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Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip

 
  

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Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:01 / 17.05.06
The wikipedia page.
The six minute trailer.

Warren Ellis has been big-upping this for a while now, but the youtube link would show that on this he's right. Obviously it's promotional but this looks like it's going to be amazing, Whitford and Perry are on fire and the script as sharp as you'd expect from Sorkin. Is anyone else excited by this?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:15 / 17.05.06
beat me to it! I was literally just coming here to start this thread.

This fall...happy days are here again, cause Sorkin and Schlamme are back with, what I hope, is intelligent television again.

And thank god Whitford has a new gig, and Sorkin is putting the words in his mouth again.

Everything about this looks set to be fantastic. Now all I need is Richard Schiff showing up as a recurring character. I think it would be too weird to rehire all the WWers, but Schiff seems plumb for this show.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
01:27 / 18.05.06
seems like the lawyers are after youtube on this 6 minute preview. they took down the original link, but some kind soul put it up again...for now, watch it quick.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
09:07 / 18.05.06
Totally needs some Schiff but even if he never shows, that looks like the hottest shit.

Obviously I haven't seen a full episode but damn if it can pack in all the humor and drama of WW with NONE of the Situation Room scenes (I swear every time it cut to one of those I instantly lost consciousness) plus all the great TV love from Sports Night it's in the running for best show ever.

Let's hope Aaron drives himself crazy and decides to write every episode, huh? And, um, Josh Malina please.
 
 
gridley
12:59 / 18.05.06
Yeah, I'm really damn excited for this show.

Noy every actor can pull off the Aaron Sorkin dialogue, but Matthew Perry does so brilliantly. I was really hoping that his guest stint on West Wing was going to turn into a permanent position, but this is even better.

Plus, it looks like Sorkin is drawing nicely from his own life, which I like a lot.

The bad news is that it's looking like it'll be up against CSI, Grey's Anatomy, and the O.C. for the Thursday 9:00 hour. Pretty much the worse time slot possible for trying to start a new show. Fortunately, NBC has a better track record of supporting their sleeper shows than most networks.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:35 / 18.05.06
They're moving Grey's to Thursday? Well, my DVR can handle two shows.

Honestly with NBC participating in iTunes, it's a whole different landscape. It might not hold up the best in ratings but I can guarantee you that pilot will be the number one download. And instant, direct profit to NBC will definitely help the show's longevity.
 
 
gridley
14:58 / 18.05.06
Yeah, ABC is getting bold enough with their recent successes that they wanted to go head-to-head with CSI. And the season finale proved Grey's can win even without the Housewives lead-in.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
01:40 / 26.05.06
sha-shaw!

NBC has revised their schedules after taking a look at the other networks.

Studio 60 will now be on Mondays at 10pm.
 
 
gridley
13:31 / 26.05.06
Phew... that's a good move. I wonder how that will work with it sharing Medium's time slot. I guess they'll try to build an audience and then move it again when Medium starts to air?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:57 / 28.07.06
More4 are advertising this as 'Coming Soon'... Seeing as it starts this autumn in America I'm intrigued by how More4 are going to do this. Are they going to broadcast it like the American networks do?
 
 
Smoothly
18:42 / 01.08.06
I've seen the pilot episode and although I found myself getting nervous at the halfway point, by the end I was gagging for more. I can't wait.

Isn't it scheduled to start in the US on September 18. The 'Coming Soon' trails we're getting on More4 normally mean it's due to start in 3 or 4 weeks. Is it possible that it's going to run more or less simultaneously in the US and the UK. Does anyone know?
That would be cool, and mean that we can all use the same thread to discuss it here. Yay!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
03:03 / 03.08.06
Oh I was with it the whole way. Just fantastic, and it shows what an integral role Schlamme plays as director. He's the star of the pilot by leaps and bounds.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:54 / 29.08.06
This report on the Beeb website offhandedly mentions at the end that More4 won't be showing it until the new year (which is admittedly not too surprising). Absolutely no mention of the show anywhere on the C4 website which smells of wee.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
11:51 / 30.08.06
TV.com lists the show as premiering on Friday, September 1.
 
 
gridley
12:30 / 30.08.06
Maybe they're doing a preview that night, but I'm pretty sure the official premiere is Monday, September 18th.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
22:49 / 11.09.06
It's up on you tube for those who can't wait for more4- well, pilot at least
 
 
Saint Keggers
02:10 / 18.09.06
That was amazing. The speach at the begining was some of the best writting I've heard on tv in a while. The cast seems to gel well (as they should seeing as how so many of them worked together before.)
I felt like The West Wing had the sex with Saturday Night live and this is their love child.
 
 
uncle retrospective
06:21 / 18.09.06
Bah! It's gone! Looking forward to this one.
 
 
Tom Coates
22:05 / 18.09.06
If you really want to find a copy and aren't too worried about the legal implications, you can of course torrent it from sites like mininova.org. Note this is not a recommendation.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:50 / 19.09.06
So this is showing at 10pm this Monday?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:27 / 19.09.06
As in "Did it show last night at 10pm?"

