drying it out.

I am so sorry, Face.

After trial and error my skin is a lot better. My face is fairly greasy (or at least it feels greasy after about 10 hours or so), so my daily routine at the moment is cleansing using Simple's Refreshing Facial Wash Gel (Pro B5!) followed by their Purifying Cleansing Lotion (applied using cotton wool). This seems to be doing the trick but still get the occasional spot flare-ups; particularly around the cheeks (which is arg!some. Arg!). I could do with some tweeking, I feel.

Our faces deserve to be happy and sometimes we need a little help. Stories (hale and horrible), tips, tricks welcome.

How's your face, Barbelith?
 
 
Mistoffelees
03:37 / 22.05.06
I don´t know anything about face care, so this thread is a good idea.

I rub my hands over my face while I´m washing my hair. I hope the water and shampoo are good for my face too.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
05:03 / 22.05.06
I have a face-cleaning regimen that works very well for me.

I shower first thing every morning, and I use an abrasive face scrub in the shower. It's a gel with crushed apricot seeds in it, and it keeps dead skin off. Once a week, I use a mud mask treatment, which I started doing last year, and I swear by it now. My face feels amazingly fresh and smooth after. After rinsing off the dried mud, I use a little lotion to put some fresh moisture in there. Works like a charm.

For those of us that have to scrape our faces, it's important to use quality shaving cream. I use the moisturizing variety, but it varies by skin type. Just don't skimp on the quality.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
07:56 / 22.05.06
I predate the whole men-can-moisturise-too era and, therefore, my face looks like a large bag of dried Porcini mushrooms and feels like a Brillo pad that just scoured a skillet.

As Patrick Swayze warns before leaving town in To Wong Foo... , Believe in yourself, and moisturize - this I cannot stress enough. Wise words, kids.

My mother has never used soap on her face in seventy odd years and her skin feels like a freakily ancient baby's bum.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
08:00 / 22.05.06
Grace, you're being too hard on yourself. I think you look fantastic for your age.
 
 
Spaniel
09:55 / 22.05.06
I never got that many spots, but I did find that all those anti-acne treatments only made matters worse.

Trips, do you have proper man beard, or childlike fluffy fuzz? As I was in the former camp, shaving and the growth of facial hair was deffo the number one cause of my teenage flare-ups and I never did find a sure fire way of combatting the problem. I would suggest regularly exfoliating with a facial scrub, however, I think everyday is maybe a tad excessive. I'd also second Jake's face-mask suggestion. I used 'em for years and they really seemed to help, esp with blackheads.

As for aftercare, I'd avoid aftershave and even facial balms like the plague as they tend to dry the skin horribly, instead go for a good quality moisturiser that suits your skin type. I use E45 cream - which works wonders - but then I have very dry skin.

Also, remember to drink lots of water. Nothing's worse for skin than a dehydrated body.

Oh, and stop smearing your face with shit. That never helps.
 
 
Princess
14:14 / 22.05.06
Drink.More.Water.

I've no idea of your personal relationship to H2O, but the world would in general would have a much nicer complxion if it did as I suggest.
 
 
Saturn's nod
15:35 / 22.05.06
My facial skin cleared up totally when I got my digestion sorted out (post lengthy antibiotic treatment), with a change in diet and some probiotics to start things off. So maybe how the gut absorbance is working has something to do with how happy the facial skin is?

I think most people underestimate the importance of good fats in diet: when we have good fats in our diet, I think they are not actually respired (burned/calorific) but instead utilized through absorbtion: moving into the flow of lipids into/out of cell walls, (both the mammalian cells and our prokaryotic/fungal commensals). Hence perhaps a supply of good lipids helps the body's cells eliminate: by providing plentiful material with which to slough out waste products. (Whereas the 'bad' type of lipids in highly processed foods are v difficult to metabolise and instead block this process?)

The other thing I noticed is that if I was feeling self-critical, I tended to look too closely at my skin and I used to then upset it by poking and squeezing. So I try to short-circuit that impulse by noticing when I am feeling self-critical and cutting straight to doing something which improves my self-esteem, rather than picking holes in myself.

My skincare regime at the moment involves muslin squares - a hardware not consumable solution! I got the idea from the guru of skincare, Eve Lom, cos I read an interview with her that seemed to make sense. I iron them after washing to make sure they are really clean (pretty much sterilized by the steam of the iron); each morning and evening massage my face all over with one, rinsing it out with water as hot as I can stand. My face likes it. I would be interested to hear if it works for other people. I think the massaging helps my skin balance itself - every skincare product I have used before this has actually unbalanced my skin after a while.

