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Global Mind Control Slated For Humanity By 2004

 
  

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Frances Farmer
19:06 / 17.07.01
quote:
"You're not wanted here...."

Speak for yourself, why dontcha?


I don't have any point of contention with you, but I would humbly request you re-read my post and re-consider my point. Specifically :

"But my question to you is : Has anyone told you you're not welcome here?

Oh, wait, I can answer that : No."

As I'm sure you can clearly intuit, I at no point indicated anyone was unwelcome. To the contrary, in fact.

quote:
The perpetrators of this scam have gone to great lengths to satirize the paranoid conspiracy theorist mindset, and I really enjoy it. I find it incredible how tenacious and unrelenting they(?) are with their posting, and there's a lot of good comedy hidden inside their deranged tautological arguments and solipsistic worldview. Some of the links are just fantastic: "manbeef" anyone?


We all take a different stance ; as I wouldn't invalidate yours, I would ask you refrain from invalidating mine.

quote:
Why get upset about it? Unless that's your bag; unless that's part of the fun.


My suit is quite an exaggerated example of my 'Sarcasmo' mindset. I'm not upset - just interested, and, as quoted above, aggressive.

quote:
Yeah, they're taking up bandwidth, but so are some other threads/posts, that, to others, may appear equally pointless, annoying and nonsensical.


Sure - I was making a point. At the core, that point was, 'if you expect people to take you seriously (as they regurally insist they do), then you owe those people a sound attempt at communication'.

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I, for one, don't always want to "talk seriously". Why is there no room for anything genuinely silly and funny on Barbelith? Who's to say that kind of stuff can't be enlightening, or that you can't have a good time with it? Try other avenues apart from arguing with, and testing, Leila et al.


While it's not my particular joy, I see nothing wrong with cracking a few jokes.
It might help if we had archived the threads in which I made a reasonable attempt to relate to this group ; as you apparently believe I've always taken this stance towards them.


quote:
We all know it's not going to stop, short of barring them, so let's enjoy it.


I am - in my way.
 
 
Frances Farmer
19:32 / 17.07.01
quote:
The fact that you're a man is not lost on me, very capable and inquisitive but a man nonetheless. I know that you need proof but you'll be stuck in a dilemma because good needs no proof, evil does.


Alright, cutie.

"The fact you're a man..."

That fact that you have an obsession with dividing your much-disdained group of sheep-like non-believers into easily digestible and dismissable catagories is not lost on me. The fact that this is one of your greatest fallacies is not lost on me, either.

I deliberately selected an ambiguous name and behaved in an ambiguous manner for a very specific reason. The biological sexual identity of the speaker has absolutely no impact on the relative merit of the idea being expressed - and this is an ideaspace, isn't it? If you think the specific form of my naughty bits has anything to do with anything, we may have more obstacles than I originally thought between ourselves and common ground.

quote:
Okay, I'll re-try. Frances-cutie, all has been in your reach and you actually managed to ask all the right questions, too bad for you that you (still) do that in such a wrong manner.


"all has been in your reach"..

All of what? I've consistantly tried to find a common bone with "your camp". You have neglected to come halfway - with anyone, anywhere, ever. Can you please reiterate for me how my behaviour has discouraged open communication, where the behaviour of Laila, yourself, RRM, et al, has made an honest attempt at straightforward communication? Please?

quote:
Do you want me to try again? The do the bloody thing right and don't reek so much of aggressive and aloof holiness.


I have no problem admitting I've been a bit of an arrogant shit towards you folks.

However, I feel no compulsion to apologize for it. Unlike you, I find it important to take responsibility for my own actions and opinions. Clearly, we all have different standards by which we conduct ourselves. When I attempted to communicate less aggressively with you folks, finding common ground where I could, I took accountability for that, too.

But seriously, Chrome. What can be more aloof than the repeated insistance that one has no right to disagree if one has consumed bread or milk in the last week?
You have never failed to distract from the facts at hand. When concise questions are asked, you become personally insulting at best, vaguely threatening at worst. If you want to place blame for ill communication, that's fine, but don't lay that bullshit on my doorstep, ok?

If you want to communicate, and you want me to behave less aggressively, say so, own up to your opinions and actions, and stop it with the cheap tricks. Sound reasonable?