Yes, and I watched twice, to my eternal embarassment. There was just so much happening, so much to take in...loved every minute of it. It's very weird getting used to the show... it feels like WW, but it's so different, makes it slightly jarring. But thank god for Bradley Whitford, the guy is amazing.

My big hope for this show is that they have a way to make Judd Hirsch a semi-regular character, he stood out as a great addition. But I think he is a regular on another show, so maybe this was just a pilot cameo thing.
 
 
Saint Keggers
13:00 / 19.09.06
Yeah, Judd Hirsch is a regular on Numb3rs. Everytime I see him I expect him to get into an argument with Jeff Goldblum.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:22 / 19.09.06
Not terrible, but I'm gonna need some more convincing. It seems terribly self-impressed, doesn't it?

I was expecting a more character-driven show than WEST WING, because the subject matter does not, at first blush, have the same dramatic heft as that show. How wrong I was: Aaron Sorkin apparently feels that the story of two guys called in to fix a failing sketch comedy show has precisely the same cultural gravitas as the story of the Great Works being done in The People's House. God help us, he seems to think that STUDIO 60 tells an important story.

Which is just fucking dumb. The comparisons to NETWORK (and oh, look how clever we are to endlessly harp on the similarity—as if that somehow makes it less shameless! See "You Can't Fire Me, I Quit") simply don't work, because Chayefsky was writing about TV news at a time when TV news had enormous cultural power, while Sorkin is writing about fucking sketch comedy. And it's not just that the format's power is diluted because there are so many sketch comedy shows nowadays—even at its peak, Saturday Night Live was never quite the sociocultural force that everybody involved with it, with infinite smugness and self-congratulation, told themselves it was. He's pining after a golden age that never existed.

(Actually, if anything we're living in that golden age now: see The Daily Show for smart, politically-conscious comedy that has the potential to effect real change, if only to the minds of the viewers. But then, Sorkin is eulogizing broadcast television, as opposed to cable, so he's painted himself into a corner.)

The other thing I'm getting is that STUDIO 60's Big Issue is going to be religion, particularly the role of faith in public life and the difficulty of actually starting a public dialogue about faith without it descending into name-calling. The problem is that Sorkin writes about the life of faith from outside. he is sympathetic to people of faith, but he shows no sign of actually understanding how we think. I'm thinking of THE WEST WING's famous cussing-out-God in the National Cathedral scene. It's always nice to hear ecclesiastical Latin on TV, but theologically the scene was nonsense—it served only to make Bartlett look petulant and self-regarding, not like the thoughtful, wise ex-seminarian Sorkin told us he was.

Just so, last night's revelation that the reason Matt (or was it Danny?) broke up with Harriet is because she promoted her CD of Christian music on Pat Robertson's 700 Club. This is supposed to show the hidden streak of bigotry behind Danny's (or is it Matt's?) staunch liberalism. But the scene fails because, in fact, he's right and she's wrong. See, here's the thing: I love Jesus as much as anybody, and I love sacred music more than most; and it's entirely possible to reach a Christian audience without pandering to the obnoxiously-politicized fundamentalist side of things. There are many, many Christian markets and outlets other than The 700 Club, and to ally oneself with a hatemongering streak-of-shit like Pat Roberson is, for an allegedly thoughtful, good-hearted Christian like Harriet, a far graver moral compromise than anything the more worldly Matt (or is it Danny?) has done.

Sorkin hasn't intentionally stacked the deck against Harriet, I don't think; I think he genuinely wants to expand the conversation, and provide a balanced portrait of religion. The problem is, he knows so little about the religious viewpoint that the end effect is patronizing and unconvincing. With friends like Aaron Sorkin, what enemies do Christians need?
 
 
PatrickMM
14:47 / 19.09.06
I think a bigger problem is the fact that TV right now is pretty much the best it's ever been. Doing a show decrying the state of television now is like saying American cinema was losing it in the 70s. Sure, there's bad stuff out there, but it's not like there's this vast wasteland that only Sorkin can shine a light on.

But, other than that I loved the pilot. I think a lot of the preachiness of both The West Wing and Sportsnight was reduced and it was one of the most stylish, fun pilots I've ever seen. In particular the direction stood out, with some really fantastic moving camera shots. I think there's a ton of potential here, and I'm psyched to see where they go in the next episode.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:21 / 19.09.06
PatrickMM: Again, Sorkin's talking strictly about broadcast network TV. He won't acknowledge the existence of cable, because he's never worked in cable.

Another couple of points—minor, but they nagged me.

Sorkin seems to be building up a bit of a repertory company, carrying over actors from WEST WING: Whitford, Matthew Perry, Timoty Busfield. This is good. These people are always welcome. But must he confuse me by recycling names from THE WEST WING—Matt, Danny, Hayes-for-the-blonde-Christian-lady? It seems lazy.