And yes, I do drink a lot of water - I have a 1.5l bottle and I try to drink at least that much water every day. Drinking much less than that definitely correlates with increased appearance of pores in my skin.
 
 
■
16:42 / 22.05.06
Do not believe anyone that eating chocolate or greasy foods have any correlation with spots. However, if you're not getting enough vitamins, you're not doing yourself any favours.
As someone who had a dreadful pizza face until I hit 20-ish here are a few tips.
WARNING: Not for those who have never resigned themselves to living with pus and blood leaking from their face.

1) Do not touch them with the tips of your fingers. If you really need to check their progress, brush them lightly with the back of your fingers.
2) Keep shaving, preferably every day. Go against the grain and do it with confidence. Use short strokes. You will inevitably hack the top off some spots. However, if you use tea tree oil soap immediately afterwards to wash away the foam/oil, it will ususally act as anough of an astringent to close up the wounds. If not, learn to live with it. You're probably used to living with pus and blood coming out of your spots, at least this way you kill them stone dead and they don't spread.
3) Yes, lots of water for drinking.
4) If you must pick (and you sometimes just HAVE to, don't you?) use your fingernails to gently pinch off the top, squeeze the gunk out gently (remember, it always goes pus, blood, pus before they empty) and dab some witch hazel on the mess. Then put a little toilet paper on it until the whole mess dries up.
5) DO NOT use anything such as Oxy-10, Clearasil, cleansing pads, cleansing lotions, yada yada. Much as I hate to paraphrase Richard E Grant, if they worked, no-one would need to buy them. They don't do anything. I used to wear Oxy-10 as a face mask and just got slightly taut skin. Tea tree and witch hazel are about the only things that do work.
6) I don't know if the NHS will still dispense it for acne but Erythromycin did keep outbreaks to a lower level. There are sorts or reasons overdoing antibiotics aren't a good idea, but it does work.
7) Getting laid regularly concided with the disappearance of my acne, but I'm never very sure which was round cause and effect worked.

Good luck.
You clean skin people can look again now.
 
 
Ex
16:57 / 22.05.06
your fingernails to gently pinch off the top

If you absolutely can't leave them alone, I'd suggest something more precise, like a sterilised needle.
 
 
Ex
16:58 / 22.05.06
Also, I find OXY-style creams and salacylic acid facial washes effective - I think there's a lot of variation between faces.
 
 
ibis the being
20:31 / 22.05.06
Never, never, never pick! There is no excuse for picking. Just don't do it, you'll make it worse and maybe even scar your face. It's best just to keep your hands off your face completely.

I have nice skin and rarely ever break out, and I'm sure that's partly genetic, but as my mom and brothers are more acne-prone I figure I must be doing something right. So here's what I'm doing. I wash my face in the shower with a gentle facial cleanser and I don't wear any kind of foundation makeup. I also don't put any moisturizer on my face unless I really need it (in winter). Wait at least 5 minutes after you wash or get out of the shower to see if your face still looks dry - only then should you moisturize. In the summer when it's hot and I perspire more than normal I use an alcohol-free toner to wipe down my face once in the afternoon. At night I wash my face with just warm water, or facial cleanser if I'm especially dirty/sweaty.

Here's my biggest secret though - I change my pillow cases obsessively, every few days. If I ever get into bed with dirty hair or face, I change my pillow case the next day. And no one gets to use my pillow. Anyone who's ever had the pleasure of sharing my bed does think I'm a freak about my pillows, but the proof is the in lovely lovely face.

I also agree that eating good fats has a lot to do with having good skin. In the dog-nerd world the go-to solution for problem skin is omega 3 and 6 fatty acid supplements either in capsule/oil form or in bringing more fish into the diet (or both). I have a lot of olive oil and not too much animal fat in my diet.

I have heard, though, that the water thing is a myth. Not sure.
 
 
Spaniel
20:36 / 22.05.06
Wait at least 5 minutes after you wash or get out of the shower to see if your face still looks dry - only then should you moisturize

The thing about moisterising is that need varies from person to person, although, Trips, as a biological man, is more likely to need to moisterize than you, mainly because men shave and shaving dries the skin horribly.