[ 17-07-2001: Message edited by: Frances ]
 
 
ReformedRobotMan
09:48 / 18.07.01
Frances,
You really don’t get it do you? You keep repeating the same lines over and over again. Don’t you get it? I am not here to lighten up your day or be friends with you, I am only here to inform all at barb, that is really all there is to it. But if you want to play yes or no game I ask you some questions you answer as short as possible and I grant you the same amount of questions, formulate them well.
And stop behaving like a typical linear thinking one sided brain, is this the example your father gave you? I pity your mother.

<<<If you want to communicate, and you want me to behave less aggressively, say so, own up to your opinions and actions, and stop it with the cheap tricks. Sound reasonable?>>>

HA HA HA HA HA HA, you are oldfashioned indeed.
Do you really think you can talk to me the way you talk to the women around you? Please, I would eat you up and spit you out in a heartbeat, you fool.
You want to be aggressive go ahead, its your troath (so to speak) that will hurt not mine.


So here are the votes, oops I mean questions.

Who do you believe and when do you believe?
Name me some governmental institutions you believe?
The bible true or false?
IMF, the Worldbank, the UN good or bad?
NASA true or false?
Royal families active or inactive societies?
Bush future for the States or end of the States?
Cannibalism true or false?
When a woman says no, does she mean it or is she playing a game?
Cow milk healthy or unhealthy?
To what extend is the media altered and censored?
How many slaves died ?
Hitler deceived, yes or no?
Who provided the arms for the ww2
Who made the most money of the ww2
What happened to Mengelen?
Carnivore a natural and needed state for humans, yes or no.
Did the UK use babies for nuclear testing yes or no?
Do you believe in aliens?
What do all the presidents and running mates of the US have in common?
Movie with bestiality aimed at children, yes or no?
If all people would know the truth at ones, chaos or no chaos? good or bad?

How many letters are to much in the alphabeth????
 
 
ReformedRobotMan
09:56 / 18.07.01
Silkysmooth
Smak slubber hows..what do you t?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
09:56 / 18.07.01
quote:Originally posted by ReformedRobotMan:
You really don’t get it do you? You keep repeating the same lines over and over again.

Pot, meet Kettle.
 
 
000
09:56 / 18.07.01
OOPS!
 
 
000
09:56 / 18.07.01
Jamieon;
Tautology,
unnecessary repetition of the same idea in different words; redundancy
an instance of such a repetition

solipsism,
in philosophy, the theory that the self is the only verifiable reality
the self-centered habit of interpreting and judging all things exclusively according to one's own concepts of meaning and value

~GRIN`~ SMILE ~ As long as you know what to do when you are confronted.
 
 
000
09:56 / 18.07.01
E Randy Donttouchthatdial
Pot, meet Kettle.

Kettle sees black.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
09:56 / 18.07.01
Kind of the point of my post, but there you go.
 
 
Dee Vapr
09:56 / 18.07.01
Just been looking at manbeef.com

- how f**king elaborate??? One of those joke sites where they take it *so far* you find yourself doubting that it's a joke in the first place.

It is, isn't it?

[ 18-07-2001: Message edited by: Dee Vapr ]
 
 
Ganesh
09:56 / 18.07.01
Frances, you're dealing with worldviews that cannot admit compromise (but can, apparently, make a black-or-white decision on whether the entire Bible is 'true or false'). Take my advice and give up trying to find common ground; it isn't there.
 
 
Jamieon
09:56 / 18.07.01
Sorry, Frances, didn't read your post as thoroughly as I could've.

I thought you might secretly be having fun with the freaks. Pleased to hear that you are.

Anyway, Laila: your arguments are tautological in that they must refer back to themselves for self justification.

example: the world is controlled by evil monsters, and, if you say otherwise, that's because you're being controlled by evil monsters.

And solipsistic because, well.... "projection", anyone? Your mind only...

But I don't want to debate your worldview, I want to know more about it.
 
 
Frances Farmer
15:16 / 18.07.01
quote:
You really don’t get it do you? You keep repeating the same lines over and over again. Don’t you get it? I am not here to lighten up your day or be friends with you, I am only here to inform all at barb, that is really all there is to it. But if you want to play yes or no game I ask you some questions you answer as short as possible and I grant you the same amount of questions, formulate them well.


Do you promise honest answers? What if the questions I ask or not questions you want answered?

quote:
And stop behaving like a typical linear thinking one sided brain, is this the example your father gave you? I pity your mother.