Brad Whitford seems a lot older than hn he played Josh. It's odd. He doesn't seem to have gained or lost any appreciable amount of weight, his hair doesn't sem any thinner, but his face suddenly has lines. It looks good, mind you; I'm just trying to figure it out. Was he pancaked within an inch of his life on WEST WING, or have they got him in some subtle age-makeup for STUDIO 60?

In any case, he'll never look as old, or as coke-ravaged, as this Brad Whitford.

One last thing: for all that the Matthew Perry character's back surgery and painkiller high were amusing plot points, the physicality of Perry's performance failed to even pay lip service to the backstory. Every time he flopped down into a chair, or launched himself out of one, it just jerked me out of the story. And I don't care how mych Vicodin you've got in your system, nobody who's three days out of back surgery is vaulting up the stairs, taking them two at a time, the way that Perry does in act three. Sloppy.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:33 / 19.09.06
Bradley Whitford aged a lot during the West Wing itself, as the current season 1 repeats (someone please make Moira Kelly stop) have shown me.

Personally I always liked the Bartlett rants at God in the Cathedral scene, but I guess it depends on what you believe people should be allowed to get mad at God about without being called "petulant".
 
 
Tryphena Absent
16:11 / 19.09.06
As in "Did it show last night at 10pm?"

More like- I am going to be in New York this Monday coming and if I can swing watching this instead of being out and about at that time I'm sorely tempted to do so.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:26 / 19.09.06
Personally I always liked the Bartlett rants at God in the Cathedral scene, but I guess it depends on what you believe people should be allowed to get mad at God about without being called "petulant".

Hey, get mad at God if you want; but as a treatise on the problem of the silence of God in the face of human suffering, that episode wasn't exactly the Book of Job, y'know? Hell, it wasn't even Harold Kushner.

Watch again, if you dare, the shot of Bartlett grinding out his cigarette on the floor of the cathedral. I'd watch it with you, but I find myself unable to focus on the T csreen when that scene comes ariound, because my eyes start rolling so hard.

More to the point: I think Sorkin's been writing about two-party politics for too long, and it's shaped his view of religion. He seems to view religious/non-religious as a binary, and "Christian" as a monolithic concept—that is, Harriet, as a Christian, must ally herself with a fascist douchetool like Pat Robertson to further the Christian cause. Which is, of course, blatant flummery.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:47 / 20.09.06
Jack, it is so sad that you don't understand the stilling effect of that scene. Bartlett loves God, his response isn't petty, it's born of disappointment. That disappointment in God doesn't resonate with you says rather a lot really.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:00 / 20.09.06
Yes. A lot. So sad. Really.

For fuck's sake.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:54 / 20.09.06
Somewhat less scratchily: my problem with that scene is not that it's invalid or dishonest, but that it's out of character.

I had and have a hard time believing that a man of the religious background, seminary training, and theological bent (including an essential humility and an understanding of the mystery of pain) that we have been told Jed Bartlett has would react as depicted. I would have bought it from, I dunno, Leo. But not from Bartlett.

It's a powerful scene, for what it is. But I never for a moment believed that I was hearing Jed Bartlett. I was hearing Aaron Sorkin.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:47 / 20.09.06
going a bit off topic, but...really? I completely buy that from Bartlett. One of the large themes of the show and his character was that his large intellect created huge demons in his head and soul. That his faith in God, his desire to selflessly do good and use his abilities was what got him through his internal demons...and now he felt like he was being punished for lying. It's Job.
 
 
gridley
19:06 / 20.09.06
I had and have a hard time believing that a man of the religious background, seminary training, and theological bent (including an essential humility and an understanding of the mystery of pain) that we have been told Jed Bartlett has would react as depicted. I would have bought it from, I dunno, Leo. But not from Bartlett.

I definitely see where you're coming from, but even the most devout sometimes question God and even the most the most humble can lose their temper. One of the most important people in his life was just ripped away from him.

Plus, it was also fueled (from what I can remember) by a lot of anger Jed still feels for his bastard of a father (as shown in the flashbacks in that episode). For a character with his God and Daddy issues so intertwined, I personally think the tirade made sense.
 
 
Jack Fear
19:32 / 20.09.06
It's Job.

Except that Job never did curse God, did he? Never did take it personally, however tempting it might have been to do so; his friends kept telling him, You must be getting punished for something—but Job never fell for that. Because, as he came to understand, you can get angry with your lot, you can even get angry with God, but it never profits you to question His motives—because He's playing a much larger game than you could ever fit in your mortal head.

To say "How dare you?" to God is to assume that God is no bigger than you; and he is. He's not somebody that you can second-guess and dress down, even if you do it in perfect Latin. That's kind of the point of Job.

Bartlett would know that. Sorkin? Not so much.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:55 / 20.09.06
Right, but that's the point of Job from a true believer's perspective. That's the point it's illustrating for the people it's trying to teach.

Sorkin is questioning that tenet. Those are his opinions, and he's certainly entitled to use his medium to question a social system in the world, isn't he? I fail to see why you are criticizing his take on the faith, why he is more unqualified than others.
 
  

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