That pillow tip is a damn good one.
 
 
matthew.
21:13 / 22.05.06
Out, out damn spots.


Apologies. I couldn't resist.
 
 
■
22:25 / 22.05.06
Yes, I'd go for the clean pillow route as it helped a lot when I had a nasty case of athlete's neck a couple of years ago.
Sterilised needles are all well and good, but your average late-teens/early twenties man will generally have no access to such things and be embarrassed to go looking for them (Not that Trips is average, but y'know).
OK, skin types vary, but the ruthless efficiency of pulling off the tiny stretched bit of skin (which is as good as dead anyway) to get at what's underneath was always more effective than lancing for me. I also don't like the idea of introducing a potentially dangerous bit of metal and god-knows-what potential bacteria into the skin where our own keratin can do the job fine - at best, it'll create a small hole and leave the underlying problem untouched.
Rip 'em off, I say. I'm tempted to post a picture of the area where I used to have clusters of of 2cm diameter boils and which look fine now.
 
 
Mistoffelees
22:39 / 22.05.06
Yes, pictures please.
 
 
matthew.
23:34 / 22.05.06
I'm concerned that my face is going to be scarred from these spots. I can already see scars from the larger more painful ones.

Speaking of which, when you have a huge one, a painful one, what is the best remedy to calm it down?

I find that only keeping the area clean, and given time, the angry swell calms down. It's been suggested by loved ones that a hot needle pushed into the centre can alleviate the pressure. I find that merely causes pain and perhaps scarring?

Advice?

Also, my problems with the spots are not so much with the spots, but with the damn blackheads. I become the boy with the thorn in his side, or rather, the pores on my nose and forehead.

Advice specific to blackheads?
 
 
Catjerome
00:12 / 23.05.06
I've had a crap complexion for years (though I'm putting it to use in a bit by participating in an acne study - yay, cash and free digital camera! Putting faults to good use!).

Recently (knock wood) it hasn't been that bad. This is what I've been using, though I don't know if it will be available where you are or if the results would be the same:

* Triaz benzyl peroxide 6% cleanser
* Nicomide-T topical cream
* Alba papaya mango body creme as a facial moisturizer
* Nordic Naturals omega 3 fish oil pills
(all of the above once a day)

I find that I've been getting good results by avoiding harsh cleansers. I used to try face masks and astringents and all sorts of things, but I think they were just too fierce for my skin. Now, apart from that once a day routine I mentioned above, I've just been using cold water and sometimes a very mild soap or cleanser. I still get spots but they're not nearly as bad as they used to be.

My dad also recommended keeping your hair clean - something about the oils from your scalp seeping down to your face, I think. I have to admit that I feel pretty greasy and nasty facially if I haven't cleaned my hair properly in a while, so there might be something to that.
 
 
Ex
08:05 / 23.05.06
I used soap on my face until about three years ago, when I told a chum and they said; 'You use soap? On your face?'

To which I think I replied, 'Yes, and then I use water to rinse it, and a towel to dry it. What?'

I thought that facial cleanser was somewhat of a scam, but have since succumbed to more sophisticated methods.

I've always moisturised and used a sun protective cream since I was about 13, so I should, technically, be eternally young. Or really snotty and indignant about going crinkly.
 
 
Spaniel
09:32 / 23.05.06
Speaking of which, when you have a huge one, a painful one, what is the best remedy to calm it down?

Perhaps go and see a physician. I'm being serious, if we're talking boils, then they might need to be lanced by a proffesional. A good friend of mine had a big boil by his eye and decided to see a doctor, and it's a bloody good thing that he did, as apparently, had he tried to burst it, it could have infected his eye-stem (? The thing connecting the eye and the brain, anyway) causing blindness and potentially brain damage, even death.
 
 
petunia
09:56 / 23.05.06
Jeez. Talk about embarassment in the afterlife.

"How'd you go? I was in an explosion!"

"I had a really really bad spot"

*tumbleweed*
 
 
■
11:26 / 23.05.06
Ooh, nasty. I would recommend a visit to the docs anyway, they tend to be reasonably sympathetic and it's worth checking that it's not a sign of anything more serious.
I think I should make clear that my comments on popping them should not be taken as something you should do regularly, just what worked for me when they really couldn't be borne no more. The best policy is washing your wands and hair as often as possible an NOT touching them. And always keep a very clean cotton hanky ready just in case one goes by accident.
I'm not sold on moisturising, though. Seems an odd thing to do to smear a mixture of fat and water on your skin when you're trying to keep your pores clear.
 