I recognize your baiting tactics here ; but I ask, what are you trying to acheive? Honestly? Are you thinking I'll drop my points, or forget my line of inquiry? Are you hoping you'll whip up groups of sympathizers to stop the horrible, linear-thinking, ambiguously-identified monster? What are you doing?

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HA HA HA HA HA HA, you are oldfashioned indeed.
Do you really think you can talk to me the way you talk to the women around you?


Again, you're trying to bait me. You've invented an issue out of thin air, whipped it into a ridiculous frenzy, and you're now trying to redirect the subject to more slippery issues. You're creating an artificial division. You're looking for an arena where clearly stated questions are not deserving of clearly stated answers.

Ha-Ha-Ha, indeed.

quote:
Please, I would eat you up and spit you out in a heartbeat, you fool.
You want to be aggressive go ahead, its your troath (so to speak) that will hurt not mine.


Alrighty then.

quote:
So here are the votes, oops I mean questions.


You won't like my answers.

quote:
Who do you believe and when do you believe?


Individuals who speak with conviction ; at the time of the choice, and dependent on a variety of factors. Instinct. I elect not to believe anything until such a time as I require an operating assumption to move forward.

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Name me some governmental institutions you believe?


Believe in? Believe the words of? Specify, please.

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The bible true or false?


A bit of both. The stories of the deluge are mirrored in other mythologies all over the world - from ancient Mesopotamia to Central America. The reference in the bible to giants, or Nephilim, as in from Genesis - "There were giants on the earth in those days.." - is also mirrored in otherwise completely different traditions around the world. These correlaries are more difficult to dismiss than the catagorically backwards fairie tales that seem to make up the rest of the bible.

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IMF, the Worldbank, the UN good or bad?


The people or the system?

The IMF, Worldbank, and the UN are all tightly related. They require each other to operate efficiently, and tend to work towards one another's goals. Often, as two out of three of these groups has to do with money, the goals follow suit. Any time soldiers are sent into a country for the expressed purpose of protecting monetary interests, I become highly suspicious. I'm sure these organizations are made of individuals with good and bad intentions alike (whatever 'good' and 'bad' mean), but primarily, I fear a negative impact will result from unbridled expansion in the sector of international economic regulation (read : influence).

Why'd you leave the WTO off the list?

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NASA true or false?


Are you asking if I think the moon landing was faked?

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Royal families active or inactive societies?


Active politically, or socially? Probably both.

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Bush future for the States or end of the States?


Could be both.

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Cannibalism true or false?


The Mayans and Aztecs practiced cannablism in spades, not to mention human sacrifice. Great warrior families were welcomed with feasts - the main dish being the flesh of slaves from conquered nations. Are you asking if it happened then, or if it happens today? Some cultures consumed only the meat of their dead relatives, in reverence - a la 'Stranger in a Strange Land'.

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When a woman says no, does she mean it or is she playing a game?


Says no to what? Does it make a difference if it's a woman or a man saying no? If you think so, why should it?

When someone tells me 'no' - man, woman, or inbetween - about anything, I take them at face value. Any further subtext hinted at by your question is ridiculous and irrelevent. In my particular collection of principles, respect means not presuming to make those kinds of determinations.

quote:
Cow milk healthy or unhealthy?


Given enough time, foreign substances become instituted in the diet of a species. Biologies adapt, and what was once not tolerated can become a healthy dietary substitution.

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To what extend is the media altered and censored?


Censorship is an active practice. The media's constituents are rich and powerful people, and they adhere to rich and powerful influences. They say what furthers their interests. It's natural human behaviour - there's no need to censor people whose best interests are your best interests.

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How many slaves died ?


When?

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Hitler deceived, yes or no?


I would tend to think so. He didn't pull the cover off his anti-semitic game plan until after he had Germany under his thumb.

quote:
Who provided the arms for the ww2


Why don't you tell me? You seem to have infinite time at your disposal for the purposes of researching alternate historical paradigms. I think your opinion would be much more interesting than mine.

quote:
Who made the most money of the ww2


Again, you tell me. The US received an enormous amount of positive attention for barely lifting a finger. Monetary gains come from more than one avenue.

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What happened to Mengelen?


I don't know.

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Carnivore a natural and needed state for humans, yes or no.


It's not a yes or no question.

