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illmatic
11:36 / 24.04.07
Can someone please explain to me why L'il Wayne is so popular? I've been downloading a few of bits over the last few days and I ain't feeling him at all. I've not listened to all of it yet, but I just don't get it.

There's a track he does with Rakim for instance, presumably this is a nod to Wayne's recent claims to be the greatest rapper alive. As far as I'm concerned Rakim just blows him out the damn water. What's going on? Am I missing something? Or does the Emperor really have no clothes?
 
 
Jackie Susann
02:29 / 02.05.07
I think Wayne is often overrated, but he does turn out hot verses more often than most guys. He's not going to do it for you if you're strictly about technical skills, but he has a unique voice and puts words together in an interesting way.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
04:51 / 02.05.07
I think he and Dipset member Juelz Santana just dropped a mixtape together. I heard their version of Black Republicans and it was really good.
 
 
illmatic
18:01 / 02.05.07
Thanks guys. I'll keep listening. I think my reactions to Hip Hop are still shaped by liking a load of old NY style stuff even if I never listen to it these days. Causes me to miss a trick sometimes.
 
 
Jackie Susann
21:01 / 15.10.07
My shitty internet connection just ate my really long post about the new UGK album. Does anyone want me to bother trying to reconstruct it? Is anyone else listening to it? (Barring a miracle, it's my album of the year.)

TI album...so disappointing...
 
 
illmatic
12:26 / 05.12.07
Shit! Total tradegy: Pimp C RIP

Double sad as he only got out of jail last year.

Listening to UKG right now, at work, actually. I'd love to read your thoughts on it, Crunchy.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:35 / 05.12.07
That's harsh news. Dude had a totally unique voice and flow.
 
 
illmatic
12:43 / 05.12.07
I did sleep on this album but it's so good! What a loss.
 
 
Jackie Susann
19:10 / 05.12.07
I will do a proper post about it later, but yeah, RIP Pimp C.
 
 
Jackie Susann
00:51 / 07.12.07
Underground Kingz is the best-produced album of the year by miles - incredibly lush country-rap, with the best collection of soul samples since Blueprint, partly 'cause that Southern style seems so fresh in kind of the same way the Kanye/Just stuff did in 01. I mean, the loop in Int'l Players Anthem! It's hard to think of another rap record where the beats are actually beautiful, and not just (but still!) banging or poppy or grimy or whatever.

And the rapping is stellar - Bun is as good as ever, and Pimp raps like he's afraid people think of him as the group's Flava Flav. I hate to say this, but since it turned out this way, it makes a great epitaph for him; pretty much every time his verses kick in it brings you back to the song, like, what is this?! And he still has enough straight charisma to sell you something as potentially wrong as Chrome Plated Woman. Plus, they really bring out the best in all their guest artists, and it kind of makes me think of Bun as almost like rap's Ric Flair, in that part of his talent is making less talented collaborators look phenomenal. Shit, Rick Ross sounds like he can rap here! (I mean, I like him but don't think anyone considers him a hot lyricist.)

That said, this is basically unlistenable unless you have a real high tolerance for calling women bitches, and general rap misogyny. It's heavy enough to bother me sometimes, and I thought I had made my peace with that ages ago. It reaches a kind of nadir on Two Types of Bitch, with an unbelievably lame spoken coda by Pimpin Ken that just goes forever. Even they seem to know it was a bit shitty, 'cause they follow it with a meh women-are-ok-really number with conscious schlub Kweli.

On the other hand, I think over the course of the record they do some pretty cool reflexive shit with their pimp/hustler personas - it certainly works better for me, in more or less the same vein, than Jay saying he would have rapped like Common if there was money in it. I'm thinking of stuff like Bun's verse on How Long Can It Last, which in some ways treads familiar territory, but still:

People think hustling is cool, or hustling is live
They don't understand hustlers only hustling to survive
They wish they lived in the burbs
They wishes they didn't have to hang
Out on corners of low-income housing projects and slang...


It's one of the tightest double-CDs I know - there are only maybe five tracks I normally skip (the aforementioned, and a couple of misjudged Jazze Pha numbers - although one of those Jazze tracks sounds magic when I'm real drunk). I am also constitutionally incapable of not loving a record with a song called 'Life Is 2009 ft. Too $hort' (number 2 pop moment of the year: the beat to this kicks in, an instantly recognisable switched up version of the Too $hort classic, and Bun flips the original verse: 'I remember how it all began/I used to sling dirty raps to my eastside fans...' Beaten only by 'it's Britney, bitches').

Once more, RIP Pimp C.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:09 / 07.12.07
Jackie, what do you make of this Bun B line, which is to me the most fascinating lyric I've heard in rap all year:

Man I pull up in your city and get my Bush on ("What is that?")
Lay down the competition, take they cash, crops, and get my push on


I can't work out whether it's genius political commentary, or a really troubling genuine admiration, or some kind of even more genius combination of the two. It seems to be the crystallisation of something that's been building for a while, too (cf 'Black Republicans').
 
 
Jackie Susann
00:28 / 08.12.07
Coming from Big Dick Cheney and all! I'm not really sure waht you mean by admiration - I'm pretty sure Bun is no republican. But it's not hard to see qualities that make Bush an appealling antihero in a culture that fetishises, i.e., Scarface.
 
 
illmatic
06:40 / 08.12.07
Great interview with Bun B here. Also page down a little bit and the guy has posted a Pimp/UGK mix as a tribute.
 
 
illmatic
06:53 / 08.12.07
Good review of the album, JS. I really agree with what you're saying about the soul and funk in the rhythms, the production is amazing, and I think there's a way it really seems to fit with the Southern vocal twang. Vocal tone isn't always mentioned in Hip Hop but it's something that's really noticeable with certain rappers. Funny, listening to that mix now, you can really see their influences. They sound like NWA on one track, and Bun sounds like Kool G rap on another. It's not distinctly "Southern" at all.

I agree with you about the misogyny as well. Not really formed any kind of conclusions about this yet.
 
 
Jackie Susann
21:12 / 15.01.08
Can we talk about Soulja Boy? I slept on this a little, although I am so out of the loop of Australian radio I don't even know if it has a release here. Crank Dat is the most stick-in-your-brain song I've heard in ages; it comes with its own dance (always extra points in my book); and holy shit, the way he says superman that ho is the best delivery of any line in any song in ages. His delivery in general is fire. I still don't know, or really want to, what supermanning a ho is, though.

I checked on wikipedia to make sure he was southern before I posted this here, and the best line was:

Critics and hip-hop figures such as Snoop Dogg, 50 Cent, and Jermaine Dupri cite Soulja Boy Tell 'Em as artistically typical of contemporary rap trends such as... the ascendence of "Southern hip hop", emphasizing catchy, mindless music that discards rap's traditional emphasis on message.

Snoop/50/JD concerned by decline in rap's social consciousness? You know you're on a winner with this guy!
 
  

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