 
Spaniel
11:57 / 23.05.06
Again, I think it depends on your skin, and the severity of the problem.
 
 
matthew.
14:15 / 23.05.06
How do people feel about Salicyclic Acid acne medication?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:47 / 23.05.06
Clean freaks.

Ok, I know a bit about this. I used to get so nervous about spots I wouldn't even leave the house (I have other paranoias that help me achieve this effect now) unless I was sure my skin was alright. And I'd go to the doctors and ask about treatment, and they'd always say "really, why?" because I would only go there when I was sure I looked ok.

Now, there's more than one type of spot. You've got yr regular whitehead, which is unseemly and hard to leave alone. Seriously. Do you want to leave that wobbly thing on your face while you walk around? Do you? Do you want it to fall off or get knocked off in public because you've left it so long through fear of touching your face? C'mon.

Then you have your pustules, papules, nodules and cysts.

Papules are similar to whiteheads, but surrounded by a red base. Just the same, but inflamed.

The real nasty ones are the nodules and cysts. I call them EGG SPOTS. They're just nasty hard red lumps under your skin, and you can't really squeeze them. Just a terribly uncomfortable sore lump. Don't trust the lancers! Cysts are full of pus, too. These are the ones where you have to worry about scarring. I always tried it though, and got away clean...

If you try and squeeze them though, there's the (possbility of) scarring and also you'll probably just make it last longer. Fun times. You push the infection in and it'll just spread under your skin, as it were.

Honestly, it's all very well saying you should leave it, but I tried to leave my spots on occasion (I used to think maybe I just had to get them all out of my system, or something, and after they all went I'd just have a clean shiny face underneath) but when you have this hulking thing like a 5 pence piece hanging off your face that MOVES OF ITS OWN ACCORD it's a bit hard to think like that. Seriously, I think it had a heartbeat. It wasn't cool. It was fucking pulsating.

It's hard to actually be rational about these things, especially if you're like me, and you were brought up in a house where your mother used to grab you and lie you down and go at your blackheads for fun. Seriously, sometimes I think she only had children to further her blackhead squeezing exploits. But there really is a certain satisfaction to it...

Having said all of that, I think I probably tried to squeeze everything, and I don't really have any scarring (there's one tiny mark, but I like to think of it as a quirk) and certainly nothing as bad as the time when I fell on that glass table or somebody threw a glass in my face (tiny scar on my filtrum, it's quite cute). And even though I knew all this, I still botched things up often ehough, squeezing the ones I shouldn't have, making everything worse.

I seem to have grown up enough to have average skin now. I hope. Although having said that my nose is red like rudolph right now, but that's more down to laziness, binge drinking and drugs and the fact I've run out of the nice tea tree face wash. My skin is very fair and light, breaks easily, bruises easily, a red mark on my face will stay arond for 2-3 days longer than on regular skin. Ha. But really. I think it might just be a delicate membrane, and I'm actually missing a proper skin layer.

If I shaved like cube suggests my entire face would be a rash, in fact I may as well rub my face with sandpaper. So yeah, each to their own. I can only shave every two to three days or I risk rash-factor (and also; after shaving - aqeuous cream! Soothing.), but if I don't the hair will make my skin so greasy it just feels horrible. No beard for Suedey. Boo hoo. Also, you don't have to moisturise, of course, but it really depends on if you want that weatherbeaten look later in life...

I hope this was interesting to somebody, somewhere.
 
 
■
17:01 / 23.05.06
Jesus, how could I forget about those Deep Ones? They were total bastards, and I know what you mean about the heartbeat. Had one in my ear once. That was nasty. I never considered blackheads as spots, but then I didn't have many - there wasn't room. Nice to know there's another vote for tea tree, Suedey.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:27 / 23.05.06
I have naturally clear skin so a lot of this thread is foreign to me. I was just wondering if anyone can recommend a moisturiser that doesn't contain any parabens and hasn't been tested on animals?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
20:33 / 23.05.06
Weleda stuff is free of parabens. I use the almond stuff and it's cleared up the exzema I got from Nivea Creme. I don't think it's the highest highest quality but it's not bad, and not expensive either. I get mine from Planet Organic but I think Fresh & Wild stock the stuff as well, or yr local organic place might have some...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
20:37 / 23.05.06
Amend to read 'not too expensive'...