Natural? Sure. Before we began agriculture, hunting and gathering was the primary method for obtaining nutrients. Whatever was on hand and satisfying was consumed. Some tribes found a vegetarian lifestyle more convenient - others ate almost exclusively meat.

Needed? No. We can acheive the necessary levels of protein and other nutrients by consuming nuts, vegetables, and fruits.

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Did the UK use babies for nuclear testing yes or no?


What kind of nuclear testing?

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Do you believe in aliens?


Aliens from flying saucers, aliens from alternate dimensions, or aliens from other countries?

quote:
What do all the presidents and running mates of the US have in common?


Freemasons - all but two, that is.

quote:
Movie with bestiality aimed at children, yes or no?


...What?

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If all people would know the truth at ones, chaos or no chaos? good or bad?


Throwing around terms like "The Truth" is also a bit of a cheap trick. My truth is not your truth.

But, speaking for myself :

No instant reaction. Slow progress towards new lifestyle. The adoption of more responsible habits - and a shorter work week. Food not consumed in first-world countries will be distributed to third-world countries, no cost. More responsible utilization of resources. Birth rate relaxes as expansion is kept in check by a self and community responsible worldview.

quote:
How many letters are to much in the alphabeth????


I'm partial to twenty-six as a good cap.
 
 
Frances Farmer
15:27 / 18.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Ganesh:
Frances, you're dealing with worldviews that cannot admit compromise (but can, apparently, make a black-or-white decision on whether the entire Bible is 'true or false'). Take my advice and give up trying to find common ground; it isn't there.


Au contraire - it's my opinion that these folks are, as said before, a bunch of bored psychic friends taking the piss. They ignore inconvenient questions not because of pathology, but because it would force accountability and put an end to the fun.

Of course, there's also the fact that I find these exchanges shamefully entertaining. If I were just a smidgeon more mature, I'd probably ignore it entirely.

Your advice, however, is duly appreciated, oh wise pachyderm.

 
 
Ganesh
19:21 / 18.07.01
We'll see. Don't exhaust yourself trying to compromise is all I'm saying. Myself, I don't believe it's a pisstake; I think Laila, Chrome et al. really, honestly do believe what they're saying. I don't think that degree of commitment is easily faked. But that's just my theory, Frances.

[ 18-07-2001: Message edited by: Ganesh ]
 
 
Frances Farmer
09:36 / 19.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Ganesh:
We'll see. Don't exhaust yourself trying to compromise is all I'm saying. Myself, I don't believe it's a pisstake; I think Laila, Chrome et al. really, honestly do believe what they're saying. I don't think that degree of commitment is easily faked. But that's just my theory, Frances.

[ 18-07-2001: Message edited by: Ganesh ]


All in fun, my friend.
 
 
Robot Man Reformed
13:02 / 19.07.01
quote:Originally posted by ReformedRobotMan:
Silkysmooth
Smak slubber hows..what do you t?


Sorry?
 
 
Ganesh
23:48 / 20.07.01
Amazingly, Frances, you seem to have had the last word...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:59 / 21.07.01
No! Say it ain't so!

Don't let it die this way.
 
 
Ganesh
15:11 / 21.07.01
All together now, children:

"I believe in crazies..."
 
 
Mordant Carnival
20:13 / 21.07.01
No, no, no, no, no. Power stations? The Secret Rulers are going about this completely the wrong way.

Now, if I was going to swing my evil overlord thing across the Western World. I'd take the chemical route. Sure, steroids in milk and opiates in bread are all well and good, but I know plenty of people who've given up one or both of those substances (milk and bread, I mean.) No, food is such a vexed issue. One good dose of dehli-belly and you've lost'em, haven't you?

And as for "the world's water supply"... geez, I just don't know. I mean, I could just be slavishly reciting the propaganda of our extraterrestrial overlords, but I was under the impression that there was more than one water supply in the world. What if they missed one?

As for blocking the connection to one's higher self... (assuming there is such a thing) I think someone's going to notice that one. I mean, imagine those people out there that meditate/pray/whatever on a regular basis. One day they're in the lotus position (or snoozing in a pew, as it might be) and instead of the luminous presence that would normally begin to pervade their conciousness at this point, they get:

"Hi there. This is God. I, um, can't be with you right now, but please leave a message, and I'll get back to you as soon as possible. Ciao!" How long before they twig?

DNA strand manipulation, too; the ET's will have to be damned careful with that one. One wrong move and....

