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The Pop-Punk and Post-Hardcore Movement

  
  

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haus of fraser
10:02 / 27.05.06
%Coweatman i love lists they add so much to threads...%
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:48 / 28.05.06
Yeah, sorry for any snark I may have dropped there, DT.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
18:09 / 28.05.06
Not very much helpful to add (apart from, as someone who likes the general ideals of, but isn't too massively knowledgeable about the actual music of, "punk" in its various forms, i'd also quite like to havew a discussion about its various sub-genres/scenes), but re this bit:

Sometimes the fashion aspect is far too important: tight girl jeans, white belt, skate-shoes, tight black t-shirt with a band logo (you must advertise another band, to help identify yourself), clean-shaven, long greasy black hair combed over an eye, a lebret or eyebrow piercing, and the earrings must be over-sized. This is for the males of the group. The influences in fashion come from The Misfits (the hair) and skate-punk fashion.

recently i've been seeing a lot of young (high school/FE-college age) people who would fit this fashion stereotype (both males and females, with relatively little difference in the styles between them, except some of the girls might wear skirts and slightly more ornate make-up, mostly (apparently) fairly middle-class, and mostly white, but with significant numbers of "Asian", tho virtually no African/Afro-Caribbean, people)... it seems to have kind of (tho not totally) replaced the ska-punk and goth/black metal/pseudo-Satanist youth cultures... so is this quite a big and relatively "mainstream" scene? i'm not sure i've heard any music on radio or in shops/pubs etc that i'd recognise as fitting your initial description...

the people who i know (mostly 20s/30s age bracket) who are into "punk" are mostly into more overtly political bands who aren't signed to record labels but distribute their own music, and are often quite strongly associated with the squat-party and squatted-social-centre scene, and also somewhat as fellow-travellers with the techno/rave scene (there are often squat gigs with punk bands playing alongside, or in the next room to, techno/trance/drum'n'bass rigs)... a lot of these bands would probably get called "ska-punk", but (to my ears) are more influenced by mid-to-late-70s roots reggae and dub, and a bit by 2-Tone and the Ruts/Slits/Clash generation of UK punk... Inner Terrestrials, P.A.I.N., Cracked Actors and Cupid Stunts are probably among the better known members of that scene... King Prawn, who are probably slightly more famous, maybe represent a slightly more commercial version...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:23 / 28.05.06
Inner Terrestrials

Are they still going? Saw 'em supporting Conflict once; they were wicked.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
09:24 / 29.05.06
Pretty damn sure they're still going: i saw them at two gigs in 2005 (a big squat thing raising money for the anti-G8 mobilisations in Nottingham, and a pub gig in Birmingham), and their website seems pretty up to date (and has free mp3s of several songs)...
 
 
coweatman
05:49 / 08.10.06
the list thing makes sense in the "you can go soulseek/bittorrent it and see what it actually sounds like" which is probably more accurate than me talking about how most of orchid's music is in 3/4 or 6/8, because so aren't a lot of other things that they sound nothing like.

that being said, i think the term screamo is incredibly misused, and has a lot more to do with painful sounding screeching, bad haircuts, and dischordant dark music played with a lot of octave chords, either mid tempo to slow or fast and really herky jerky. not, i dunno, some band that wants to be recent afi.
 
 
haus of fraser
11:54 / 08.10.06
the list thing makes sense in the "you can go soulseek/bittorrent it and see what it actually sounds like" which is probably more accurate than me talking about how most of orchid's music is in 3/4 or 6/8, because so aren't a lot of other things that they sound nothing like.

Or you could explain what they sound like to interact with other posters- why would i waste my time downloading any of this? i know non of the bands listed and nothing you have told me makes me want to hear them...

Telling me that Orchids music is in 3/4 or 6/8 is a start- but what are their influences?
How does listening to them make you feel?
Will i like hearing them- given that my knowledge of punk is largly old school NY and London scenes from the 70's? How do they relate to any of the bands we are talking about?

The point is that this is a forum where we talk to each other- Barbelith tends to pride itself on its ability to comunicate and converse rather than making lists- if you want to make a list go to last FM, or Amazon or a million other music sites.

I'm a bit disapointed that the thread summary and title got changed from its 'Post Punk' origins- it seems we're gonna loose a whole chunk of interesting conversation on the origins and history of punk music that was had earlier- should we start a new thread as Stoatie suggested earlier?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:44 / 08.10.06
Yeah, start a thread on Post-Punk etc. by all means! I think the title was just changed 'cos this thread was sort of confusing otherwise...
 
 
Char Aina
12:49 / 08.10.06
stoater;
they are, and they are playing in glasgow either today or next weekend. fuck, i wish i was sure, and i wish i had nothing to do today so i could check.
 
 
coweatman
04:33 / 10.10.06
"Telling me that Orchids music is in 3/4 or 6/8 is a start- but what are their influences?
How does listening to them make you feel?
Will i like hearing them- given that my knowledge of punk is largly old school NY and London scenes from the 70's? How do they relate to any of the bands we are talking about?"

well, to start off by comparing, say, orchid to other bands, i don't think that tracing a line back to, to be completely arbitrary, from orchid to portraits of past to something like moss icon to something like rites of spring to, i dunno, the ex is going to do a whole lot of good if the only other reference points you have are like, the new york dolls or the adverts or something like that.

on the other hand, saying that orchid was comprised of a bunch of fans of heavier and slower and dramatic sounding hardcore who were really into pomo and attending a almost comically over the top liberal/progressive university out in the woods in western massachusetts would maybe do as much to describe their sound and relevance as a nuts and bolts comparison, soundwise, between them and say, jeromes dream or joshua fit for battle, to pick randomly two other remotely similar hardcore bands i saw around the same time orchid was playing shows.
 
 
coweatman
04:34 / 10.10.06
also, how do folks here feel about most of the post-punk style music made in, i dunno, the last five years or so? what you could loosely call "the interpol generation" of postpunk bands.
 
 
coweatman
04:37 / 10.10.06
also, re: the descriptive thing - sometimes mentioning other bands is a good concrete reference point, because the adjectives you can use to describe music can often mean really different things to different people - eg i can say that orchid is slow and thick and sad sounding hardcore, but so is, say, neurosis, and so is, say, dystopia, but i wouldn't ever mistake any of those bands for any of those other bands.
 
  

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