I think some of the Neal's Yard Remedies products are paraben-free and organic, but they are pricier. Planet Organic on Torrington Place (off Tottenham Court Road, turn off at Heal's) has quite a big skincare selection.
 
 
Triplets
18:21 / 27.05.06
I've thought on this a little. It's not entirely down to the products you use but the technique used to apply 'em. I would say for moisturiser please, peas, please use decent cotton wool pads to smooth it over. I did use my fingers in the past and it just doesn't apply it consistently enough.


What's everyone's experience with exfoliants? I've been told by friends to use once every week or two on the face. I'm afraid those teeny granules will put my mug through a rock tumbler.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
18:35 / 27.05.06
Exfoliants are fantastic. I use one every morning in the shower, but people with more sensitive skin would probably want to go a bit less frequently. My skin is smooth and clear, so it works wonders for me.
 
 
foolish fat finger
22:31 / 27.05.06
I dunno. I am 35, but people often say I look 25. even with the smoking. I don't know why. It could be any of the following reasons-

I did 10 years of primal therapy.
I am vegetarian.
I never use soap on my face.
I eat a lot of raw fruit and vege.
I tend not to eat crap, like pizzas and crisps. (pizzas are nice, but they are not good for one)

I don't have any answers. I guess spots are either caused by a messed up diet, in which case, eat as much raw food as you can. juices, anything. read 'fit for life'.
or they are caused by an emotional imbalance, in which case, address those issues.

but like I say, I don't know.
 
 
Lama glama
00:06 / 28.05.06
I am vegetarian.

I was a vegetarian through most of my teen years (from about 13 to 19) and I got through it with very little spot trouble. Now, 20, I've reverted to being an omnivore and lo, there be many unsightly fiends upon my once smooth face, especially on my forehead.

Having a forehead of David Boreanaz-like proportions, this has led to me developing into an extremely self conscious person. I like to tell myself that this is my skin adjusting to the excessive saturated fats that I've started eating with meat again, and I really hope there's nothing more to it than that. I use various washes and creams, recommended by my GP and pharmacist and they seem to be (it's hard to be objective here) doing the trick.

I do have a question though: In order to hide some of the greater pimploids, I've taken to letting my fringe flop down. It certainly hides the spots, but I'm wonder if perhaps some natural oils from my hair are aggrevating the condition? Should I get my fringe out of the way (and deal with the gawps at my forehead) or should I let it hang (and deal with a perhaps extended visit from spots, but far less public staring). And finally, hasn't this post gone all Dear Deidre?
 
 
Disco is My Class War
03:50 / 28.05.06
I don't think fringes will help forehead spots unless you have really clean hair.

I never had particularly bad skin until I started testosterone. That was when the really awful, deep boils started. The clearest skin I've had since was on a 2 week detox with no sugar, dairy products or fried food, and less coffee and red meat. But in the non-ascetic meantime, I've been told that heat packs can encourage boils to the surface. Also this crazy stuff called Magnoplasm (but I've never tried it.) Exfoliant scrubs help, I think, but not the scrubs made by Clearasil with the blue grains. Pore strips, that you stick on your nose and rip off, help get rid of blackheads. They hurt, but they help. Blackheads are caused by dirt getting into the pores and causing infections, right? When you wash, hot/warm water will open the pores (that's when you cleanse, scrub, etc) and cold water or cold witch hazel will tighten the pores. Always rinse with cold water or toner after you wash or shave to close the pores again. The tighter they are to begin with, the less dirt will get in there during the day. (That's my theory, anyhow. It may or may not be chemically true.)

With shaving, I found that normal supermarket shaving foam and gel dried my face out totally. So I either shave with nice stuff from Lush, or if I can't afford it, almond oil. Almond oil is really light and it makes your face feel all soft anyhow -- so, rub a bit all over your face, shave the bits that need shaving, wash it all off with a really gentle cleanser. Shaving with oil feels weird, but it lets you see what you're doing and gives you a closer shave.
 
 
Triplets
08:21 / 28.05.06
Instead of the facial cleansing gel I mentioned up-top, which can be a bit too drying, I've been having super-success with Clearasil Sensitive Deep Cleansing 3 In 1 Wash twice-a-day. Great for prissy faces like mine.
 
  

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