"But darling! The baby's yours! I swear, I've never even looked at man since we married!"

"Oh, YEAH? Well, I'm pretty bloody sure that no-one in MY family ever had f***ing ANTENNAE!"

No, for the discerning mind control freak, it has to be soap. I mean, who doesn't use soap, right? And not just soap. Think of all the lotions, creams, ointments, unguents, perfumes, dyes, paints and polishes that people use daily. Psychoactive chemicals could be introduced into any or all of these things. And even if by some fluke the evil plan was rumbled, who's going to give up their fave-rave beauty products, right? We already put up with tallow, pig brains, assorted bits of whale, fish scrapings, etc, etc, so we're hardly going to baulk now.

"Oh, this moisturizer? Well, yeah, I know it contains a contact drug designed by alien biochemists to make me their uncomplaining slave, but it said in The Face that Jennifer Aniston just swears by it."

All the foundations are in place too. Think of all those adverts telling us that we are unbeautiful (read: without worth) if we are not clear-skinned, bright-eyed, young and slim- above all, slim, slim, slim?

Hey- just a minute- didn't somebody make a crack about "nice chubby blind followers" a while back? Oh dear...
 
 
000
21:35 / 21.07.01
Frances;
quote: Unlike you, I find it important to take responsibility for my own actions and opinions. Clearly, we all have different standards by which we conduct ourselves. When I attempted to communicate less aggressively with you folks, finding common ground where I could, I took accountability for that, too.

Unlike you, you have no idea.
Unlike you I find it very important to let people say their thing without trying to make them talk to my liking.
And again, I do not give a hoot if you are aggressive, it shows me somebody who, even if you behave blindly and seem close minded, is not completely lost. You know some of it to be true, you have seen things and they have made you wonder, you have been left with many questions many times before and not ‘just’ by me darling. Your surroundings have created doubt more than ones in your system, you may have looked for answers, but yet you have let your self be guided by those who don’t want you to see. An as their solution was according to what you are programmed for to find within your reasonable self to be acceptable, you let your questions for what they were and you drifted off in a sheep like sleep. Once agaaaaain.

And once again I succeeded in making you read a message of mine, witness my powers. Should I take responsibility for that?
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
13:13 / 22.07.01
I've actually been thinking a lot about this whole electricity/mind-control/brain manipulation/EM-induced hallucenospirtuality thing over the past week (been away, no net access)- I actually think it could be a really GOOD idea... all they need to do is let the home-users control the on/off switch.
"What does this button do?"
"It turns OFF reality".
It'd be better than hot 'n' cold running LSD!
 
 
Ganesh
13:42 / 22.07.01
To me, it sounds like just another way of saying, 'If you don't agree with my point of view, you're asleep'...
 
 
000
18:56 / 22.07.01
No Ganesh, I am not saying “if you don’t agree with me you’re asleep”.

Nobody has to agree with me, I have said this a million times already.
What I need is for your eyes to open. Some eyes have opened and some of you are aware, and that is already enough. I just need people to read and as I said when its time, they will recognize and they will be able to help others to understand and make a choice.
What I am saying “if you keep on eating bread/wheat products, milk, heated and prepared foods you will stay asleep” and this will make you in the end ‘a sheep’.
But really go all the way clean for just 2 weeks, eat as much fruits ( salads/ juices) dried fruits especially vigs and dates= ( high on tryptophan bananas and strawberries as well) unshelled fruits, avocado and salads with lots of olive oil, egg yolks in fruit juice( banana orange mix being the best) juice or just in fresh orange juice, or 50 grams of raw salmon every 2nd day, if you have to sin than no more than 50gram eat that with pears, tomatoes or cucumbers drink as much water and sleep enough get as much daylight as possible. After 2 weeks of eating clean take a walk sit one some mountain-hill and just look and listen.
Its quite a different story when you have eaten 2 weeks clean unprepared foods.

Have you ever been to the Rosslyn Chapel?
 
 
Ganesh
19:01 / 22.07.01
Essentially, though, Laila, you're ascribing differences of opinion to others not being 'awake' (through too much dietary opiate or whatever). 'Global mind control' sounds like another way to rationalise differences of opinion ("Your mind is being controlled and you don't know it; that's why you can't see the truth", etc.) if the 'opiate' argument falls flat.

Do you know the way to San Jose?
 
 
000
19:06 / 22.07.01
British Army Volunteers To Be Microchipped
Soldier Magazine, April 2001
SOURCE SITE: http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html
7-19-1
Smart card may be about to give way to the "smarter" soldier.

In a trial believed to be a world first, a cross-section of soldiers have allowed themselves to be micro-chipped as part of a study into how new technology may be harnessed to revolutionise the bureaucracy of personal administration.

All the troops involved in the project are volunteers.

Impetus for phase one of the Army Personnel Rationalisation Individual Listings project came from the acclaimed Passports for Pets scheme, from which much of the technology has been adapted.

The trial, which began at the start of this month, is to run for six months. Should it be the success which project managers anticipate, the whole of the Army could be micro-chipped by 2010.

Col. M. W. Jones, late RRW, told Soldier: " The chip, which is implanted in the neck, would have many uses, one of which would be to replace the current ID card. This would protect the identity of those in the Armed Forces and prevent lost ID cards falling into the wrong hands."

Every military base would have a facility to "swipe" military personnel in and out of bases, operational theatres and so on.

It would make the introduction of the Pay As You Dine Scheme much easier, allowing mess staff to swipe soldiers as they passed the hot plate. It is estimated that savings in time and administration of the PAYD scheme alone could in one year pay for up to three additional Challenger 2 main battle tanks or 27 single living accommodation upgrades.
"A continual database would show the whereabouts of every serving member of the Armed Forces, giving commanders much greater control on the battlefield," said Col Jones.

"We could "swipe" casualties to get their medical records, blood group or next-of-kin. There would no longer be a need for an individual's documents to be carted around the world."

All relevant information would be held in the neck chip. "Guinea pigs" say this process is virtually painless. A red patch over the site of the implant fades within days and there are said to be no long-term side effects.

There is, however some concern that individual freedoms might be compromised by the Army Personnel Rationalisation Individual Listings (APRIL) scheme, which could also allow the monitoring of troops during off-duty periods.
Anyone fitted with a micro-chip who takes unofficial leave, for example could rapidly be traced at home or abroad.

A purpose-built "stealth" or "switch-off" mechanism for the chip is being developed so personnel would become "invisible" when on leave, AWOL or posted to Special Forces units. This would effectively divorce them from the central electronic records management system (ERMS) located in Glasgow.

Certain trades, including some REME personnel who come into contact with powerful electro-magnetic fields, which distort micro-chip memory, are likely to be exempted.

If phase one of the trial - inevitably dubbed APRIL 1 - is a success, a second phase will take the project into the high street, allowing a soldier to be swiped when visiting a theatre, cinema or restaurant. Major supermarket chains, which have already invested heavily in sophisticated bar-code readers, are understood to have asked the MoD to keep them in the picture.
Servicemen and women of the future may opt to be swiped as they leave a retail outlet, with their bill being automatically debited against a personal bank or building society account.

It is anticipated that an added bonus is likely to be the ease with which product loyalty and reward points could be accumulated.

Also creating a frisson in the scientific world, Soldier has been told, is the area of inter-personal communications linked to micro-chips. Boffins are trying to establish if cell phone technology can be made to interact with a chip implanted in the lobe, bringing the proverbial "word in your ear" closer to reality.
 
 
000
19:17 / 22.07.01
Ganesh

quote:Do you know the way to San Jose?

Would you like to show me?

Or do I call Dion?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:19 / 22.07.01
Old news. 10 years old in fact, they were thinking of doing this during the Gulf War except then it was barcodes on hands or foreheads, 6 6 6 again...
 
 
000
20:27 / 22.07.01
That is absolute true the matter idea is old news and its even older than 10 years, 17 years to be exact. But that is not the point.
The point is this;
The whole of the Army could be micro-chipped by 2010.

The army stands for the people the whole stands for the world.
By 2010 means that they will start in 2002,and will offer it to the people by 2004 meaning that most of the people will be tagged by 2007 ensuring the royals safety by 2008 = 1984 and some more.

And this;
The chip, which is implanted in the neck, would have many uses, one of which would be to replace the current ID card.

Read the MANY USES carefully, they are not telling you what the many uses are just what some of these uses are

And this;
This would protect the identity of those in the Armed Forces.
Meaning that these soldiers will be able to kill safe without fearing for there live, and that the people will not be able to protect a victim by kidnapping such a soldier( is just an example) they would always be able to find you trough him.

And this;
It would make the introduction of the Pay As You Dine Scheme much easier, allowing mess staff to swipe soldiers as they passed the hot plate. It is estimated that savings in time and administration of the PAYD scheme alone could in one year pay for up to three additional Challenger 2 main battle tanks or 27 single living accommodation upgrades.

Now how much do you think they would make, if they could get it in your necks, think again its more than you can imagine for it does include way more than just money.
What they are telling you is that the money will disappear, no more money in your hands.
The absolute devaluation of all currencies and the euro will usher it in.
And if you don’t accept the chip/pearls, you will have no fake money in your personal account and this means that you will not be able to buy anything at all.
They will get this chip implanted trough their PAYD SCHEME, they are actually telling you what they are doing. Most people will think this to be the absolute heaven, no more wallets, creditcards,banking hassels etc

And this;
"A continual database would show the whereabouts of every serving member of the Armed Forces, giving commanders much greater control on the battlefield,"

Them pulling your string literally. Commanders= the corporate ‘governments’ alien friends. The battlefield stands for planet earth. And serving member means he/she with a pearl in their neck.The flock their sheep.

And this;
If phase one of the trial - inevitably dubbed APRIL 1 - is a success, a second phase will take the project into the high street, allowing a soldier to be swiped when visiting a theatre, cinema or restaurant.

First its needed to test in close surrounding to see if anybody noticed that the soldier is getting messages to behave in certain ways.
Then its needed to find out how much the soldier noticed it.
Then they need to know how quick the person can be brought to a stand still and not do anything anymore of his own free will, there can be no free will when you are controlled.
And when all goes well they will do the same in the streets, they will probably let some soldiers kill and rape and some more and see how they will react and if they will remember.
If soldier wakes up without remembering anything than it a success and will it be brought as soon as possible in the mainstreams neck or wrist.
With a chip in your neck we talk control.

And this;
Major supermarket chains, which have already invested heavily in sophisticated bar-code readers, are understood to have asked the MoD to keep them in the picture.

The food industry. hello anyone awake?

Swiped = to make a sweeping blow or motion.
Example = The cat swiped at the dog's nose
 
 
Ganesh
20:36 / 22.07.01
['sleep' talking] Well, I think implanted computer chips would be really cool, especially if we can all get blue skin and mohicans too, like in 'Rogue Trooper. [/'sleep' talking]
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
12:35 / 23.07.01
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Laila:
The army stands for the people the whole stands for the world.

In what way? Hell, I could say "I stand for the world, therefore I control!" I win!


By 2010 means that they will start in 2002,and will offer it to the people by 2004 meaning that most of the people will be tagged by 2007 ensuring the royals safety by 2008 = 1984 and some more.


Bzzzt. Faulty. 1984 doesn't have personal tagging IIRC.


And this;
The chip, which is implanted in the neck, would have many uses, one of which would be to replace the current ID card.

Read the MANY USES carefully, they are not telling you what the many uses are just what some of these uses are

And how is this naturally more scary than tracing us through our creditcards/drivinglicenses/medicalcards/ nationalinsurancecards? The sort of people that don't have any of those are the sorts of people that wont get this chip either.


And this;
This would protect the identity of those in the Armed Forces.
Meaning that these soldiers will be able to kill safe without fearing for there live, and that the people will not be able to protect a victim by kidnapping such a soldier( is just an example) they would always be able to find you trough him.


Whereas at the moment the Army doesn't kill anyone because it's worried that people will find out (Note; This last sentence was sarcastic)


And this;
It would make the introduction of the Pay As You Dine Scheme much easier, allowing mess staff to swipe soldiers as they passed the hot plate. It is estimated that savings in time and administration of the PAYD scheme alone could in one year pay for up to three additional Challenger 2 main battle tanks or 27 single living accommodation upgrades.


And now you are taking the piss. 'Evil Lizards want to take over the world because it gets rid of red tape!' Hell, Labour and Conservatives have been promising this for years! I'm going to vote 'Evil Lizard' at the next election, they will suckyour brains out but they'll also lower tax.


Them pulling your string literally. Commanders= the corporate ‘governments’ alien friends. The battlefield stands for planet earth. And serving member means he/she with a pearl in their neck.The flock their sheep.


Last week I was talking to Jon Ronson and he made the not very original point that the 'Big Evil Trying to Take Over the World' types and the 'Plucky Fighters Against the Evil Overlords' types often have more in common than they would like to admit. Case in point your use of terms like 'sheep' and your belief that anyone not with you has no chance of surviving the coming possible apocalypse.


The food industry. hello anyone awake?


Wide awake thanks.

[ 23-07-2001: Message edited by: The Ungodly Lozt and Found Office ]
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:03 / 23.07.01
I've just been re-reading Weaken The Stronghold (okay, it's been a slow day). I think Laila's gone off the boil a bit since then. Like Steve Martin, it's just not as funny anymore.

Bah.
 
 
000
22:17 / 23.07.01
To all of you, I am sorry that I cant entertain no more. Yes weaken the stronghold was fun, it was mixing reality with deadly serious things, it was needed to open your minds to the absurd.
But now ‘they’ have speed things up and now we don’t have time to play any more.
I have given you some warnings for you will be confronted with all the above and it will all start next year. What happens in the US is also happening in the UK, Holland, Australia. Please stay a bit informed and remember what Hermes is telling you, ( the French translated letter) And if you like it or not you are sedated until you brake free of the chemicals you get inside you trough prepared foods and food products. After the introduction of the euro in the mainstream next year the war in Israel will affect especially these countries, the money will devaluate, masses will be laid-off, the layoffs this year were merely apetizers. They will simulate food shortages. The police forces that will be out on the streets are going to be your worst nightmare. By the year 2003 you will cry wolf. We don’t know how much longer the internet will be easy access like it is today. Most/some of you know each other by now in real life, get addresses from each other. Also pretend that all this is deadly real, how would you defend yourself? What do you think you would do or better can do. Make appointments with friends that if things like this will happen you can be together so you are not alone. Just play the game of what if. If you don’t want to believe me fine and even understandable , but just have some ‘army gear’ in the house. As I said already before; dried fruits that you can store up to 2 years and nuts in shell as well, army boots or mountain boots, flashlight and a radio that runs on batteries and enough batteries, make sure you have a good strong water tight warm coat, a knife, good strong thick leather gloves and real rays protecting sunglasses like the ski sunglasses. And of course a good rucksack.
Start at least if its just because of your condition, to get in better shape, long walks or running, push ups and if possible a fighting sport. And learn a bit about herbs and other things you find in nature that is edible.
I wished it was all fake nonsense, I wished that you could remain living in oblivion, the deadly truth is that it will get worse and worse and worse. And its really no use to play dumb ass and stick your necks in the sand for the sand is been blown away layer for layer. And to does who can remember I have my army of psychics and Ganesh gods thorn was about incest and the book you guys call the bible is a prayer to the god of incest and that is why we have peadophilia.

“If they do not come to themselves A terrible crime will be committed, as at OriĆ«l, and then the auto-suggestion and hypnotism under which they act will be strengthened in other people.

If they do not come to themselves, not only will this crime not be perpetrated but many will be freed from the hypnotic influence which has held them spellbound, or will at least be nearer to such emancipation

“If even a few come to themselves and refrain from taking part in this affair and boldly point out to others the wickedness of it, the influence of those few may result in all the rest shaking off the influence of suggestion that oppresses them, and the intended atrocity will not be committed.

If even just a few people who are not taking part in that affair, but are merely present at the preparations for it or have just heard of such things being done in the past, would boldly and plainly express their detestation of those who participate in such affairs and point out to them all the senselessness, cruelty, and wickedness of such acts, instead of remaining indifferent, even that would not pass without some effect.”
Tolstoi

It has been fun with you guys, see others have said let this board pass, not all on barb are sincere and some of you are snitchers and work for the government. I am sorry kids but this is the truth.
I still wanted to crack this nut and to my surprise not all shells were hard. Its good enough for me that I have reached those who I needed to reach and when its time some of you will go damn and still make the right choice, for now you kids in the UK, better get used to your new government, your less freedom and more poverty for if you guys think you know it by now it will give you a new meaning by 2003. Don’t fight each other out on the streets, but work together for all the common people, no matter what race, you all have the same enemy.

I have done my part at this board and for now I bid farewell, for I must walk on.

Ask not your neigbour what he would do, but show him how to do it yourself.

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Ganesh
22:36 / 23.07.01
'Gods thorn'?!

Goodnight and Gods bless, Laila.
 
  

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